funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

btw this pack of riddims that geeneus has just randomly given away is v much recommended - http://dot-alt.blogspot.com/2010/01/4-classic-geeneus-riddims.html

not sure why i posted that in here when they're grimier but fuck it

those are just old grime tracks.

all classics tho. geeneus is one of the best producers ever.

first things first, big appreciation to you Tim, i'm really enjoying your pieces on funky, and am ever-grateful for all the mixes and track id's you post on this thread.

sorry for the slightly intrusive question yesterday titchy / lex, it was in lieu of launching into what would've been some pretty negative comment but i don't think the discussion around this music needs any more negativity really

to explain all i'll say is that i'm tired of seeing producers getting slated essentially because of the way media outlets are representing or hyping them. clearly that has implications for how i feel writers should be approaching writing about them. i guess at least with that night slugs piece a lot of the talking was done by the producers themselves, so misrepresentation isn't such an issue. also that one of the reasons i enjoy Tim's writing such a great deal is that almost always he seems to reflect on the value of the music or artists in and of itself/themselves, rather than in negative definition against something (which often in the articles i read, is a straw man or at best exaggeration / oversimplification).

yeah the cooly G trax are inoffensive enough but they still feel a bit underdone, like much of skreams stuff which i was never a big fan of either and which by most accounts seem to be getting progressively worse.

"in this case that mates like to cover mates and its strengthens the friendship and so on and so on. hence why bok bok and co have been in xlr8r and the guardian recently. and why marcus nasty and mak 10 have not."

is that the "ends/class" thing blackdown was trying to distance him and his mates from ?

dont care about the ends/class thing blackdown was talking about. just saying that as is obv from reading here or blogs or fact or wherever, people tend to give the spotlight to their mates. hence the coverage you see and who its by. plus people cover the circles theyre into. so if its nightslugs or wherever place for people that dress like twats in hoxton, thats what youll see. but enough about all that. lets get back to moaning about get low still not being released.

Why had I never heard this amazing awesome Major Notes production before now??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcPH5pXGDCw&feature=related

Hard to beat this guy in terms of the sheer quality of his sound, I reckon. Wondering whether he should be my next producer to profile.

just saying that as is obv from reading here or blogs or fact or wherever, people tend to give the spotlight to their mates. hence the coverage you see and who its by. plus people cover the circles theyre into.

xlr8r asked me to do the piece on night slugs, i didnt pitch it. and i agreed that the night deserved to be covered (it is the best clubnight in london, i'm not just saying that cos i know them) so it happened.

ive been trying to do a big interview with marcus for fact for ages, but he changes his number and doesnt answer his twitter and it's not really happened so far.

Luka rightly recommended this dude:

http://soundcloud.com/ossieproducer/

But while his funky stuff is great, his R&B remixes are even better I reckon - lovely and unsettling.

the production on "she got that" is amazing - love that techy/tribal beats + airy euphoric synths - makes me wish more people picked up on the booka shadeisms of "our father". wish the dudes made better use of it though.

have you heard major not£$' cover of "friend of mine"?? it's brilliant (and such a great song to revive). (also, note spelling of major not£$ - not sure if this is how he spells it all the time but i've seen it like this and it's amazing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBZAnvcUJIg

Lex read upthread we've been talking about "Friend of Mine" for ages ha ha. Yes it's amazing, though it took me one or two listens to work out just how much - the beat, the vocal, the lyrics.

The only reason I don't do dude's name properly is I forget how to do the pound symbol on my keyboard and then just putting the dollar symbol seems wrong by itself.

Obv the lyrics are from Kelly Price - I just mean that the package comes together so well here, cheater/heartbreak songs are so great in vocal house.

oh yeah Ossie is great. Set the Tone has been my m.f. jams... soulful in the classic sense.

Broad question, I’d be interested to hear any thoughts...

From interactions, observations or second hand tales, does anyone have a strong idea of why so little of the best funky is making it through to releases?

Not just vinyl but mp3... I know there are more mp3 releases about than it can first appear, but even then there are many anthems and incredible tracks from the last 2 years (or more) that I haven't seen the slightest indication of release for.

Do you think it’s just that there isn't enough money in it unless it’s done in a big way (i.e. itunes + video + publicity), and for the kind of tracks that non-djs would buy? Certainly in the case of vinyl I can well imagine that it’s purely to do with profit margins, given that 12s like Liberty and Pain are still taking up space in record stores all over the place

I guess an obvious place to look is puregrime and leaking, it’s actually a farce how much unreleased material is available on there. So I guess maybe a lot of djs actually play out with these leaked mp3s too

Looking back at that I perhaps overstate the case, when i think about it a fair few of the best tracks have made it out eventually, but nonetheless i think there is something in it

No idea why funky isn't making it out... certainly melodic enough.

