show etiquette

Sorry anagram. Misread which post I was replying to.

I was not going to ruin it for him by making him be quiet. That he had paid for his ticket and he intended to savour every minute however he chose.

This level of selfish asshattery just boggles my brain. What a frightful human being.

At most other events (theatre, cinema, etc), you'd be able to get an attendant to give them them "you're spoiling it for other patrons" warning, but when faced with that kind of gibbering selfishness I doubt even that would work.

The biggest problem for me is that the talking itself is super distracting, then yr own irritation adds to this, THEN one's indignance and rage takes over with a final result that you're completely removed from the moment of enjoying the music, and it can take an age to get back into that mindset EVEN IF the yapping fuckwit does shut up when asked to. Which they rarely do, ime.

Last year I went to see Neko Case at a seated show, and one girl in the audience was yelling shit loudly at the stage after every song -- nonsense stuff like "Neko, I want to have your baby!" to which Neko rightly responded with, "Uh, I think you're a little confused" -- until Neko finally asked her to please not ruin it for everyone else. Audience girl then called her a bitch, so Neko stopped the show and asked security to remove her, to thunderous applause.

There was a pretty classic discussion about this here several years ago, btw, but no phrases I'm putting into the search engine ("Talking At Live Shows," etc.) are turning anything up. Maybe it was just part of a bigger thread, I'm not sure, but somebody else can find it. Definitely also delved into the phenomenon of tall people standing in front of short people at shows, fwiw.

Tall people look over the heads in a crowd and go "Oh look there's a hole in the crowd, nobody there!"

So they go into the spot, and see it's populated by shorter people.

And then go "oh. Oh well, it's better than over there" and STAY!

The guy in front of you who insists on taking camera phone photos the whole time is just as annoying. I once had to watch an Animal Collective show through the camera of the jerk in front of me because it was packed and I couldn't move.

Also annoying to stand near: the freaky dancer.

Damn hippies.

Dealt with to some extent on this thread (but apparently there was an earlier one that talked about it more, because I mention it here too):

people who doesnt like to go to shows , although they love music, and live in a place where it's available - c/d?

Last year I went to see Neko Case at a seated show, and one girl in the audience was yelling shit loudly at the stage after every song -- nonsense stuff like "Neko, I want to have your baby!" to which Neko rightly responded with, "Uh, I think you're a little confused" -- until Neko finally asked her to please not ruin it for everyone else. Audience girl then called her a bitch, so Neko stopped the show and asked security to remove her, to thunderous applause.

I actually really enjoy between song heckling, especially if it's at all witty. Though maybe this girl was just more obnoxious than anything. But if I could be disappointed in Neko case and her fans, if that were at all possible, I might be after reading this.

I hope I never attend a show with you Master Jim. Between song heckling is almost never "witty".

And even if it is, you have to choose your marks. For one thing, you don't do it after every song. For another, Neko Case?

kinda disagree

"you don't rock" and "play the hit" were two of my favorites

when i go to a lot of shows i start to see a lot of the same people, 'specially if it's a trendy act in a small venue. i have sympathy for the idea of concerts as just an extension of your social life. but you should be nowhere near the front and respectful of listeners and if you're a ligger talking loudly i'm not sure i'd step in to save you if it led to your being beaten viciously.

I'm not saying it can't be witty, but nine times out of ten the heckler thinks he or she is 1,000,000 times more witty than they actually are.

Pretty glad I didn't go to the Girls show at teh Blue Note last night tbh

Though I would have liked to see Smith Westerns

One of my favourites concerns Bono on stage at a famine relief concert, whether true or not I don't know nor care.
There he is standing centre stage between songs and he starts clicking his fingers every 3 seconds and he starts his sermon:
"Everytime I click my fingers someone in Africa will die of starvation". He continues to slowly click his fingers to the silent crowd.
Cue heckler:"Well stop clicking your bloody fingers then!"

hahaha

xxp

there was no one there & everyone looked to be 18-20

smith westerns were really rad

I figured, with the weather and all. If I was going anywhere it would have been to the DIY show on Orr street to see my friends. The fact that no one was there and they were being really loud makes it worse. The Blue Note is so depressing when it is empty.

Pretty used to being surrounded by 18-20 year olds.

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/bono.asp

whether true or not I don't know nor care

congrats

PaulTMA, why do you hate fun?

sarge u were in the right they were in the wrong

i almost got beat up at a gwar show in like 96 cuz dudes were trying to start a pit by the back bar

Way to rain on my parade, Paul. :'(

Don't worry ilxor, I'll tell it to my friends as if it were true.

Oh, I rarely heckle myself. But I do enjoy it. Not if its overdone, true. But I like the way it deflates the typical show dynamic a bit. My favorite example, I guess, is at the end of some bands set and before they went offstage to wait out the inevitable encore, some guy yelled "play another song you fucking faggots!" Admittedly not witty, but it made me laugh. Now that I think about it, I only really like it when there's a roomful of people all rapt over some sensitive soul up there sharing their intelligence and genius or whatever. I like seeing that deflated.

