it's perhaps a sign of my fanboyism that I am already imagining how I'm gonna use this thing before it's even been announced
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
like I was thinking on the train today "hmm wouldn't it be nice if I had a nicely laid out electronic version of the times to page through at this very moment"
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
leaked/fake ad
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
For names, I am rooting for iPad.
http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/New-Commercial-Shows-Apple-iPad-Tablet.aspx
― kenan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHOA xpost. Yeah, that video.
carnival of stupid is in full swing already
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm ready to buy one just so I can use this: http://www.bitcartel.com/comicbooklover/
(comic book reader for iPhone and Mac that supports cbz and cbr files)
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
pretty sure steve's one more thing won't be the tablet but DUKE NUKEM FOREVER
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wonder if these guys who make these fake ads think they're gonna get a job in apple's advertising department as a a result
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
such a waste of fcp/motion skills
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
still think this guy should have got a gig
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is the event tomorrow or Wednesday?
― Jeff, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wednesday
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Momus has one
http://imomus.livejournal.com/520114.html
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
bah its fake!
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/the-apple-tablet-a-complete-history-supposedly/
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Please let this thing run Serato.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/01/26/tablet
― kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
exciting
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dilute Dilute OK!
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Serato is actually the main interface to the OS
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
I hear the tablet is actually manufactured by Numark and will come with red racing stripes.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
comes with a grounding wire
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
will also function as a fridge magnet iirc
― i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
you have to buy two of them to be a real tablet dj
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
like this guy:
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
so amazing the amount that has been written (and illustrated) about this w/o apple publicly saying word one about it
― scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
i heard it can go up stairs by itself
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I heard it doesn't have a name so death can't find it, it doesn't have a home or people to care for. it's not afraid of anything, men least of all. It's fast and strong like a big wind. It can hear for a hundred miles and see a hundred miles underwater. It can hide in the shadow of a noon sun. It could be right behind you and you wouldn't know it 'til you're dead.
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/is-this-the-apple-tablet/
― randy e. bugler (jeff), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
CANT WAIT TO NOT BUY THIS
― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha fantastic post gukbe
― Maria, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, good post, but from what I'm reading none of that is confirmed
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
i want to be jaded and w/e but i have a feeling that i'm really, really gonna want one of these immediately
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
ur a doctor qed
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
sike! me too
― randy e. bugler (jeff), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
Harvey Dent, he's at it again!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
starting in 17 minutes
From that engadget post:
9:42AM Okay! We're in our seats and there's some Dylan playing on the sound system!9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.
9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well, now I know not to read that coverage.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
basically a party in the U.S.A.
― his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
new board motto
I hope the home button isn't in the middle of the tablet, as has been shown in all the mock ups; it makes sense on the iphone (where the thumb lands innit) but wouldn't on a tablet (on the same principle)
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.justin.tv/#r=y6Ire8c
― I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
where is the best coverage going to be?
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh shit, didn't know TWiT was doing a live show. thanks cozen!
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Exciting updates from Ars Technica:
There's a chair and table on stage
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
we need to solve gun control before we can get around to telecom
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:39 (Yesterday) Permalink
I guess healthcare too. we got problems, man
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:40 (Yesterday) Permalink
i think one factor is that infrastructure costs for america are so high, it's such a big country. you really need to be a verizon or an at&t to have enough resources to cover the whole country
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:44 (Yesterday) Permalink
I kind of hate imessage sometimes although it is useful, everything seems to have unlimited texts now anyway
― not lazy but clowning (Suedey 2), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:46 (Yesterday) Permalink
they manage this in russia and australia xp
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:47 (Yesterday) Permalink
what is cell service in the Australian desert like?
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:48 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah... what's the population distribution in australia/russia like? there are like tens of thousands of small towns all over the midwest w/ populations of 10,000 each that need service
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:52 (Yesterday) Permalink
iMessage definitely saves me from being forced to pay $10 a month for a text plan, so hooray
dayo: "based"?
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:54 (Yesterday) Permalink
lil b (the based god)
― markers, Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:55 (Yesterday) Permalink
i assume cell service in remote parts of australia and russia is terrible. who cares? not 99% of russians or australians. these towns "need service"? is at&t legally obliged to serve them?
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:56 (Yesterday) Permalink
if the cost of a network the problem, then it would be possible to build a network that serves 95% of the population instead of 99%, and charge $10/month, and make a fortune. the fact that no one has done that says the problem is because the cell phone market is fundamentally broken.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:59 (Yesterday) Permalink
the UK is #15 here, america russia and austarlia are all in the bottom lower fourth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:02 (Yesterday) Permalink
population dens of australia much more concentrated in partic areas than US
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:05 (Yesterday) Permalink
yours truly, 乒乓, verizon and AT&T apologist
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:06 (Yesterday) Permalink
yes, that was my actual oblique point
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:07 (Yesterday) Permalink
(can't speak to Russia and their phone infrastructure)
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:08 (Yesterday) Permalink
here's an argument why the problem shouldn't be population density: each town of 10,000 people needs a cell phone tower. you can't serve many towns with a cell phone tower, so assuming the town is not completely off the pre-existing physical grid, how far apart the towns are is irrelevant. to first order, it costs no more per person to serve 100 million people living in towns 100 miles apart than in towns 30 miles apart.
here's an argument why the problem cannot in fact be population density: no one has become a billionaire building a network that costs $10/month to use that serves "only" 95% of the population, which should be a piece of cake if the problem weren't a structural one with the market, or a legal one.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:09 (Yesterday) Permalink
i'm using australia and russia as examples to prove that, absent structural or legal problems, it is possible to run a profitable cheap network by ignoring a few % of the population.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:10 (Yesterday) Permalink
I think that is exactly the way that Vodafone undercuts Telstra in Australia though, by providing cheap plans but less coverage
― badg, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:14 (Yesterday) Permalink
exactly. why doesn't someone do that in the US?
