Talking in a non-dickish way about the AC Transit fight

Dan, what a depressing link.

I wish there was more social solidarity and far more violence altogether.

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What really depresses me, though you're probably right about them both getting arrested, is that that means that the bus will be held up, commuters peaceably making their way home will be inconvienced, and worse, and I don't want to sound too vigilante here, but the peaceability of public areas policed by decent locals will have been shown to have failed, which is both sad and intimidating.

Shakey, I don't know where you live, but I CAN find you and I will rain down upon you a torrent of, fuck it, French abuse, the likes of which you will not have heard since that one time, oops, anyway, you know which time.

ideally what would've happened here is that some of the other passengers in the back of the bus dissuaded black dude from following crazy white dude to the front - cuz that's really where the line was crossed. but people aren't always amenable to persuasion.

lolz x-posts

Actually, this basically makes me go back to my lazy Commie tendencies and wonder why there's so many people off their meds, so many bad, anti-social, unemployed drunks, so many hopeless kids, so many people whose first impulse is to just strike out. </libtard>

also that link brings up this:

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/img_9386-copy-450x675.jpg

and I'm not 100% sure that's how I want ppl organizing/carrying their similarly shaped weaponry

yeah that's how handcuffed guys on the ground get shot in the head amirite

xxp Because they're unhappy, and they're not going to take it anymore. Whatever "it" is.

Isn't the NYE BART killing case kind of hedging on where his Taser was holstered?

"In fairness, one can be beaten up once and that would be "enough times""

This is Tuomas we're talking about here.

Whatever "it" is.

That always turns out so well, though, no?

hedging

do you mean "hinging"? what is it with you today!

I'm not 100% sure that's how I want ppl organizing/carrying their similarly shaped weaponry

this is OTM time a bazillion

is public transportation in oakland that much worse than in nyc in terms of public safety? genuine question

do you mean "hinging"? what is it with you today!

Drinks at lunch I had a bit of an 'altercation' on MUNI at lunch.

So many white people seem to see this as "Thank god an innocent, harmless white person finally stood up to menacing crazy black people" - as though they perceive themselves as under constant siege from black people. (That in itself I would guess is largely a result of media rather than experience).

^^^ The thing giving me the most pause out of the whole several threads re this incident.

is public transportation in oakland that much worse than in nyc in terms of public safety? genuine question

do cops bring assault rifles onto buses in NY? cuz I have seen this happen on AC Transit

Laurel's got a good point. Once it ceases to be white/black, and let's put ourselves in the shoes of a middle-aged black lady, it's just about whatever out-of-control asshole is going to ruin your commute today.

is public transportation in oakland that much worse than in nyc in terms of public safety? genuine question

I haven't really spent too much time in the in the bronx or east brooklyn, but I tend to feel safer on nyc transit than east bay (or sf) transit - even in nice parts of the bay area the transit is surprisingly sketch

I feel plenty safe on SF transit now that I don't ride the 9 anymore - but even on that nothing really bad happened to me, per se. I did witness some sketchy shit.

I don't even know what my point is! But that point is making me think baot some things.

primarily involving people off their meds + teenagers

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this is partly due to way more middle-class people owning cars in the bay area xp to myself

My buses/trains are mostly fine, 6, 71, MUNI to Church but I feel safer in NYC, even late at night.

"In fairness, one can be beaten up once and that would be "enough times""

This is Tuomas we're talking about here.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That's a little not-non-dickish

Did NYC pass a watershed moment when it became "sometimes sketch, mostly adequate" sometime during the Giuliani administration? I have heard stories about sitting next to someone who was knifed silently on the train and the attacker walked off at the next stop and no one noticed until the train lurched and the victim fell over. That was one generation ago (happened to my aunt) and seems like a movie about New York, to me.

Then again, someone in my social cohort was shot at on the G train in mid-Brooklyn back in the mid-'90s.

http://newcentrist.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/goetz-cover.jpg

My aunt lived in NYC in the 70's and it sounded genuinely terrifying. Post Giuliani NYC does have a rep for being safer but also for being duller. Take your pick, I guess. I thought most crime stats boiled down to demographics in the end.

I guess that was a dumb question, huh.

ive never felt threatened on buses or trains in nyc, knock wood

I have actually been threatened by someone on a train in NYC but it was at rush hour so it wasn't all that dangerous but was purely for intimidation/point-scoring.

but as MTA starts getting shittier and shittier and more and more ppl abandon it i imagine it will get sketchier and sketchier. right now even at weird hours im rarely the only person in the subway station or on the train.

I see WAY more cops in nyc than I do in sf/east bay

http://chasness.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/death_wish.jpg

You're commute sounds heroic, iatee

luckily nypd is stopping and searching more and more black people every year, for your safety

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/stop_frisk_record_voNoD2KGtU2a2otqGTPgDO

ya I wish they would just merge bart and mta :(

Once someone takes a swing at you and you decide to fight back, that's no time to start pulling your punches or worrying about 'going overboard' - you fight until the other guy no longer poses a threat.

― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:55 PM (1 hour ago)

is this what you really believe?

I see WAY more cops in nyc than I do in sf/east bay

given the remarkably assholish track record of both SF and Oakland's PDs I'm not sure I really wanna see any more cops on Muni tbh. Like Mike White, I kinda wish the general populace was a little more assertive about (non-violently) policing themselves...

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Not so promising

sorry i know it's been an hour and a half or whatever but damn

I don't think you can afford to get into fights if that isn't what you believe! Starting fights without having the will to finish them seems like the definition of getting your ass beat a lot.

I'm agnostic about SFPD on MUNI. Not agnostic about OPD, Shakey.

i get what milo is saying but he probably could have phrased it in a way that didnt make him sound like such an aggro hardman

Once someone takes a swing at you and you decide to fight back, that's no time to start pulling your punches or worrying about 'going overboard' - you fight until the other guy no longer poses a threat.

― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:55 PM (1 hour ago)

is this what you really believe?

― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:17 PM (57 seconds ago)

I haven't been in a fight since 9th grade and it seems like sound reasoning to me.

when i lived in SF in 2004 i took MUNI a lot and never really felt threatened, unless im not remembering well. but i also wasnt out until weird hours of the morning

Starting fights without having the will to finish them seems like the definition of getting your ass beat a lot.

^^^, with the caveat of also including not knowing when to flee/avoid fights where you cannot/will not prevail

given the remarkably assholish track record of both SF and Oakland's PDs I'm not sure I really wanna see any more cops on Muni tbh. Like Mike White, I kinda wish the general populace was a little more assertive about (non-violently) policing themselves...

I think the chances that a noble bay area population will rise up and keep the peace are lower than the chances of the police getting slightly less jerk-y