NEW AMERYKAH, POLL 1 (4th World War)

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there are about 3 or 4 tracks tops that sound like they could have been made back then. even then, only amerykahn promise sounds *properly* retro, everything else in that old school soul/jazz/funk vein sounds like its been made recently.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Cell has synths?

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

The wobbly bassline and finger snaps in "The Healer" set an incredibly nice vibe in the room everytime i put this on, so I'm going with that. I must say, I don't really like the first track, though. I think it's a little too aggressive sounding, and seems out of place with the rest of the album.

Dan S, Sunday, 26 October 2008 22:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 30 October 2008 00:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am pretty cool with these results, aside from "Honey" getting shafted

some dude, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah wtf?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

well i'm not saying that's surprising, generally i think people who know an album won't vote for the single in a poll like this even if they like it

some dude, Friday, 31 October 2008 00:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, "Honey" kind of feels like an addendum to, rather than a component of the album.

Gene Amondson (The Reverend), Friday, 31 October 2008 06:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

wtf, people; this is the only thread where we can specifically talk about this album!!?

anyhow, i din't want to sidetrack the whatcha listening to thread any further... so i'll post this here instead:

"New Amerykah makes me think of something Matos told me about Sign O the Times: "You will never get to the bottom of that album." It is the meatiest album I've heard in a long time."

sure. but so what? the main difference between the two, for me, being that SotT has at least ten GRATE songs on it; whereas, New Amerykah... has what esactly??? i mean, i keep waiting for the damn songs to sink in, but it just ain't happening. yet.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

SotT has at least ten GRATE songs on it; whereas, New Amerykah... has what esactly???

11.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

i mean, i keep waiting for the damn songs to sink in, but it just ain't happening. yet.

I don't know how long you've had it, but it took me about 3 months to realize this album's greatness.

The stic.man from the hilarious 'Dead Prez' albums (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahaha--now if only i could remember any of them...

xp

i've had it since March. :(

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 13:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

took me 1 listen

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

well yeah, it sounded good right off the bat for me as well; i just don't get any of this "album of the year" nonsense.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Album of the year nothing. This is an all-timer.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

gah! the love you guys express for this makes me feel like i'm listening to an entirely different album. hey, maybe that's it...

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

i loved Mama's Gun, btw.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's been my experience here on ILX that those most strenuously resisting this album are also those who can't get beyond Mama's Gun (which I love also, but I've moved on).

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

but i'm not resisting it, strenuously or otherwise; it just doesn't seem to want to sink in for me. also, after eight months of trying to “get it”, i figure the problem must be with the album itself, and not with any unwarranted expectations i may have brought to the tale.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Look, if you don't like it, it's all good!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

don't get an aneurysm forcing yourself to like it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

believe me, I felt the same way the first few weeks I was listening to it and not understanding all the crazy praise. I think it clicked one day when I had it on in the car. but yeah, like Alfred said, not worth forcing it if it's not happening.

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha, no. i'm just surprised with all the love it’s been receiving 'round about these parts. for me, it seems like the kind of record people will be denouncing five years (or so) down the line.

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

And won't you be really happy when that happens.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

maybe it will be seen as overblown and slightly embarrassing in place but it's nowhere near as much those things as, say, The Love Below and probably better written and produced than that too.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost Anyway, no need to pull this misunderstood minoritarian act. The anemic results of this poll bear out the fact that you're hardly alone in not being moved by this record.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

just put soldier on your headphones and bop around the streets to it, you'll love it. mmm, telephone, too, when it's early.

schlump, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

no. honestly i'm glad that people reaqlly love it, i just wish i understood why is all. no big deal. this too shall pass.

xxxp

Ioannis, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

anemic? 30 votes for a poll about an album that's only a few months old ain't bad.

xpost

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Everything that falls short of the Now! poll results numbers is pretty anemic to me.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Healer is a highlight but i don't think of it as being as much of a standout as these votes indicate. the main reason it's my year favourite is because i don't think there's a real dip and every track has some distinct value and power thru various means.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

the main reason it's my year favourite is because i don't think there's a real dip and every track has some distinct value and power thru various means.

O! T! M!

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

i did not vote in this poll because i could not choose!

horseshoe, Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

"The Healer" is really just the song that pops into my head when I think about this album.

forkslovetofuk (some dude), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

i now associate 'The Healer' with being at the edge of Lake Brienz in the Swiss Alps. Shit is TRANQUIL.

Thematically it's like a queer-Pipecock (blueski), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

the healer is a huge standout for me.

Jordan, Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

I love the hell out of "The Healer," but I have to admit preference for some of the album's denser, Sa-Ra-ian tracks.

Eric H., Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

love that dilla/sa-ra drunken 8th note thing

Jordan, Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Every time this thread gets bumped, I start humming "The Healer". Sometimes I follow that with "The Cell", but I always default to "The Healer".

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think i voted for 'the cell' or 'soldier' here but it's one of those rare albums which makes such sense in its totality that picking individual peaks feels sort of wrong...what blows my mind is how stellar its components are, but the whole is somehow even more than just the sum of them.

lex pretend, Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I had a bit of a slow uptake, too, but at this point I can't identify an album released this decade that means as much to me. I just posted this in the other thread last night.

yall have no idea how much this record speaks to me... I might even say it feels like its ABOUT me

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:53 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I feel like, amazing new developments aside, this record perfectly encaptures how it feels to be black in america in 2008

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:55 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The album it reminds me most of is Curtis. While the makers of both records are quick to detail our social ills, neither sounds, for even a second, like they don't believe we can overcome them.

― mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:35 AM Bookmark

Another thing is, despite all the social commentary, it's never didactic (not that there's anything wrong with that, I mean Public Enemy were didactic), the whole thing feels so personal at every level.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 22:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

And there are so many easter eggs, lyrically and sonically! I always discover something new when I listen to it. It's a complex motherfucking work. Just about a week ago, I first noticed that "My People" ends with the words "Good morning. Did you have a Dream?" And I capitilize Dream intentionally, because whether she was referring to the American (Amerykahn?) Dream or, I think more likely, MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech, she intends to load the word with more meaning than its M-W definition would indicate.

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah absolutely - i get annoyed when people overuse adjectives like "meaningful" but it absolutely applies to new amerykah in the sense that every word, note, inflection, every last detail in the arrangement is there for a reason, and even the most minute element of it can spark off these chains of thought just like yours

lex pretend, Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, even things in the sequencing. It's no accident that "Me" is followed by "My People". She's already claimed her people as her in the former song. "I salute you [insert your name here] because you are me". It's also no mistake that she goes from grown folks acting all niggerish and not taking responsibility for their kids in "The Cell" to lamenting how those same kids "don't know their language...don't know their god" in "Twinkle" to the epiphany of "wait....what if there were no niggers, only master teachers?"

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

there's some amazingly subtle towards Dilla on the album, too, like how 'My People' is based on the Eddie Kendricks track 'People Hold On' that Dilla sampled on Donuts. There's snippets of Badu singing on Madlib's new Beat Konduktah tape too, which is a Dilla tribute.

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

subtle nods towards

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

The sirens at the beginning of "Telephone" cribbed straight from Donuts!

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

egggggsactly! god, i love this album. i highly reccommend the dil cosby suite album too; its really strangely moving.

slap bass: the ungentle art (stevie), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

dil cosby suite album?

mr. mayan end times guy (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 November 2008 23:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

can i just posit the brother on her floor as the punctum here

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

my brother's sleeping on my floor
a bitch could use a little moooooore

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

horseshoe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink


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