101 reasons why punk sucks

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When released in April 1977, The Clash reached #12 in the UK album charts.

Among the artists who kept the record out of the top ten were Barbra Streisand, Mr Acker Bilk, Smokie and the Muppets.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

I wrote a long intelligent post about a minute ago, but the internet ate it. The basic gist was: punk in it's ideal form didn't suck, but the repercussions of telling untold legions of special-ed students that "anyone can play music" are grievous.

I then found this snippet about the drummer from the Germs (underneath the Fallout Boy piece):

http://www.sdreader.com/published/current/blurt.html

It's the final quote that gets me. He sort of encapsulates the whole spirit of punk right there.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

1. Because it's pop music, but too many of the people who play it pretend it isn't.

2. Because instead of being the bold new revitalization of rock music that it promised to be, it was really just a reductive reaction to the more ambitious rock acts of the time.

post-punk is a different story. But is post-punk just punk music by people who can play their instruments?

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 April 2007 18:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

is no wave post punk

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 19 April 2007 18:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

ts: ilm "debates" on punk rock vs. ile "debates" on gun control

pretzel walrus, Thursday, 19 April 2007 18:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

ts: people posting generalities based on received "wisdom" about shit that happened 30 yrs ago vs. people that have actually been to an actual "punk" show in the last 5 years

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

ts: people using quotes for no reason vs. people actually responding to the thread's title

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

people who say "ts" but know the answer

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

transsexual?

pretzel walrus, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

"people who say "ts" but know the answer"

vs. ?

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

mothra?

actually fake quotes are a bullshit tactic! i shouldn't have used them.

if anything, this thread to me just proves that saying any genre is "dead" or "sucks" is generally wrong...it always seems to me that most of the people that thing [Genre X] is "dead" are people that don't pay attention..like people thing modern country is some sort of vast wasteland, except all the dudes actually discussing it on the rolling country thread or my friend nate who just made me a mix CD of a bunch of good modern (not alt) country doodz that's actually really great....Jazz is "dead" except to everyone freaking out about the new Ornette Coleman record....metal "sucks" except to everyone who actually knows what's going on in the rolling metal thread...

so yep, punk sucks, except there's like 8 million punk bands making music now that DON'T suck and bunches of cool people doing cool things all over the US and around the world. The only punk that sucks is the punk that...sucks...and just ignore that shit and yr fine.

fuck, i just used a bunch more fake quotes, i gotta damn problem with that :(

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

2. Because instead of being the bold new revitalization of rock music that it promised to be, it was really just a reductive reaction to the more ambitious rock acts of the time.

Isn't this a myth too?

In fact, punk was considerably more of a reaction against Stadium AOR than against progressive rock. Plus, to most punk fans, it was first and foremost an alternative to disco.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

"alternative to disco"

I'm sure all those punks would be listening to Sabbath if punk wasn't around, not disco.

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

"In fact, punk was considerably more of a reaction against Stadium AOR than against progressive rock. Plus, to most punk fans, it was first and foremost an alternative to disco."

I consider stadium AOR and disco to both be very ambitious.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

punk isn't a style of music, its a method of production

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

gay

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 02:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

(directed at the thread, not the genre)

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 02:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

punk is gay too, though.

pipecock, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 02:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Only if you're Pansy Division

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 02:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

or any number of other flaming bands. though it is gay in the other bad way, too.

pipecock, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 02:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

I like Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag. Most punk is dull and drunk and thuddy. I prefer taut and sinewy and volatile. In college I used to get annoyed at the cultural hegemony of punk among non-frat white kids, but I went to school in lolJersey.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 03:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Every once in a while I'll throw on ramones first album, dead boys, stooges, germs. It's all dumb fun, and mixes things up from the other stuff I listen to.

filthy dylan, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

I obviously missed this thread (I was out of the country) but I would have said probably a lot of the same stuff I said here:

are there still punks?

I think USA people have a really different experience of current punk subculture because our scene's origins and history are as much 1980 hardcore explosion as 1977 Britain. Also, especially in the peace punk world there have been a lot of feedback loops over the years between scenes. I like hurting's analogy and prefer stuff of a similar stripe, or else weird political peacecore like Crass or Poison Girls.

The house I co-own booked all-ages alcohol-free punk shows for the last six years. We just stopped (not really for any particular reason other than general burnout) although we would still do some shows under very special circumstances. It has been very interesting for me as an older dude (41) to deal with shows involving lots of kids (and their parents! and grandparents! and younger siblings!) and to watch them grow up and find their own voices. The punk experience is in large part what you make of it and it was cool to watch these kids check it out. Lots of frustrations (drunkenness, apathy, boring bands, idiocy, but notably almost no violence) but also rewards (successful benefits for people in prison, great random bands, turning people on to information/history/music).

There are many reasons why it sucks. It still has a lot to offer as history, as music, as philosophy and aesthetics. And perhaps more importantly, it is a potential gateway to a vast world of subculture, some of which might still have something of value to offer in the face of world-blighting commodification.

