rolling US charts 2008/talk about "pop" here

JANET.

this looks reputable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_in_music

new gnarls single should be great or a disaster

Also I'm interested to hear how Rihanna follow's up "Umbrella", her next album is due in December.

wheres that new big boi single he promised to drop on new years eve

January 29
Her Name is Nicole by Nicole Scherzinger [17]

LMAO. Like I said in the R&B thread, this entire project is just a ginormous, hilarious failure.. I doubt it will be released in January (I really don't see her FOURTH SINGLE "Puakenikeni" catching on...).

the one w/ t.i. was pretty good i thought

though the verse wayne did at the vmas was >>>>>> t.i.s

on the sveltometer

36 pant size out of a max of 48

does a jordan sargent listen to az

not really. i thought that song w/ styles you dudes were raving about was pretty good tho.

The list on wikipedia of forthcoming/tenative albums for 2008 has left me cold.

The pop fire inside my chest has gone out!

ok well not completely:

Discipline by Janet Jackson
Tha Carter III by Lil' Wayne
Detox by Dr. Dre (really?)
Untitled by Beyonce

a lot more, most not very "pop" on stereogum:

http://stereogum.com/archives/stereogums-2008-album-forecast_007552.html

From last year's thread:

"Pop" sounds way more bland and chickenshit and compromised than "teenpop" to me; it's too all-encompassing (plus just wait until it gets overrun by Big Star and Blue Ash and Badfinger fans.) (Not that they should be shut out or anything. Sometimes I'm even one of those myself.)

And my problem with "U.S. charts" is, uh, what about teenpop that doesn't make the U.S. charts (like, say Skye Sweetnam and Hope Partlow and the Veronicas and Pretty Donkey and fill-in-the-Europop-star-I-never-heard-of in the past few years)? Where does that go?

I suggest: Rolling Bubblegum Thread '08. (But it's too late now, maybe.)

-- xhuxk, Monday, December 31, 2007 10:21 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol so girl talk is releasing a new album in 8 days apparently?

i'd like to think that this would be the rolling bubblegum 08 thread. i would like ppl to throw things at the wall to see what sticks, but i would hope that this thread last year wouldn't have elicited discussions on that new panda bear mp3.

sheryl crow should be for another thread as much as vampire weekend

But why? See, a rolling thread where people start out talking about what to leave off totally defeats the purpose. (That happened with the Rolling Punk-As-Long-As-You-Define-Punk-They-Way-We-Do thread last year, which seemed dead before it even got started.) Vampire Weekend and Sheryl Crow have fit in fine on the teenpop thread before, I thought (and the Vampire Weekend album isn't horrible, btw.)

But if you don't have any parameters what is the point of a Rolling Thread?

it's true that there's a lot of major label pop that never actually charts on the Hot 100 or really any other Billboard chart. I don't think anyone will call foul if that stuff gets brought up in a "rolling US charts" thread, though.

idk then, ppl can talk about whatever they want. i'm sure this thread's identity will be self-evident by feb or so. i'd prefer more talk about music than chart position, i just put chart position in the thread title bcuz we talked about pop on the 07 charts thread.

i brought up panda bear and vampire weekend bcuz they could be rightfully classified as pop, but for this thread i was thinking more towards, major-label pop/rock/rap that charts in the hot 100 or may chart in the top 100. a too broad rolling thread would just be the same as ILM w/ posts acting as new threads.

xp Rolling Threads figure out their "point" by the discussion building momentum, not by shutting themselves off to discussion from the gitgo; the best ones (Rolling Teenpop '06, Rolling Country '07) have never bothered to set parameters, and it made the discussion on them more interesting; people can figure out parameters (and ignore them at will, when it makes sense to do so) as they go.

^i guess this makes sense

Existence before essence, baby.

I don't think saying "we're going to limit this to music that could potentially appear on the billboard top 100" classifies as "shutting the thread off to discussion". It is a fairly vaired and wide-range category, there are threads about Vampire Weekend all over...

that sean kingston song is good.

xp Why do people think Vampire Weekend couldn't potentially appear on the Billboard Hot 100? (All they'd need these days is an iTunes ad. And I assume you mean the single; I'll be surprised if the album doesn't enter in the top half of the Billboard 200. Release date is Jan 29, right? So it's up against Simple Plan and Willie Nelson, I guess, and what else? Cheb I Sabbah?? I'm probably missing some important releases there, but it could easily top the Heatseekers chart, if nothing else.)

i agree w/chuck. prob is some people have this platonic idea of genres and categories.

and theres been enough threads on that.

thread closed on account of too much hand wringing

we'll try again in 2009!

