Rolling Late-60's/Early-70's Thud-Rock Thread

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also: ORANG-UTAN! and STONEWALL! and CHICO (MAGNETIC BAND)! and a little greek instrumental love for BLUE PHANTOM!

Today I was listening to Lucifer's Friend. What year was that record? 71? maybe it is too prog to be considered "thud-rock" though?

lucifer's friend s/t is 1970, i think.

once again I must defer to El Sabor's excellent taste -- he actually recommended the thing to me back on the old Heavy Riffage thred -- I just finally got around to buying it now. I guess I've been scared of these kind of cover albums ever since I was so disappointed by the Flower Travellin' Band's Anywhere

but fuck, this Suck thing is really great -- It's really kind of nice and comforting to hear these old songs reinterpreted by a different group. It kind of makes total sense; in the way that jazz has a kind of core, "fakebook" or whatever, of classic tunes like "Footprints", "Moanin", "Goodbye Old Pork Pie Hat", "Four", "Giant Steps", etc ... kinda cool to think of an alternate universe where these heavy rock tunes have their own canon, and the best groups just kind of have at 'em!!

that's teh vibe I get from this Suck CD. I totally recommend it. Even to people who hated Anywhere. Don't let the cover-song factor dissuade you. They actually change the arrangements a bit, too. The "War Pigs" is great and funky. And the "Into the Fire" was really unexpected, kind of LESS-heavy as the Purple, but still a completely enjoyable version of the cut..

hmmm... this is what Popoff sayz about that "A Foot in Coldwater" lp:

'Stilted execution and equally stiff production once again plague this band of Canuck hopefuls, lone love light being the soaring vocals of Alan Machin. But there are five loud rock songs on this half-reish album, and each of those is less stingly on the top end than the brown towners from the past. The band revive two of their hit singles on the album as well, "(Make Me Do) Anything you Want" and "(Isn't Love Unkind) In my Life)" (plus two other earlier songs), providing the band with mild hits once again, this time top25ers becoming top10ers. Best of the bunch is "all Around Us" which begins as a bit of funky go-nowhere before exploding into a sinister progressive pomp-rock chorus, all told, the most ambitious track from the band's catalogue. "It's Only love" is perhaps the band's loudest, noisiest, sludgiest track ever, all sorts of guitar squalls burying Machin's valient rock-hero vocals. Again, a frustrating band, in total, not heavy enough for the metalheads and not too mentally proficiently [sic??] and financially blocked to churn out (new) proper pop singles.'

??

ah well, they sound kind of hot. bear in mind that Popoff basically thinks that the Chrysalis-era UFO is like the best band EVER, and he HATES s/t & Flying. he's a puzzler, to be sure

http://chrisgoesrock.blogspot.com/2006/02/suck-time-to-suck-raw-dirty-hardrock.html

dude has the whole album for download.

has anyone heard the Barbara, Hill, Chris, Ethridge - "L.A. Getaway" album that he links on there? i picked it up recently and it's really good (although not thudrock)

here are some of my other fave sites for downloading psych and prog
http://8daysinapril.blogspot.com/
http://chocoreve.blogspot.com/
http://kosstacmina.blogspot.com/
http://lysergia.blogspot.com/

i'd read that

xp - been reading those same blogs, jason, and i feel like it's endangering my sanity. 8daysinapril is killing me.

Coincidentally on the topic, "Sludge in the Seventies"

http://www.emusic.com/lists/showlist.html?lid=505486&nickname=GeorgeSmith

http://www.techwebsound.com/

sooooooo. Decibel is doing an upcoming issue devoted to stoner rock and i said i would do a list of 50 forgotten 70's thud-rock klassix. meaning proto-metal, meaning stoner blooze, meaning i could have just as easily revived the heavy riffage thread. i'm wondering whether i should go heavy on the (after the fact) canon or go mega-obscure or be more dollar bin friendly or what. should i throw in some rural prog riffing a la my beloved wishbone ash and glass harp or keep things dirty and smoke-filled a la dust and toe fat? by (after the fact) canon, i'm talking about leafhound, buffalo, pink fairies, sir lord baltimore, pentagram, ya know, great stuff, but kinda listed to death. this will be fun! and obviously no end to what i could add! i'm only writing a sentence (or hopefully two) about each.

