white guy = crazyblack guy = too aggro for his own good, didn't know when to stop
result = face bashed in
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i mean the motherfucker does at least move up to another area of the bus
― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
is anyone disputing that both guys should have been arrested for assault? how does that work, anyway, if they were both found guilty? would both fines/sentences be the same regardless of who hit who first, who hit who the most, etc?
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
having witnessed a number of these kinds of altercations on public transit there's really nothing you can do besides shake your head at all the free-floating, misguided aggression out there. people are stupid, what can ya do.
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Looks to me like Motherfucker knew he was about to lose it and tried to de-escalate before he started the physical confrontation.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll dispute that both should have been arrested. I don't think either should, really, but if anything the first to punch goes to jail.
But I dunno, I've occasionally worked the door at a shady club for a couple of years now and there's a small tussle just about every weekend. I'm probably more at peace with fighting because of it - dudes of all ages and races are stupid and aggro and this kind of shit will always happen.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2010/02/17/how-should-the-sfpd-deal-with-somebody-like-epic-beard-man-thomas-bruso-tasers/
― velko, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/4364045941_acf02a6531_o.jpg
amazing this dude is famous for just being an asshole on the bus
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean like with a track record and documented history and everything
“Back in 1996, I was working at the intersection of 2nd & Market. Each and every day the man pictured above would walk by my shop, wave a loaf of sourdough in my face, and scream obscenities about the San Francisco 49′ers.”
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm 100% I've seen this guy btw
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
100% certain that is
milo, what's your point? that because it happens all the time, that nothing should be done about it?
Once someone takes a swing at you and you decide to fight back, that's no time to start pulling your punches or worrying about 'going overboard' - you fight until the other guy no longer poses a threat.
how can you watch the video and honestly say that motherfucker didn't fight past the point of non-motherfucker not being a threat? by my count i can see motherfucker land exactly 11 punches, those are the ones that we see before the camera starts jostling around anyway, and then when the camerawoman regains focus, motherfucker is kicking (and punching?) the guy while he's restrained on the ground.
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Not shocked he's a Raiders fan, tbh.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the MF guy was probably more-or-less in the right at the end, I'm just not so quick to think he's a hero in this situation and I think it's pretty o_0 that so many people think of him as one. Calls to mind the end of Taxi Driver in a small way.
― pithfork (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - I think they should be removed from the bus and treated for injuries, and if either wants to press charges then you can talk about arresting people. But yeah, it happens all the time, and it's not that big of a deal.
As to when you stop, that's a function of adrenaline and regaining your focus. It's much less likely for a drunk guy or a crazy old guy to regain their composure after a punch or two (this is, again, why you shouldn't pick fights with crazy old men. Or drunk guys.) - and I didn't see Motherfucker stop for a minute and then continue beating. He moves to get away when he appears to realize the fight is effectively over.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
so I watched it through to the end this time and jesus christ
the girl who filmed this shouldn't have touched that dude's bag
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Carles weighs in on most important aspect:http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/02/keut-hipster-girl-watches-white-guy-beat-up-black-guy-on-public-bus.html
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
xxpost light scuffles at shady clubs every other weekend might not be too big of a deal, but c'mon bloody fistfights on public transportation in the middle of the day? it's totally different.
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link
can't wait for the hipsterpuppies take
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Why is it different? Because members of the public saw it in broad daylight?
http://www.ktvu.com/news/22586811/detail.html
apparently the point is that riding the bus in Oakland is akin to going to a shady nightclub every other weekend, according to residents in Oakland
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:12 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
she also shouldn't have been encouraging non-mf to kick mf's ass
― SHORTS? seriously? fuck off. (ojo), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link
that wasn't her, that was one of her friends; she was the one saying "it's not worth it, blood"
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Assaulting bystanders is obv never acceptable and gets the cops called on you even in shady nightclubs, fwiw
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
keut hipster girl is ultimately responsible for this whole thing btw, all clearly inciting alpha male violence in an attempt to win her affection
why are nightfights at bars and dayfights on a bus different? because there are about 1,000,000 movies that feature bar brawls and only one movie with a busbrawl - SPEED starring the lady from THE BLIND SIDE ('95)
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
oops i mean SPEED ('94)
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
yep. Oakland is fucked up.