I think ILM would be well served to have a rolling pop thread without the words "US" or "charts" in it...the US charts seems to suffer from a sad lack of proper pop these days anyhow.

Can I say how much I hate the phrase "proper pop"? Not saying you are, but a lot of people tend to use it as a convenient stand-in for "white". And I don't think anyone was trying to restrict this to "proper pop", anyway.

nothing scares me off a thread more than meta "but WHY NOT this?" blather. Bring up random shit, but please stop bringing up BRINGING UP random shit.

"Paralyzer" gives me hope that Electric Six could still someday have a crossover hit. That's basically what I like about it.

which rapper has the best questionably masculine handle on the charts right now: Flo Rida, Baby Bash or Plies? If only Soulja Boy spelled it Boi.

I think that everyone has their own meaning for "proper pop"...mine is any pop but teenpop, but YMMV, etc.

Vibe: "Plies is an interesting name for a rapper, how did you get that nickname?"

Plies: "Plies is a tool, You can use it to put the squeeze on things, like I'm doing to these niggas in the rap game. I got the squeeze on them real tight, they feeling the pressure, or you can use it to pull things out. I pull out all the bullshit and keep the real you feel me? It also a word you can use in terms of things goin' on in yo life, ya dig. You may hear something I say and say that it plies to me. Plies straight to me."

Vibe: "I've heard of a tool called a Pliers and the term applies."

Plies: "You know what I'm trying to say my nigga, just buy my album, I'm from the South my nigga, we don't learn no grammar. My Album out August 7, 2007, cop three copies each, it's Christmas in July fo' real, ya dig?

Well, at least that leaves the path clear for the inevitable resurgence of interest in Chaka Demus & Pliers following their appearance onstage at the AMAs with Alicia Keys, eh?

Would this be the point to mention that I did a rundown of the US Top 50 from a few weeks ago on my blog? Why not. In summary - kinda impressed by Sugarland and Taylor Swift, kinda going the hell off DJ Khaled.

uuummmmm

WE THE BEST

This is like the fourth straight #1 that I haven't heard prior to it becoming #1. Out of the loop, I guess.

It's partly iTunes and everything making hits rise much faster than they used to, and "Low" in particular kinda came outta nowhere. The last few before that (Alicia, Chris Brown, Soulja Boy) all had a good month or so of mainstream saturation before hitting #1, though.

WHO IS ASIA CRUISE?

( http://www.myspace.com/asiahitz .. those ads have been popping up everywhere for the last few months)

Thought that "Spring Street" on the recent Vanessa Carlton album was the best thing she ever did. Trying to do the mother-daughter continuity thing (a now-I-understand-you-mom song); her lyrics find a way to the obvious, but she's got this beautiful not-quite-a-kid anymore hum in her voice.

Yeah, it baffles me that you put "U.S. charts" in what you intended to be a general pop thread. What's the chance of Stephanie McIntosh or Ewa Farna or Kim-Lian ever charting in the U.S., or Dahv or Katy Rose ever charting anywhere, or Marit Larsen or Ashlee Simpson ever charting again? But then, since I chose not to start a thread, I shouldn't get into this. But also, nothing stopped you from waiting for the discussion to go further rather than unilaterally starting a thread.

But anyway, whether this thread gets interesting depends on whether people inspire themselves to actually say something about the music. But if someone starts a rolling everywhere everything bubblegum and popped thread, I'd take a look.

again, i made this the US charts thread because a. we had good discussion about pop on the us charts thread last year and b. it makes it obvious to people where they can talk about shit like "low" and "paralyzer" and "tattoo" etc. etc.

that said, i could care less what people talk about on here. pop music released in the us? cool? marit larsen? cooler. ppl letting thread titles derail whatever pop they want to talk about are on here are either taking this too seriously or idiotically stubborn.

if you want to talk about dahv or katy rose or whatever, and other ppl also want to talk about them, i see no reason why it can't be discussed here. if people bitch, it's gonna be reactionary anti-teen pop ppl, not anyoen trying to protect the integrity of the "charts" thread.

I think I just realized that the end of the Stylus Singles Jukebox is partially to blame for me not having heard these songs.

xp I consider this thread the 2008 version of the Rolling U.S. Charts thread. The only thing that's changed is that Jordan is letting us know we can talk about pop more broadly in it, too. Which we were kind of doing already last year, anyway.

i'm not exactly sure why ppl feel like their discussions are going to be curtailed here. if anything, combining teenpop crew w/ ppl who listen to broader pop but not teenpop will be a good thing.