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

it is a potential gateway to a vast world of subculture

robotsinlove, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, dada, situationism, that whole weird Autonomous Mutant Festival thing, you know.

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 05:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Another reason punk sucks is this horrendous new CD single by Mick Jones and Tony James' new band whose name I will not speak.

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 05:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.amazon.co.uk/1978-Now-Subway-Sect/dp/B000PHVXTA

dan selzer, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 05:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

I was born in 1979

Well, there's your fuckin' problem right there, twerp.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 15 November 2007 00:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah real punks are old and reverent for old music

filthy dylan, Thursday, 15 November 2007 00:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't recall saying that.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 15 November 2007 01:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Has any musical movement had as many books written about it, aggrandising it as some kind of revolutionary force, as punk?

Try Hip Hop.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 15 November 2007 01:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

the idea of not liking genres is sort of weird in itself.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 November 2007 01:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Punk."

Lol @ "hating punk."

roxymuzak, Thursday, 15 November 2007 02:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

a young kid starting a crappy punk band and calling it Minor Threat without having heard of the more famous Minor Threat is way more punk than anything on this thread will ever be.

latebloomer, Thursday, 15 November 2007 02:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

you know what really sucks though? getting ebola

latebloomer, Thursday, 15 November 2007 02:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

you know what sucks brilliantly? bobby joe ebola and the children mcnuggets

roxymuzak, Thursday, 15 November 2007 02:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

I like it.

DustinR, Friday, 16 November 2007 22:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

punk was once an answer to years of crap a way of saying no when we'd always said yep

scott seward, Friday, 16 November 2007 22:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Old punks are starting to become part of the political and media establishment in just the same way as the Baby Boomers have been, and I find their lording it over of popular culture really fucking annoying

ok by this logic the Smiths fans should just be creeping up on us.

oh shit

Thomas, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Punk sucks because we WANT you to hate us! NYEEEEAAAAHHHHH!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

(psyche. I don't care much for anything outside of the Ramones, but I was channeling someone whose voice needed to be heard)

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

This thread blew. He1ge50n was pretty alright.

RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

people thing modern country is some sort of vast wasteland, except all the dudes actually discussing it on the rolling country thread or my friend nate who just made me a mix CD of a bunch of good modern (not alt) country doodz that's actually really great

I'm interested in this^^^
What was on it? Apart from one or two select tracks by Brad Paisley and the Dixie Chicks I've had a rough time breaking away from all the old outlaw stuff and into what's currently going on. Where should I look? (that is if you come back around this thread's way, M@tt)

RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

I am really, really, really bored by most punk rock these days.
I was way into punk in high school, but now so much of it sounds the same, the politics are bland and unconvincing, and the whole thing seems like a lame pose. Also, it's too fast most of the time. And recorded poorly.

ian, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 14:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Most punk is dull and drunk and thuddy. I prefer taut and sinewy and volatile.

There's so much great punk stuff that fits both these bills, new and old. And both can be done badly or, er.... radly. Overall, the points about dismissing shit according to genre pretty much sum things up.

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 14:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost Rabies/Matt..... I've also been curious about which new country stuff is great. I live in the UK, but it seems that many people who consider themselves country fans need to add a disclaimer about '....but none of this slick new stuff etc.'. It seems like one of the most (presumably unfairly) maligned musics out there. Which typically means there's load of great stuff going unnoticed!

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 14:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

wrt new country stuff...most of my experience w/it is from a good friend of mine that only listens to country and he really keeps track of stuff, he doesn't really like "alt country" at all, so it's mostly mid to low level new country dudes from the south....here's the tracklist of a mix he made for me that i really enjoyed, might give you some stuff to seek out (obv a few you've probably heard of but most probably not)

Longfall - Lost Trailers
Out of Here Tonight Great Divide
Jar of Clay - Pinmonkey
Another Six Pack Under - Rick Trevino
Georgia Hard - Robbie Fulks
Hair of the Dog - Shooter Jennings
10 Years Pass - Sunny Sweeney
18 Wheels - Fred Eaglesmith
Empty Seat Behind Me - Chris Wall & Reckless Kelly
30 Years Crazy - Cisco & the Reasons Why
Houston - Doug Moreland
Showman's Life - Buddy Miller
Devil Behind the Wheel - Chris Knight
Really Never Loved Her Anyway - Trent Summar
I Hung My Head - Blue Highway
Vegas - Two Tons of Steel
Calling All Cars - Mike McClure
Different Today - Hacienda Brothers
State Line - Cooder Graw
Whiskey Wings - Dean Miller
Low Down - Hank Williams III

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

30 Years Crazy - Cisco & the Reasons Why

this song is so fucking great i love it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

And recorded poorly.

that's pretty harsh coming from a siltbreeze fan!

Edward III, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

I stumbled across some thrashy punk record label from arizona on myspace recently and friended them. it's fun, like finding a stegosaurus in your rose bush.

Edward III, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 16:08 (5 years ago) Permalink


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