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this is how it's done
http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/files/2009/02/soybomb.jpg

I think the thing is also that what even constitutes heckling or rude behavior at a show is going to depend a lot on the type of show it is. Like say a punk show and an indie show and a metal show and a jazz show are going to have totally different norms of behavior. Heckling is funniest at the indie show, and most obnoxious at the jazz one.

some guy yelled "play another song you fucking faggots!

Anyone that laughed at this is a disgusting savage imo.

Heckling is funniest at the indie show

Everything is funniest at indie shows. Indie music is funny music.

Admittedly not witty, but it made me laugh.

typed with all the pride of a man boasting about the size of his last turd.

I only really like it when there's a roomful of people all rapt over some sensitive soul up there sharing their intelligence and genius or whatever.

yeah god forbid people go to shows to appreciate and enjoy artists they admire.

tell you what'd be funnier than "play another song you fucking faggots" - punching "mister jim" in the face

sometimes a man boasting about the size of his last turd is pretty funny

i think ur wrong there

or just have a really low bar for "funny", whichever

a good heckle is shouting count-offs right before a band is getting ready to start a song like "1-2-3-4!" my friend got a band to "false start" two times in a row...that's stuck in your lizard brain as a musician, it's hard not to

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my favorite heckle from another ILM thread was to shout "one more song!" after the band's first song

So can I safely conclude that the best way to get to the front of any show now is to take a $2000 camera lens with me?

The entire front row at the School Of Seven Bells show last night consisted of photographers (at maximum I counted 14). And I'm not counting folks with cameraphones either - these were all multi-thousand buck rigs with big lenses, etc. I've never seen that many photographers at a show before (outside of like of something like U2 or the Stones) and I had to wonder how many of them were actual music photographers and how many were there just to perv on the Deheza sisters.

Sure photojournalists gotta eat and all that, but why should I give up my place at the front just because you have a camera.

I make it a point to fart near photographers

then again when I'm at a show I fart near everyone

Tori Amos gets a couple of girls ejected mid-song, presumably for talking (comes at 2'28"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8H13XmvstA

Keith Jarrett bawls out a festival audience for taking photos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB9mMABRM0c

SHOREDITCH, LISTEN TO ME

LEARN. SOME. GODDAMN. MANNERS. STFU WHEN YOU'RE BEING SUNG TO. especially when the artist in question (glasser) (fucking awesome btw) prefaces a song with "this is a quiet one" and then has to look really awkward and embarrassed when NO ONE SHUTS UP. this was a sold-out ticket-only affair; everyone in the room had actively decided they wanted to check out glasser tonight. if they decided they didn't want to pay attention to her, the area is not exactly short of bars that they could have FUCKED THE FUCK OFF TO instead. fucking inane cunts! who the hell raised these people? that is what i want to know.

outdoor show last summer and some sad bootlegging bastard sets up in front of me, stands on a MILK CRATE which he had brought to the show so he could videotape it.

i wasn't moving because it was a rare patch of shade and the place was packed shoulder to shoulder.

i brought to his attention that he was blocking my view and the view of many other people as well.

he made clear that he intended to stay where he was and we could all move if we wanted to see.

about four songs in a big mike tyson looking dude told him to pack the fuck up unless he had a press card.

he packed up and then turned and called me an asshole because i had been blasting off REALLY FUCKING LOUD two finger whistles right behind him all show.

we all clapped as he left.

feels good to get that off my chest. thanks ILM....

What's the etiquette when you see a headliner in the crowd before they go on? E.g. is it OK to take pictures with them?

It okay to take pics if they're into it.. Always ask. If they are the slightest bit put off, then forget it. You don't what to fuck with there head space before they go on. But if they are out in the crowd, they have to expect some fanage...

I was amused by audience behaviour at a Dean-Wareham-plays-Galaxie-500 concert last week, where people were more or less shushing people for applauding too much between songs.

probably b/c people are applauding too much for a cash-grab tour on the G500 name/reputation featuring only one of the original band members?

In a combination of the most recent question and original thread purpose, I was at a Guillemots gig a few years ago where the singer started with a quiet solo song and the person next to me carried on talking so I gave her a look. She stopped and apologised, and it turned out she was the bassist.

I am generally in favour of asking people to stop talking but was recently at a (seated) show where the guy next to me reacted in such an over the top and angry way to a small bit of talking that he put me on edge and spoilt the show far more than those chatting.

Steve Howe could totally do the gnarliest version of the Freebird solo you've ever heard, it's Jon who I don't think could pull it off

I don't think Steve is loose enough for the solo. Not that the "Freebird" solo is not tight as hell, but it's as much about feel as it is about precision.

that's why they don't do it, it would take him 2 months to compose the solo note for note but when it was done I bet it would rule

Starship Trooper is Yes's answer to Freebird, or maybe the other way around.

https://www.concertarchives.org/image_uploads/photo/image/672277/large_Chicago_Tribune_Sun__Aug_8__1976_.jpg

Same planet, different worlds

1976?? 77?

Starship Trooper is Yes's answer to Freebird, or maybe the other way around.

Very similar. The codas of both are guitar solos over three chord patterns: Yes is I - ♭VI - IV and Lynyrd Skynyrd is I - ♭III - IV.

Ooh someone knows some theory!

1976?? 77?

1976! Someone taped the Yes set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kquodhaWXqQ