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Stevie ... they were Glaswegians who'd come down to London for the opening night.

ithappens, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

last gig I went to (and I don't get to many these days) featured someone shouting I LOVE THIS SONG! repeatedly throughout about three quarters of the songs. AAAAAAAH.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ah, right. Good job you didn't try and fight them, then. Although, my name's not Stevie. xp

anagram, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sorry anagram. Misread which post I was replying to.

ithappens, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I was not going to ruin it for him by making him be quiet. That he had paid for his ticket and he intended to savour every minute however he chose.

This level of selfish asshattery just boggles my brain. What a frightful human being.

At most other events (theatre, cinema, etc), you'd be able to get an attendant to give them them "you're spoiling it for other patrons" warning, but when faced with that kind of gibbering selfishness I doubt even that would work.

The biggest problem for me is that the talking itself is super distracting, then yr own irritation adds to this, THEN one's indignance and rage takes over with a final result that you're completely removed from the moment of enjoying the music, and it can take an age to get back into that mindset EVEN IF the yapping fuckwit does shut up when asked to. Which they rarely do, ime.

Bill A, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Last year I went to see Neko Case at a seated show, and one girl in the audience was yelling shit loudly at the stage after every song -- nonsense stuff like "Neko, I want to have your baby!" to which Neko rightly responded with, "Uh, I think you're a little confused" -- until Neko finally asked her to please not ruin it for everyone else. Audience girl then called her a bitch, so Neko stopped the show and asked security to remove her, to thunderous applause.

El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty classic discussion about this here several years ago, btw, but no phrases I'm putting into the search engine ("Talking At Live Shows," etc.) are turning anything up. Maybe it was just part of a bigger thread, I'm not sure, but somebody else can find it. Definitely also delved into the phenomenon of tall people standing in front of short people at shows, fwiw.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tall people look over the heads in a crowd and go "Oh look there's a hole in the crowd, nobody there!"

So they go into the spot, and see it's populated by shorter people.

And then go "oh. Oh well, it's better than over there" and STAY!

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

The guy in front of you who insists on taking camera phone photos the whole time is just as annoying. I once had to watch an Animal Collective show through the camera of the jerk in front of me because it was packed and I couldn't move.

Also annoying to stand near: the freaky dancer.

Damn hippies.

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Dealt with to some extent on this thread (but apparently there was an earlier one that talked about it more, because I mention it here too):

people who doesnt like to go to shows , although they love music, and live in a place where it's available - c/d?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 15:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Last year I went to see Neko Case at a seated show, and one girl in the audience was yelling shit loudly at the stage after every song -- nonsense stuff like "Neko, I want to have your baby!" to which Neko rightly responded with, "Uh, I think you're a little confused" -- until Neko finally asked her to please not ruin it for everyone else. Audience girl then called her a bitch, so Neko stopped the show and asked security to remove her, to thunderous applause.

I actually really enjoy between song heckling, especially if it's at all witty. Though maybe this girl was just more obnoxious than anything. But if I could be disappointed in Neko case and her fans, if that were at all possible, I might be after reading this.

Mister Jim, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

I hope I never attend a show with you Master Jim. Between song heckling is almost never "witty".

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

And even if it is, you have to choose your marks. For one thing, you don't do it after every song. For another, Neko Case?

El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

kinda disagree

"you don't rock" and "play the hit" were two of my favorites

when i go to a lot of shows i start to see a lot of the same people, 'specially if it's a trendy act in a small venue. i have sympathy for the idea of concerts as just an extension of your social life. but you should be nowhere near the front and respectful of listeners and if you're a ligger talking loudly i'm not sure i'd step in to save you if it led to your being beaten viciously.

chronicles of ridic (zvookster), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying it can't be witty, but nine times out of ten the heckler thinks he or she is 1,000,000 times more witty than they actually are.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Pretty glad I didn't go to the Girls show at teh Blue Note last night tbh

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Though I would have liked to see Smith Westerns

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

One of my favourites concerns Bono on stage at a famine relief concert, whether true or not I don't know nor care.
There he is standing centre stage between songs and he starts clicking his fingers every 3 seconds and he starts his sermon:
"Everytime I click my fingers someone in Africa will die of starvation". He continues to slowly click his fingers to the silent crowd.
Cue heckler:"Well stop clicking your bloody fingers then!"

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahaha

guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

xxp

there was no one there & everyone looked to be 18-20

smith westerns were really rad

birther blood (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

I figured, with the weather and all. If I was going anywhere it would have been to the DIY show on Orr street to see my friends. The fact that no one was there and they were being really loud makes it worse. The Blue Note is so depressing when it is empty.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Pretty used to being surrounded by 18-20 year olds.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/bono.asp

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

whether true or not I don't know nor care

chronicles of ridic (zvookster), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

congrats

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

PaulTMA, why do you hate fun?

sarahel, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

sarge u were in the right they were in the wrong

i almost got beat up at a gwar show in like 96 cuz dudes were trying to start a pit by the back bar

the dong remains the same (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Way to rain on my parade, Paul. :'(

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Don't worry ilxor, I'll tell it to my friends as if it were true.