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Caveat: I haven't and can't see this at work
As a square-looking middle-aged white guy, I am as sensitive as anybody to the threat of black-on-white aggression in public transport as any white guy out there; I don't even bother taking the bus home from work anymore (preferring the MUNI train) 'cause of all the (mostly) black kids smoking pot at PM, rowdily, noisily (and, frankly, just like me at their age, except for the weed-smoking and threats of violence, many of which are attention-seeking and mere provocation). However, it IS public transport and I'm not so omphaloskeptic nor so 'relativist' as to think that, when it comes down to real danger or real social harm, I wouldn't help a driver, a fellow passenger, or my normative view of behavior in public to intervene; I've helped 'escort' racist or homophobic passangers off the bus, when necessary. There is nothing funny about people (as Kant would put it) treating others as mean, about them making facile judgements about someone else based on the accident of their race as opposed to their behavior.
What particularly saddens me is that, in this bad economy where people are in bad straights, it is increasingly frequent to see class, and racial and gender and orientation conflicts rise to the fore AND to see an increased tendency to resort to violence. People thrying to frighten other people based on their race or people responding thereto in a way that implicates uninvolved people are ignoble swine. I'm mostly fine with a dick getting his come-uppance but I don't find it particularly funny; if you're comforted by righteous violence, okay I get it, but I wish there was more social solidarity and far more violence altogether.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
from previous thred:
"I've been beaten up enough times in my life"
I'm not shocked by this revelation, but not sure it's true either.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:27 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
In fairness, one can be beaten up once and that would be "enough times"
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
In an instance like this where both participants are dicks, really the only way for them both to get their comeuppance is if both of them are arrested.
inappropriate chuckle at "people are in bad straights" typo
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan, what a depressing link.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I wish there was more social solidarity and far more violence altogether.
hardman Michael White
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
What really depresses me, though you're probably right about them both getting arrested, is that that means that the bus will be held up, commuters peaceably making their way home will be inconvienced, and worse, and I don't want to sound too vigilante here, but the peaceability of public areas policed by decent locals will have been shown to have failed, which is both sad and intimidating.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Shakey, I don't know where you live, but I CAN find you and I will rain down upon you a torrent of, fuck it, French abuse, the likes of which you will not have heard since that one time, oops, anyway, you know which time.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
ideally what would've happened here is that some of the other passengers in the back of the bus dissuaded black dude from following crazy white dude to the front - cuz that's really where the line was crossed. but people aren't always amenable to persuasion.
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
lolz x-posts
Actually, this basically makes me go back to my lazy Commie tendencies and wonder why there's so many people off their meds, so many bad, anti-social, unemployed drunks, so many hopeless kids, so many people whose first impulse is to just strike out. </libtard>
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
also that link brings up this:
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/img_9386-copy-450x675.jpg
and I'm not 100% sure that's how I want ppl organizing/carrying their similarly shaped weaponry
― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that's how handcuffed guys on the ground get shot in the head amirite
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp Because they're unhappy, and they're not going to take it anymore. Whatever "it" is.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't the NYE BART killing case kind of hedging on where his Taser was holstered?
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
"In fairness, one can be beaten up once and that would be "enough times""
This is Tuomas we're talking about here.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Whatever "it" is.
That always turns out so well, though, no?
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
hedging
do you mean "hinging"? what is it with you today!
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not 100% sure that's how I want ppl organizing/carrying their similarly shaped weaponry
this is OTM time a bazillion
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
is public transportation in oakland that much worse than in nyc in terms of public safety? genuine question
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Drinks at lunch I had a bit of an 'altercation' on MUNI at lunch.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
So many white people seem to see this as "Thank god an innocent, harmless white person finally stood up to menacing crazy black people" - as though they perceive themselves as under constant siege from black people. (That in itself I would guess is largely a result of media rather than experience).
^^^ The thing giving me the most pause out of the whole several threads re this incident.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link