"Is it rolling, Bob?": aka the 2008 P&J/Idolator trolling thread

get those eyes scanned - bloated basic trad rock n roll at 6

06. (04 ) 71,84 - 80,92 (25 ) The Hold Steady ´Stay Positive´
EU : 11. 70,14 - UK : 04. 75,51 - US : 06. 70,80 - MC : 85

mega-critic methodology is what i refer as the critical mainstream

ABOUT ´MEGA-CRITIC´
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/820019

ABOUT ´MEGA-CRITIC´

INTENT :

´MEGA-CRITIC´ ARE THE UP-TO DATE CHARTS OF THE RUNNING YEAR´S BEST REVIEWED ALBUMS. THEY ARE PUBLISHED EXCLUSIVELY HERE IN THE ´ACCLAIMED MUSIC FORUM´ AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MONTH.

SOURCES :

THE CHARTS ARE CALCULATED ON THE BASE OF 26 SOURCES IN 3 REGIONS :

EUROPE / DAGBLADET (NO) - EXPRESSEN (SW) - GAFFA (DK) - HUMO (BE) - MONDOSONORO (ES) - MUSIK-EXPRESS (GE) - NOJESGUIDEN (SW) - PLATTENTESTS (GE) - ROCK&FOLK (FR) - SPIEGEL (DE) - SVD (SW)

UK / DROWNED IN SOUND - GUARDIAN - MUSICOMH - NME - OBSERVER MUSIC MONTHLY - Q - UNCUT

US / COKEMACHINEGLOW - PITCHFORKMEDIA - POPMATTERS - PREFIX - ROLLING STONE - SLANT - SPIN - TINYMIXTAPES

no, i noticed that. i meant they hadn't been mentioned on this thread prior to that post. obviously they still get lots of love, just not much from around these parts i guess.

xp

Pitchfork's 50 Highest Rated Albums of 2008
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/kenyon330/pitchforks_50_highest_rated_albums_of_2008

x-post Like metacritic he arbitrarily uses only certain critics.

I guess those are the mega critics (r'n'b, hiphop and other non-rock sources need not apply). Ho-hum.

hahah, no mention of the Hold Steady album yet. oh, how the mighty have fallen. it's a really good record, tho.

― Ioannis, Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:02 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hold Steady will do well. I don't know why you have to hear someone say it.

The Bon Iver and Fleet Foxes both seem pretty thin to me.

Ashton Shepherd is the lone country choice on Sasha Frere-Jones album list on his blog.

Actually he's also got Taylor Swift at #6, though for all I know he added her today, after I mentioned her upthread. (Album's still not out yet, I don't think.)

And duh, Opeth could be the token metal placer. (And Alejandro Escovedo could be the big alt-country album, despite having no country per se' on his album.)

Also, I've never cared about them myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if My Morning Jacket finish high, with lots of support from daily paper critics in flyover country.

Chinese Democracy in Top 10?

I could see Chinese Democracy placing in the top 10, assuming it's not awful. Taylor Swift also sounds like a good chance to be the token country album and re: Kathleen Edwards upthread - she's on my top 10 list.

There's still a Fall Out Boy album coming out, and they did well on the Singles list last year IIRC? Also, I figure Adele's single charts well, and didn't the Stephen Malkmus album come out this year? That seems like a good shot for top 20 at least. As for #1, I really wouldn't be shocked with Vampire Weekend taking it.

Quick Q about Paper Planes - how does that qualify for this year? Is it because it was used in Pineapple Express? Wasn't it a single in 2007?

year of widest impact rule + the previous polls' carryover votes (as Chuck already mentioned).

songs that broke this year but aren't from this year are eligible, FWIW. take "Rehab"--got some UK votes last year, will likely get non-UK votes this year. perfectly OK.

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― Matos W.K., Sunday, December 9, 2007 10:13 PM Bookmark

joemc, aren't you asumming that it will be actually released?

"Paper Planes" peaked pretty high on last year's lists (#6 on P&J, #3 on Idolator), so it would probably take a lot of critics willing to vote for it 2 years in a row to get it high on this year's lists.

There's still a Fall Out Boy album coming out, and they did well on the Singles list last year IIRC?

Not really ("This Ain't A Scene" was I think the top 100, but nowhere near "Sugar, We're Going Down" placing at #30 in '05). Plus they kind of captured the zeitgeist last year and were still only moderately embraced by critics, and I can't see the new album doing as well commercially or critically. Not a factor in P&J at all this year.

What will the two token electronic records be?

Herc And Love Affair, then Lindstrom probably?

do Portishead count?

"Paper Planes" peaked pretty high on last year's lists (#6 on P&J, #3 on Idolator), so it would probably take a lot of critics willing to vote for it 2 years in a row to get it high on this year's lists.