Moka, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I rarely heckle myself. But I do enjoy it. Not if its overdone, true. But I like the way it deflates the typical show dynamic a bit. My favorite example, I guess, is at the end of some bands set and before they went offstage to wait out the inevitable encore, some guy yelled "play another song you fucking faggots!" Admittedly not witty, but it made me laugh. Now that I think about it, I only really like it when there's a roomful of people all rapt over some sensitive soul up there sharing their intelligence and genius or whatever. I like seeing that deflated.

xposts

Mister Jim, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

this is how it's done

guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think the thing is also that what even constitutes heckling or rude behavior at a show is going to depend a lot on the type of show it is. Like say a punk show and an indie show and a metal show and a jazz show are going to have totally different norms of behavior. Heckling is funniest at the indie show, and most obnoxious at the jazz one.

Mister Jim, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

some guy yelled "play another song you fucking faggots!

Anyone that laughed at this is a disgusting savage imo.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Heckling is funniest at the indie show

Everything is funniest at indie shows. Indie music is funny music.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Admittedly not witty, but it made me laugh.

typed with all the pride of a man boasting about the size of his last turd.

I only really like it when there's a roomful of people all rapt over some sensitive soul up there sharing their intelligence and genius or whatever.

yeah god forbid people go to shows to appreciate and enjoy artists they admire.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

tell you what'd be funnier than "play another song you fucking faggots" - punching "mister jim" in the face

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

sometimes a man boasting about the size of his last turd is pretty funny

sarahel, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think ur wrong there

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

or just have a really low bar for "funny", whichever

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

a good heckle is shouting count-offs right before a band is getting ready to start a song like "1-2-3-4!" my friend got a band to "false start" two times in a row...that's stuck in your lizard brain as a musician, it's hard not to

the dong remains the same (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 20:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

my favorite heckle from another ILM thread was to shout "one more song!" after the band's first song

99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 05:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

So can I safely conclude that the best way to get to the front of any show now is to take a $2000 camera lens with me?

The entire front row at the School Of Seven Bells show last night consisted of photographers (at maximum I counted 14). And I'm not counting folks with cameraphones either - these were all multi-thousand buck rigs with big lenses, etc. I've never seen that many photographers at a show before (outside of like of something like U2 or the Stones) and I had to wonder how many of them were actual music photographers and how many were there just to perv on the Deheza sisters.

Sure photojournalists gotta eat and all that, but why should I give up my place at the front just because you have a camera.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 3 June 2010 22:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

I make it a point to fart near photographers

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 June 2010 23:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

then again when I'm at a show I fart near everyone

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 June 2010 23:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tori Amos gets a couple of girls ejected mid-song, presumably for talking (comes at 2'28"):

Keith Jarrett bawls out a festival audience for taking photos:

anagram, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

SHOREDITCH, LISTEN TO ME

LEARN. SOME. GODDAMN. MANNERS. STFU WHEN YOU'RE BEING SUNG TO. especially when the artist in question (glasser) (fucking awesome btw) prefaces a song with "this is a quiet one" and then has to look really awkward and embarrassed when NO ONE SHUTS UP. this was a sold-out ticket-only affair; everyone in the room had actively decided they wanted to check out glasser tonight. if they decided they didn't want to pay attention to her, the area is not exactly short of bars that they could have FUCKED THE FUCK OFF TO instead. fucking inane cunts! who the hell raised these people? that is what i want to know.

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Monday, 11 October 2010 23:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

outdoor show last summer and some sad bootlegging bastard sets up in front of me, stands on a MILK CRATE which he had brought to the show so he could videotape it.

i wasn't moving because it was a rare patch of shade and the place was packed shoulder to shoulder.

i brought to his attention that he was blocking my view and the view of many other people as well.

he made clear that he intended to stay where he was and we could all move if we wanted to see.

about four songs in a big mike tyson looking dude told him to pack the fuck up unless he had a press card.

he packed up and then turned and called me an asshole because i had been blasting off REALLY FUCKING LOUD two finger whistles right behind him all show.

we all clapped as he left.

feels good to get that off my chest. thanks ILM....

m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 02:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

What's the etiquette when you see a headliner in the crowd before they go on? E.g. is it OK to take pictures with them?

Asparagus Peee (Leee), Friday, 18 February 2011 04:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

It okay to take pics if they're into it.. Always ask. If they are the slightest bit put off, then forget it. You don't what to fuck with there head space before they go on. But if they are out in the crowd, they have to expect some fanage...