You should do Dick Destiny and the Highway Kings. We did 70's obscuro thud rock in the 80's and more people are looking for the old things on eBay. Brutality was really as obscure as it gets.

Don't forget Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs. Your Aussie readers will appreciate it. You should dig up some women, too. Flame, from Long Island, might fit the bill.

I'd also include Baker-Gurvitz Army. For the tune "Mad Jack" alone. They were the kind of semi-annoying proggy jammy hard rock band with superplayers that has never gotten enough love. You could group them with Three Man Army.

Scott, do you know any Socrates Drank The Conium records? Big saurian dual-guitar blues-psyche from Greece?

Don't know if they're available/rare. I dl'ed one off postpunkjunk last year.

Scott, you gotta include Chicken Shack's Imagination Lady! That is not obscure in the sense that is probably isn't all that rare, but obscure in the sense that it is one of the heaviest records that nobody talks about. I wish more people knew that one. Way better than any of the boring earlier Chicken Shack records.

I say you should lean more non-(after-the-fact)canon, aside from of course the can't-avoid listing (and yeah, Buffalo, Pink Fairies and Sir Lord would be there)

I was listening to the Cactus debut the other day. Holy shit does that rock like an absolute motherfucker. I always liked the story about the backstage fight between them and Sabbath at the Fillmore. I guess Rusty Day got tossed through a wall.

I saw Phil Keaggy mentioned above. A buddy from a family into heavily into the born-again thing took me to a concert of his in '85 or '86. What an unbelievable guitarist.

been listening to records that i own but have never listened to...pull this out this AM...it's pretty good! also, the cover seems to be the spiritual forefather to the cover of accept's "balls to the wall"

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41W0FCF38AL._SS500_.jpg

I got the first Bang album on vinyl a few months back. It was awesome.

You like Wishbone Ash, Ever heard Thunderpussy's Documents of Captivity? I thought that sounded pretty Wishbone Ash-ish (with the unfortunate addition of an occasional flute.) Aside from that, I'm really only familiar with the more "famous" acts, the JD Blackfoots and Budgies and Nitzingers and all that. Don't think I've ever discovered, entirely on my own, any record/band from that era that was both totally classic AND hopelessly obscure. (Goodthunder and Ramatam just didn't cut it, altho Spontaneous Combusion had their moments). And of course, thanks to the internet, there soon won't be any more obscure stuff at all. Which is kinda depressing...

Never heard Thunderpussy...I actually only heard Wishbone Ash for the first time this morning actually...I'll check out Thunderpussy though, with a name like that they can't lose.

thunderpussy are alright. i like the flute.

Scott, do you know any Socrates Drank The Conium records? Big saurian dual-guitar blues-psyche from Greece?

yeah, seconding this if you haven't heard 'em, scott. on the wings has a song called "death is gonna die" fer chrissakes. heavy and proggy.

as for the article, pick ten of each or something. my instinct would be not to go too crazy with impossible to find vinyl but is anything impossible to find thanks to the internet? also, CLEAR BLUE SKY!

And Thunderpussy's "legendary" Documents of Captivity is actually kinda nice, but sounds more like Wishbone Ash or something equally proggy than anything metallic. Plus the bassist doubles on flute, & that's just sad.
-- Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:13 (3 years ago)

You like Wishbone Ash, Ever heard Thunderpussy's Documents of Captivity? I thought that sounded pretty Wishbone Ash-ish (with the unfortunate addition of an occasional flute.)
-- Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 18:50 (Yesterday)

Sufferin' jesus - I finally train myself to always read the whole thread before posting to prevent such redundancies; and now I gotta try to remember to "Click here to display them all" everytime too!

And finally, if I haven't gotten my point across yet (Wishbone Ash good, flute bad) you can click here and read it a third time, alongside a few snarky remarks and a genuinely informative nugget or two.

this album is better than i remember:

http://www.recordsale.de/cdpix/i/illusion-if_its_so.jpg

heavier and funkier that i remember. haven't played it in years. i mean, it's no work of genius, but there is definitely thud involved. and lotsa guitars.

apropos this thread:

