Mission: Impossible

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Why is it less imaginative to fake out the audience's expectations than to do exactly what you seem to think is expected?

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Its less imaginative because you are giving the audience one moment of satisfaction as opposed to giving them multiple moments of satisfaction. Also, there is a bit of a build up to the moment of "how's he going to pull off the Impossible?", and the payoff is.. "Its done, but you didn't get to see it. quick lets move on." Its a solution, and a clever solution, but one that bugs me.

brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

What guarantees that the heist scene is going to give someone multiple moments of satisfaction?

How are the moments of satisfaction mutually exclusive? Instead of seeing the heist, we get the Asian woman and Raskolnikov praying and Ving Rhams being Ving Rhames, plus the aforementioned juke.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well obviously there isn't a guarantee (which is why its not there), but if you wrote and shot a heist scene with multiple moments of satisfaction...

And the moments of satisfaction are mutually exclusive because the present moment of satisfaction is derived from the absence of the other scene. You could still have everthing that is shown in the movie, there should just be a scene before that scene showing the Heist.

brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i think O12 is mostly a movie about watching good looking people be charming and stylish

in Europe! with lasers! and Cherry Jones! and meta-joeks!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i like hudson hawk

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

also, it's the true spritual predecessor to The Da Vinci Code

http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm36321250802778.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Brontosaur, pull out. Your lack of imagination is failing to give me multiple moments of satisfaction.

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

One thing I think you're overestimating is just how enjoyable the heist can be. At this point, in a heist movie (or scene), I think it's more enjoyable for it to be about everything but the heist. Those scenes are almost always boring, just because you know what's going to happen even in a well-written sequence.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a joke like at the beginning of the good the bad and the ugly, where three gunmen dart into a saloon and eli wallach crashes out the window holding a leg of chicken, wearing a bib. except on a much larger scale.

gear (gear), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Why did Sergio Leone have to be so unimaginative? Why couldn't he have written an exciting shootout, etc.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah all we get to see is eli wallach looking freaked and riding off on his horse. what the fuck?

gear (gear), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"Brontosaur, pull out."

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I can overestimate anything. We're talking about something that doesn't exist. In my imagination it could have been fucking awesome, in everyone else's its boring run-of-the-mill stuff. I would have liked to see an attempt instead of a write around. It peeved me... sort of. Things like that do.

I'm really defending my tossed off comment and minor thought about a movie too much. My argument is also sort of like, "Man that Movie would have been better if all those girls were topless."

uhm.. I really liked that scene where Tom Cruise ran. I was impressed.

brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

did cheers cop out by never showing vera?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

finally non gay dino porn

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

...I mean, all the girls in that movie were really attractive, and no doubt they all had glorious breasts. Unfortunately, for us, the Action Movie Audience the filmaker's did not have the Courage to demand that the actresses were topless through the whole film. Instead they made a CHOICE for them to be clothed. Sure, there is no reason for them to be topless, but the screenwriter's are working with a blank slate, ANYTHING can happen. And sure after a while breasts aren't all that titillating, but as I said they can do anything they want. I can't think of how they could do it, but thats not my job. I PAID to see their movie, and I think topless girls would have made it better. If the filmaker's had one whit of imagination then they would have done this, but instead they were too fucking lazy and too fucking stupid to make it happen. I mean seriously, what a fucking a cop-out.

brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

finally non gay dino porn

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Which role was he auditioning actresses for? wasn't Scarlet Johansson originaly supposed to be involved, but he creeped her out?

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i think he auditioned her for the role of Wife. but then he creeped her out. im not sure about which role in the movie though.

brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

My random thoughts...

-Helicopter chase through windmills was asinine. They are in HELICOPTERS, fly ABOVE the blades. Also, how did they get from Germany to the windmill farm in Tehachapi so damn fast? Note to filmmakers - don't use an easily recognizable landmark and say it's somewhere other than where it is.

-Hooray for Simon Pegg! When's the next Shawn Of The Dead movie?

-The most unbelieveable part of the movie wasn't Cruise, the action scenes, or the over-reliance on masks. It was Keri Russell as superagent Felicity "I couldn't find a guy at NYU so I'll join the CIA."

-Abrams didn't appear to take advantage of film all that well. Much of it was framed like a TV show.

-There's a mole in the organization? This is only the plot of every episode of Alias ever.

-Vatican scene was exceptionally well done. Felt like a different movie all of a sudden. The bridge scene was also great, but like the windmill scene Cruise could have just run around to the half of the bridge that wasn't missing instead of wasting our time by jumping across.

-I like the no-show of the heist too. Reminded me of that Neal Stephenson chapter that ends "everything else was just a chase scene." Negative points for the ridiculous line about "it's the prayer I used for my cat to come home" though.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Much of it was framed like a TV show... There's a mole in the organization? This is only the plot of every episode of Alias ever.

When I heard Abrams, those were two things I was expecting, and he delivered.

Helicopter chase through windmills was asinine. They are in HELICOPTERS, fly ABOVE the blades.

The helicopter being chased was "trynna lose 'em" among the windmill blades, and I loved the way they established that the windmill blades were massive and threatening before they had a helicopter run into one of 'em. Pretty great scene, actually.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:36 (eighteen years ago) link

It was a blast. I expect the next movie I see to be one continuous action scene. Kind of like 24, but, like, 2.25.