SeanWayne, Friday, 18 February 2011 06:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

no tablets should be a given

i was a downy lad, and twee (stevie), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 19:06 (10 months ago) Permalink

where's peter grant and his heavies when you need them

i was a downy lad, and twee (stevie), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 19:06 (10 months ago) Permalink

Wait, people bring tablets to shows?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 19:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

Hogan's Bluff (wins), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 19:18 (10 months ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

so this fucking drunk asshole muscled his way in between me and this other guy at the front of the stage for Obituary yesterday. being in a less than stellar mood, I refused to budge because I'm tired of being bullied out of my spot. but he kept drunkenly stumbling, yelling in people's ear, and rudely jabbing people. a few times he stumbled into me and I had to shove him to get him to mind his space.

the show starts, and he starts smashing into people (whereas the mosh pit wasn't within 5 miles of where he was - he was thwacking unwitting people). I shoved him hard in anger and he shoved me back and then he crashes into the guy next to me who is HUGE and immediately tells him to fuck off and that he's going to knock his head off.

I walked away because I knew if I stayed there it was going to ruin my show. He wound up crashing into about 4 other people during the night who all told him to fuck off and even Jon Tardy looked at the situation concerned, getting distracted while he was vocalizing.

Not only did the guy not get thrown out, but one of the other dudes there asked us to "leave him alone". Like he was the victim! for being "too passionate" about the music!

between that and the 'press' people who kept shoving past to shoot the show right in front of us (there is no special barricade or anything), it was an aggravating evening that still turned out to be a great show.

I feel like in these seedier, metal or punk venues, these folks who are disruptive and aggressive get seen as "really passionate" about the music so the security/organizers won't address it because they "like their energy". Whereas there was a guy at a show two weeks ago who was outright just PUNCHING people in the moshpit. When he went to crowd surf, nobody caught him and he faceplanted.

I mean I know it's aggressive music and all but unless we're in the designated "fuck shit up" area, unless it's just an accidental surge, we should be free to mind our business, no?

grr.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 7 June 2015 20:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

I feel like in these seedier, metal or punk venues, these folks who are disruptive and aggressive get seen as "really passionate" about the music so the security/organizers won't address it because they "like their energy".

As someone who has been a show organizer/semi-security person at a "seedy" venue -- I don't think it has to do with "liking their energy" -- it's more like they don't want to be like aggro security people at more corporate venues. Was there any security or venue person who could even see what the dude was doing? Unless someone complains or the person is doing something that is likely to bring about actual physical injury to themself or others, it tends to be hands off.

Not to be a dick, but it's kinda part of the experience, just like $7 budweisers in plastic cups are at corporate venues, the asshole jabby oblivious dude is part of the divey metal/punk show experience.

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 7 June 2015 21:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

eh, i dunno? i mean, lots of things are "part of the experience" until they're not, y'know? norms change, it becomes understood that going around just assaulting people isn't cool or passionate or w/e. i guess we've already passed that point, since it sounds like HSB was in the majority in thinking this guy was an asshole. it just hasn't reached the point where you get kicked out for it even at seedy venues. like i think if the guy was setting off an air horn or trying to nail other people in the face with spray paint, he would be kicked out.

maybe i just feel obliged to stick up for riot grrl principles or something. there's a risk that accepting asshole dudes as "part of the experience" is on the continuum towards the show only being welcoming and feeling safe to certain people, or even being outright dangerous to others. i think the hope is that we're on the continuum away from that. like 10, 20, 30 years ago a different, i think much greater(?) quantity of asshole aggro masculine behavior was normal and part of the experience, and now it's not, or less so (?). not trying to say you're just excusing it obv!

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 June 2015 22:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

It may be a part of the experience, but it's one I'm growing tired of.

This guy almost knocked over a husband and wife who were deliberately tucked in the corner to avoid getting clobbered.

Obviously shit happens. When I take a collateral damage hit from a collective surge, I usually laugh about it and wear the bruises as battle scars.

This guy was not even trying to incite a mosh...he was just flailing about like it was his own private space. The lady in question SCREAMED at him and her husband almost swung on him.

Idk like...I often go to shows to throw elbows and don't usually get too up in arms about it but the dude last night just felt....diff I guess.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 7 June 2015 22:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah, if it wasn't bro on bro aggro behavior, I would look on it a lot differently.

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Sunday, 7 June 2015 22:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah that stuff to me is all in good fun (and I like to join in often, less so now that my back is iffy). one of my fav memories was at Repulsion at Maryland Death Fest, going in a pit with guys that outweighed me by 100 pounds, getting flattened, falling in the street, cutting my knee and having blood gush from it, leading to an infection. we all laughed it about like friends afterwards and I wore my field dressing with pride.

can also be a cross-generational bit of fun - I remember starting a pit with a kid 15 years younger than me and although he could run circles around me (I'm out of shape) it was a blast. nice kid too.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 7 June 2015 22:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

between that and the 'press' people who kept shoving past to shoot the show right in front of us (there is no special barricade or anything),

These are even worse than the obnoxious "passionate" guys...

skip, Monday, 8 June 2015 03:59 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

what killed me is one of them didn't have any kind of quality equipment and was getting terrible angles so I'm like 'wtf is this *really* for'?

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 8 June 2015 04:15 (4 weeks ago) Permalink


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