A few decent producers but it's not floating my boat in all honesty.... that said if it lightens the dubstep scene I'll be grateful.

to be honest i think itd be better if all the scenes just went their own way. if anything funky is taking the best bits from grime and dubstep more succesfully/interestingly, just cos its still at that developmental stage.

why is it i sometimes read people talking about funky/'the ends' audience like theyre doing some sort of anthropological exercise?

Ha ha go on titchy, what did you just read?

@ titchy - got a better way of explaining how and why these scenes evolve the way they do?

i dont want to get into a slanging match. i have stuff i need to do today without message boarding.

clarkness, i dont, but i dunno, it just seems a bit... stiff? like people are david attenborough watching some buffalo run away from a tiger through the bushes or something. or some national geographic thing.

"@ titchy - got a better way of explaining how and why these scenes evolve the way they do?"

I know the question wasn't for me, but isn't that basically asking "have you got a better way of conducting an anthropological exercise than with an anthropological exercise?"?

If you're talking about scenes, in the sense of something rooted in the social and physical, rather than purely about music, then isn't it inherently anthropological?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fichp4N7Cao&feature=player_embedded

the dancehall crossover/bashment funky is some of my favorite stuff..

geeneus' new mixtape with katy b is awesome - their version of "good life"!! one of those tracks that seems like it was always destined for a funky version http://www.thefader.com/2010/02/04/geeneus-f-katy-b-tippa-mixtape-mp3/

Will check that now!

Meanwhile, this is AMAZING:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=282085926821&ref=mf

Marcus Nasty: "your work rate is FUUUUUUUUUUCKED keep it up you shitta"

that is great yeah.

tell you what else needs a uk funky version - "the key the secret".

AGREED.

might just be being grumpy but that strikes me like it the wrong sort of cheese 4 funky, i dunno...? would just whack the accapella over karizma '33rd street anthem' for the epic vibes myself maybe.

also sum that video up for billy no-facebook over here?

Devine Collective "House Girls Part 6"

part 6?? (did u hear that part 2 with the zombified lollop in the end btw.)

wow that is great, and sampling 'hey hey' already?

woah, what's the first song on that geeneus mixtape? it's amazing!

it's zinc & ms dynamite's "wile out" - video is upthread

my contribution for this evening is
a) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5
b) http://www.myspace.com/unknownstrangerslondonaYJHgf3XY
c)

http://vulive.co.uk/content/2010/01/...y-22-jan-2010/

the last one i think is a really lovely show from the best selector on the scene asa far as im concerned. maybe the worst at mixing....but i can overlook that.... lots of u.s stuff to begin with then it gets deep and dirty...tracklisting included....

http://vulive.co.uk/content/2010/01/31/weeksey-22-jan-2010/

that link got mangled for me but i'm guessing it's this weeksey show yeah?

been meaning to ask what's good on vu these days - i listened to a danny native one a while back and he introed with a seriously random undie rap selection and then once he got into the house he dropped a mf doom funky refix. not good. this has got some good bits on there tho, i liked 'restless native' if memory serves:

http://soundcloud.com/bassmusic/bass-music-mix-14-altered-natives

ahh groove theory is a great vocal to use!! (on that unknown strangers myspace). kinda wish they'd approached it with a bit more 2step finesse mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qf75w

three days left for this month's dose of footloose btw guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7jS9fH4JE&fmt=35

minor distinctions but this new version turns a footnote into a hit imo

aidonia is a such a career biter it almost pains me to say that.

part 6?? (did u hear that part 2 with the zombified lollop in the end btw.

I listened to that radio set and... isn't that just part 1 (although the organ hits seem to be double rather than single) with a short bit of another tune (that sort of lethargic but dramatic tuba synth-bass lurch) at the end? Or maybe not? I'm sure I've heard that lurch bit heaps of times before though, now I'll have to work out if it's always at the end of "House Girls". It sounds a lot like the even-more-lethargic tuba bass in "Tribal Conga" so I assume it's by Devine either way.

i mostly just listen to the weeksey ones off deja becasue all the other shows involve me wading through too much shit and i dont have the time or the patience.
this is the feb 1st one....
http://vulive.co.uk/content/2010/02/06/weeksey-1-feb-2010/
no track list yet but i think there will be soon...

what is a career biter? i like aidonia a lot. hes done a lot of good things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icuk-yraNUo
i like her
i -love- her

how can you argue with that?

DJ Petchy with MCs Topsee & Dream on LiveFMUK 13.02.10

i've only just heard of Petchy but he is so good!! so many amazing tracks and his mixing and cutting is outrageous, within 2 shows he has become one of my favourite djs, no joke. but the mc's i think are very very good also, the vibe they bring between all of them is very very big

i recognised a few tracks but loads i didn't. felt People Keep Dancing for the first time properly, it sounded amazing coming out of the mix

i know that boy petchy.... he is now one of the regulars at soul sure at pacha if you want to see him live. he gave me the first indication of the funky takeover when he sold all his grime records and replaced them with funky in something stupid like 2004.

theres a kano lyric that mentions him too...
'heartless crew and M.A.D tapes grew me...cant forget to big up petchy and scoobee'

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