I agree that the wind farm scene wasn't all that hot, but who cares if the wind farm was actually in CA. This is an American movie. If we can export our pop culture, we can export our disdain for geography. For M:I:X, I hope a computer-generated Tom Cruise jumps from the top of the Eiffel Tower onto the Kremlin. California? Is that the one shaped like a boot, or the one that invented clocks?

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOODNIGHT!!

and what (ooo), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the windmill scene was great, i don't care how believable it was, i bought it

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The more I hear about this movie the more I think it's actually Around the World in Eighty Days. Maybe Cruise and Jackie Chan shoulda switched roles.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOODNIGHT!!

What, they don't fall over when they are struck by missiles that just missed the good guys, and their blades don't blow up bad guy hellicopters? 'Cause that was the important part. I'm pretty sure they work that way when TOM CRUISE IS KICKING ASS.

Besides, these are German windmills. Didn't the Germans invent them to run their dikes in La Mancha? I suppose you think think THEY DON"T KNOW HOW TO BUILD COPTER KILLING MACHINES IN LA MANCHA.

PWN3D!

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The more I hear about this movie the more I think it's actually Around the World in Eighty Days.

Who would play Cantiflas?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.jacneed.com/PhotoFile/Carrot_Top.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

you know it's kind of pointless to make jokes about that when this actually exists:

http://www.film.ru/img/shots/arnold_schwarzenegger--around_the_world_in_80_days.jpg

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

The wife pissed me off.

― uptoeleven (uptoeleven), Monday, May 8, 2006 6:17 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nu-uh.

sort of think 1 is better than 3, but only marginally. they should have used PSH more.

^^ one of enriques sincere posts (special guest stars mark bronson), Sunday, 15 February 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

love 1, can't remember 3. trying to watch it now but tv reception is going bonkers.

interesting fact: you remember the train roof that Cruise flails about and leaps from in MI1 ? My dad built that roof. yay.

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Sunday, 15 February 2009 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

3 is so rad

max, Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

if 2 had been anywhere near as good the trilogy could be a legit bourne rival imo

max, Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

besr florida keys bridge attack since true lies

^^ one of enriques sincere posts (special guest stars mark bronson), Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

lol @ brontosaurus on this thread

max, Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link

3 is really great yeah

big fatass rick ross (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

love my argument with brontosaurus.

i can't even remember that scene now

but i gotta see this again soon

s1ocki, Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

oh i remember the bridge attack, yeah that was good.

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

did cheers cop out by never showing vera?

the big quez

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Sunday, 15 February 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Musgrave: I thought you could get her back. But I wasn't going to let all people, to let Brassel to undo the work I've done. I took action, Ethan. On the behalf of all working families of America, the Army force, the white house. I've had enough of Brassel and his sanctimony. IMF director, he's an affirmative action poster boy. You grabbed Davian like he wanted, then what? Davian is a weed. You cut him down and two more springs he's just like the next day. Arrest him, then what? You use him. Collaborate with him. Then it's Christmas. In 18 hours, the Rabbit's foot will be sent to its Middle East buyer, we've got the Intel to prove that. Then the UN counsil will have an emergency meeting, we're taking a military strike in a week. Then when the sand settles, our country will do what it does best: cleaning-up, infrastructure, democracy wins.

^^ POLITICS

^^ one of enriques sincere posts (special guest stars mark bronson), Sunday, 15 February 2009 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link

3 rad

my dad has a bazooka (cozwn), Sunday, 15 February 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Uh:

"Mission: Impossible IV," which once seemed truly impossible, is taking shape at Paramount.

Tom Cruise and J.J. Abrams have agreed to co-produce the sequel, which is aimed at a 2011 release.

The return of Cruise to Par itself is surprising in view of the circumstances surrounding his departure in August 2006. Apparently irked by the heft of Cruise’s deal, among other issues, Viacom chief Sumner Redstone abruptly terminated the 14-year relationship between the star and the studio. Cruise’s then-CAA agent, Rick Nicita, termed Redstone’s decision “shockingly offensive and graceless.”

The rift led to Cruise becoming the chief of United Artists and taking a more active role in production decisions. Redstone, meanwhile, has sought to heal the relationship. At a recent appearance, he described the star as “a great actor and a good friend.”

The “Mission” installment would augment Paramount’s formidable array of sequels, which will include “Star Trek 2” and a third “Transformers.”

Work on “Mission: Impossible IV” would inevitably be delayed by the busy schedules of the participants.

Abrams will be responsible for guiding the “Star Trek” sequel, while Cruise recently committed to an untitled pic (formerly called “Wichita”) for 20th Century Fox that will be directed by James Mangold and co-star Cameron Diaz.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 June 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

And here we go.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Uh.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn you for starring in this Jeremy Renner. I liked you.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

m:i3 owned hard

no idea what brad bird will do with it tho

it's always random in wackydelphia (history mayne), Thursday, 28 October 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

a GHOST?!?!

candid gamera (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 October 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

m:i3 owned hard

You mean m:i iii (pronounced "meh")?

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 28 October 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link


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