White Lace & Strange: Heavy Psych And Power Fuzz From USA 68-72

1. Persecution - Third Power
2. White Lace & Strange - Thunder & Roses
3. Dimples - The Hook
4. It Could Be Me - The Power Of Zeus
5. John Doe - Banchee
6. Steel Dog Man - Brother Fox And The Tar Baby
7. Hideaway Of Your Love - The Lemonade Charade
8. Angeline - Genesis
9. Loveless Lives - Blue Mountain Eagle
10. Someone Else's Games - Mount Rushmore
11. Get In The Wind - The Illinios Speed Press
12. Bide My Time - The Fields
13. Spaceship Earth - Road
14. Knocked Out - Eden's Children
15. I Think You'd Cry - T.I.M.E.
16. Darkness - The Underbeats
17. I'm A Man - Yellow Payges
18. Time Has Come, Gonna Die - Lincoln Street Exit
19. My Babe - The Uniques
20. Seventh Is Death, The - The Fort Mudge Memorial Dump

it's pretty good. i've got some of that stuff already and foolishly passed up lots of the rest, but it's good. oh, and mr. bevis frond's liner notes are shit (he "couldn't find any information" about the genesis from LA) and have a reluctant, book report-ish quality. but it's good overall. good sound quality.

Got label/retail info?

psychic circle is the label. the only website listed is soundlinkmusic.com, which seems to just sell radioactive, fallout and psyhic circle stuff.

uhh, forced exposure carries them.

i've always wanted that fort mudge album. and the brother fox album. third power are cool. i still want that lincoln st. exit album too. they became XIT.

i love that thunder & roses album. philly power-trio. lotsa great fuzzed out hendrix/cream rips.

i love the hook too. can't say enough good stuff about them. plus, one of them was chaki's dad!

i fucking adore that first Banchee album. so addictive. wish i could afford their second album.

the first illinois speed press album is great. highly recommended. not straight up hard rock though. a mix of folk/rock/hard rock.

eden's children rule.

t.i.m.e. had one or two good tracks per album.

i figured you'd have something to say about these, scott. i passed up the mudge album and i've regretted it ever since.

haven't heard the lincoln st. exit LP but there's a pretty cool ep i got on mysteryposter's blog.

i love the hook too. can't say enough good stuff about them. plus, one of them was chaki's dad!

wow! their song kicks ass, too.

i fucking adore that first Banchee album. so addictive. wish i could afford their second album.

i got both on one cd on lizard records. CONTEMPORIZE, MAAAAN!

i'm never buying radioactive/fallout stuff. i'm down with the ban. especially after knowing how radioactive treated george brigman. fuck them. they should be in jail. hey, if you are a fan, and you put out 200/300/500 copies of some forgotten shit on vinyl and then you are done with it, that's okay with me. you make a business out of ripping people off and do it for years? why can't anyone stop these people?

five of those groups on that comp made my decibel top 50. including road. if it's the same road. this road:

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/56471.jpg

I'm late to the thread but nobody seems to have mentioned Stackwaddy yet. You can't get too much thuddier than that I think...

They were really entertaining in an utter shite kind of way. I once heard an interview where John Peel was talking about them (they were on his label Dandelion, for anyone who didn't know that part) and it was hilarious.

Apparently these lads were a bit flaky due to nearly constant drunkenness was the gist of it. Great stuff.... Someone got me into them when I became obsessed with the Dandelion label some years ago.

They finally released a comp of the label this year called Life Too, Has Surface Noise: The Complete Dandelion Records Singles Collection 1969-1972 which has some stuff I hadn't been able to track down and is up on eMusic. I wish I could have sprung for the physical product but maybe someone will get it for me for xmas. Anyway, the comp is recommended (in an OT way, i.e. not for its thuddiness) and does include both Stackwaddy singles, which in itself is a bit of a laugh. If you are looking to burn some eMusic credits, you could do far worse.

xxp: i think radioactive did stop, didn't they? i've bought stuff on radioactive since i found out they were weasels, but only used.

i've read things both way about fallout, though, and i don't know what to think. they seem to have business connections to sunbeam, who are generally recognized as legit and above board. as for psychic circle... don't know yet. they've only done comps so far.

it's all nebulous. i thought i heard that radioactive was involved with fallout.

er, this road:

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Broadway/8489/Jacket/Road.JPG

with noel redding

that's the one.

i'm pretty sure radioactive and fallout are connected somehow, btw, just don't know if their business practices are the same.

i think the fields and the yellow payges and the hook were all on uni. maybe.

the road keeps disappearing.

kinda spooky.