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:16 (Yesterday) Permalink
well, you can always sign with t-mobile or sprint
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:17 (Yesterday) Permalink
lock-in is also a problem, since i think... all 4 of the big carriers use different technologies
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:18 (Yesterday) Permalink
hence why there are 2 different iphone models in the US, one of which is not available unlocked despite being more practical for global use
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:19 (Yesterday) Permalink
also: these networks that spend all this money serving little towns, don't actually do a good job of covering the little towns i go to in west texas. they don't do a very good job of serving big cities tbqfh. i mean you can run an advert about how you don't drop calls in cities in the US and that's considered a good use of your advertising budget?
t-mobile, the cheap one, is still expensive even if you just convert it to euros/pounds. if you compare it to the cost of living it's crazy.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:20 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah it's a p big mess
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:20 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah, the CDMA/GSM thing is definitely a big part of the problem.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:21 (Yesterday) Permalink
also i should have ordered free sim cards when they were still doing them dan. they cost $10 now afaict.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:22 (Yesterday) Permalink
Does the widespread use of 4G in the USA explain increased cost perhaps?
― badg, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:22 (Yesterday) Permalink
yikes
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:23 (Yesterday) Permalink
for cities, i think a big problem are zoning regulations (see also why US cities [well, at least NY] can't get it together to build cheap affordable housing stock... it's hard to keep on adding cell towers
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:24 (Yesterday) Permalink
― badg, Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
4G isn't really that widespread
it is possible to run a profitable cheap network by ignoring a few % of the population.
― caek, Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:10 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― badg, Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:14 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
this kind of exists in the form of carriers like cricket, simple talk, boost mobile, who all target 'urban' markets, but afaict they just rent time from the big 2's network
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:25 (Yesterday) Permalink
http://www.simplemobile.com/
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:26 (Yesterday) Permalink
i think we're still kind of in the deployment stages w/4G
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:26 (Yesterday) Permalink
fwiw I was not trying to defend the US system as being awesome
anyway, population density absolutely impacts Australia because you have most people living in concentrated areas, meaning more efficient use of cell towers, plus you are also talking about a population that is 15 times smaller than the US so it shouldn't be THAT surprising that you can build a cheaper network there
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:27 (Yesterday) Permalink
there's also a carrier "lock-in" for people who still actually use their phone to talk, most networks give you free minutes of mobile-to-mobile only if you're on the same network (or you're forced to put certain people on a favorites list)
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:27 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah... even if this were true:
the raw # of cell towers you'd need in america vs. australia would still be by a couple of factors, i think
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:28 (Yesterday) Permalink
the day that they sell data-only plans for the iphone will be a great day
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:29 (Yesterday) Permalink
caek i think there are a few threads in the macrumors iphone forum talking about cheaper providers like simple talk etc.
probably the service in and around NYC is pretty good
― 乒乓, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:30 (Yesterday) Permalink
ok last thing: the population of the us is 15 times bigger so there are 15 times more customers
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:44 (Yesterday) Permalink
Yeah I just remember this every time what apple should do next gets interpreted solely through the USA, which is such an effin weird telecoms market and as cook was saying just this week well under half and dropping of their revenue. Like Belgium or South Africa or something is probably a more useful country to understand well than the USA if you're trying to figure out apple under Tim cook.
― caek, Thursday, 23 May 2013 18:48 (Yesterday) Permalink
iPhone already available unlocked and no-contract on Virgin Mobile, which rides Sprint's network. Think their plan is ~$35/mo.
― 0808ɹƃ (silby), Thursday, 23 May 2013 22:36 (Yesterday) Permalink
the biggest factor iirc is getting the network out there in the first place. no problem rigging up a handful of 850 mhz cells through e.g. alice springs and no problem making money there, but linking that to the rest of the network and maintaining acceptable data speeds is costlier per capita in those regions.
indigenous communities are a whole different story though: recently some colleagues went out to wtf creek in the middle of buggery plains and saw first hand how bad landline internet speeds were there, much less any sort of reliable cell network.
― the Quim of Bendigo (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 23 May 2013 23:59 (Yesterday) Permalink
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-22-2013/tax-men---apple
― markers, Friday, 24 May 2013 02:34 (6 hours ago) Permalink
"my point was more that the type of person who wears watches these days is more likely to be the kind of person who does so as a status symbol, not as a utility"
really?? i wear a watch because i need to know the time and i hate pulling my phone out. it's a cheapie digital, and i have three of them because i kept misplacing them, getting a new one, and then finding them.
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Friday, 24 May 2013 05:53 (2 hours ago) Permalink