Nah, it would have to be different critics voting for it, not the same critics; votes duplicated that way wouldn't count the second time, assuming the carryover math is done correctly. But I can see a number of older, more mainstream, middle American critics who aren't particurlarly otherwise M.I.A. fans voting for the song this year after hearing it on the radio, plus maybe some hip-hop critics, plus people who voted for the album last year but now think of "Paper Planes" more as a single. It would have to get at least half as many new voters this year for the years' two totals to be added together; not a foregone conclusion, but probably not impossible, either.

dr. phil, I want to know what are your favorite duranguese and banda and norteno cds for the year? You used to (still ?) write about such genres, right?

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:27 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Thanks for thinking of me, but I've really fallen off. Jenni Rivera's album is wonderful, and "La Cumbia del Rio" by Los Pikadientes is sort of conceptually wonderful in an "A Milli" way, but that's all I got.

ah, OK, thanks for clearing that up. and to answer your question from earlier, no, I don't think "Swagga Like Us" was really liked enough to be a factor in these polls.

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"Paper Planes" has felt to me like a bona fide 2008 single. In 2007, it still felt like an album track.

This is a pretty stinky year for music. Especially disappointing after a very strong 2007.

hopefully Chinese Democracy will more than make up for the year's deficiencies. ;^)

dr. phil, are you formerly "unperson"?

This is a pretty stinky year for music. Especially disappointing after a very strong 2007.

every fucking year we got this nonsense

Dr. Phil is not Unperson.

ok, thx

Was wondering about token metal/hard rock finishers, too: Harvey Milk? Made Out of Babies? Metallica?? Guns N Roses???

― xhuxk, Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:14 PM (2 days ago) Bookm

I'm betting Made Out of Babies. "Weird" without being too weird, which the others can't really claim. Or maybe I've just heard the Harvey Milk too many times.

I don't get Chuck's "all hipsters like Made Out Of Babies" thread from a while back. The only hipsters I know that like them are, like, me and skot. none of the hip mags or BLOLGS cover them really that i've seen...

My bets for top ten (no order): H&LA, VW, TVotR, Wayne, Badu, Foxes, Portishead, Kanye?, Santogold?, Hold Steady?, Bad Seeds?, Randy Newman in token fogey slot?

kanye won't come out in time

the only competition for wayne are badu and tvotr in albums and maybe "blind" for singles

there isn't a pop song that's going to crossover "umbrella" style more than "a milli" and there isn't an indie song that's going to galvanize like "all my friends"

i don't see how "a milli" doesn't win this year

maybe vampire weekend for albums but i think they are too handicapped by haterz to break out of the 3-5 range

xp Really? I've seen a lot of praise for it on ILX/blogs, I guess, but I don't see what's so special about it, and it certainly doesn't feel like it had as wide a pop-cultural impact as the last couple of P&J winners ("Rehab," "Crazy").

yeah idk about p&j but i think it will certainly take idolator at the very least by default

i just dunno what else is galvanizing tons of people this year besides wayne and that's his best, big single

This has been a great year for metal, relatively boring year (so far) for rap, and a mildly entertaining year for chart pop.

I can't tell how "I Kissed a Girl" will place. It seems like it is that kind of zeitgeisty pop culture song that often get rewarded in year-end polls (it's merited a SNL parody, for instance), but so many people hate it.

I reckon MGMT will do very well indeed. It's probably the closest thing to a consensus pick for people this year, I hear it absolutely everywhere. Much much much more than Vampire Weekend.

iirc crank dat got one vote in idolator last year xp

yeah i forgot about mgmt

I don't really see where Wayne = default #1 for either format, although I'm sure the album and "A Milli" will place top ten and "Lollipop" will place top 20.

"Crank Dat" got 8 votes in Idolator and placed at #51

I reckon MGMT will do very well indeed. It's probably the closest thing to a consensus pick for people this year, I hear it absolutely everywhere. Much much much more than Vampire Weekend.

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― Tim F, Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:03 PM Bookmark

Is this an Aussie oddity? As far as I know I haven't heard MGMT, where I hear VW about occasionally.

Vampire Weekend plays very well in parts of the critical world that aren't OMG INTERNET STFU NOOB all the time: rockist print guys and newspaper d00ds who are ALWAYS well-represented in P&J

Also, remember that haterz don't really count for anything.

OTM

yeah i guess i meant that i expect that vampire weekend will have lots of 1-5 placements but not a lot of 6-10 ones since most people either really like them or really hate them

ive got nothing to corroborate that assumption obv

Ha ha I hear about Vampire Weekend but never hear them played.

MGMT actually got to number 6 in our national album charts which suggests maybe it is an Oz oddity.

djmartian OTM

djmartian says what we're all secretly thinking

i've never seen quote marks quite like those before. they're not the usual weird euro ones are they?

44. (43 ) 67,65 Toumani Diabaté ´The Mandé Variations´

I got to get this one, although I like him with a band better than solo as on this disc.