Love Lockdown starting to descend. I didn't know TI still had this in him. Excellent question here: "what's the barometer for telling if people actually like the song? 3 weeks @ #1? 4?" Having a Billboard top 10 isn't very meaningful anymore in and of itself.

i just mean in relation to the old idea of "OMG #1 SINGLE" i.e. when "whatever you like" jumped 800 spots or w/e to #1 i thought it was going to be a flash-in-the-pan or for lack of a better term "fake #1 single" but it stayed up there for a bit so it's a legit #1 in my book. if "live your life" falls off next week or there after i would consider it a fake #1 for all intents and purposes

yeah iTunes has basically made the singles chart more like the album chart, where the size of an artist's fanbase and how big their last record was determines what's big, not whether the song itself is really well liked and getting listened to and requested by everyone everywhere.

Both of you OTM

You're just summarized the Jonas Brothers' chart career beautifully.

That Pitbull song sounds like "Love Rollercoaster"

hahaha did I call Lil Wayne T-Pain?

hahahaha

they want you to not be able to tell the difference between them. you're falling right into their plan!

BILLBOARD HOT 100 - TOP 50
96 1 BRITNEY SPEARS WOMANIZER
2 2 T.I. WHATEVER YOU LIKE
1 3 T.I. LIVE YOUR LIFE - STILL BULLETED
3 4 PINK SO WHAT
6 5 KATY PERRY HOT N COLD
4 6 RIHANNA DISTURBIA
5 7 RUDOLF*KEVIN LET IT ROCK - STILL BULLETED
8 8 T-PAIN CAN'T BELIEVE IT
11 9 NE-YO MISS INDEPENDENT
9 10 M.I.A. PAPER PLANES (HOMELAND SECURIT
14 11 LEONA LEWIS BETTER IN TIME
15 12 KANYE WEST LOVE LOCKDOWN
12 13 NE-YO CLOSER
13 14 SWIFT*TAYLOR LOVE STORY
16 15 JASON MRAZ I'M YOURS
10 16 NICKELBACK GOTTA BE SOMEBODY
7 17 CHRISTINA AGUILERA KEEPS GETTIN' BETTER
19 18 LIL WAYNE FEATURING MRS. OFFICER
21 19 JORDIN SPARKS ONE STEP AT A TIME
18 20 CHRIS BROWN FOREVER
20 21 LIL WAYNE GOT MONEY
25 22 DAVID ARCHULETA CRUSH
23 23 THE GAME FEATURING MY LIFE
22 24 COLDPLAY VIVA LA VIDA
26 25 SECONDHAND SERENADE FALL FOR YOU
27 26 AKON RIGHT NOW (NA NA NA)
29 27 HUDSON*JENNIFER SPOTLIGHT-REMIXES
24 28 ESTELLE AMERICAN BOY
30 29 FLO RIDA FEATURING IN THE AYER
33 30 PITBULL FEATURING L KRAZY
28 31 KARDINAL OFFISHALL DANGEROUS
31 32 JAY-Z & T.I. FEATUR SWAGGA LIKE US
42 33 SAVING ABEL ADDICTED
37 34 GAVIN ROSSDALE LOVE REMAINS THE SAME
34 35 KID ROCK ALL SUMMER LONG
43 36 LUDACRIS WHAT THEM GIRLS LIKE
41 37 CARRIE UNDERWOOD JUST A DREAM
40 38 SULLIVAN*JAZMINE NEED U BAD
35 39 LEWIS*LEONA BLEEDING LOVE - SINGLE
-- 40 AKON FEATURING LIL I'M SO PAID
49 41 METRO STATION SHAKE IT
39 42 DARIUS RUCKER DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK ABOU
46 43 KENNY CHESNEY WITH EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO HEAVE
51 44 SHONTELLE T-SHIRT
38 45 RIHANNA TAKE A BOW
36 46 PERRY*KATY I KISSED A GIRL (REMIXES0
52 47 ZAC BROWN BAND CHICKEN FRIED
56 48 DAUGHTRY WHAT ABOUT NOW
54 49 TOBY KEITH SHE NEVER CRIED IN FRONT OF ME
47 50 BEDINGFIELD*NATASHA POCKETFUL OF SUNSHINE(REMIXES)

INTERESTING MOVES & DEBUTS
32 52 THE KILLERS HUMAN
66 60 LADY GAGA,COLBY O'DONIS JUST DANCE (REMIXES) - EP
17 66 DAVID COOK LIGHT ON
70 67 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD ANGEL
88 68 JESSE MCCARTNEY IT'S OVER
74 69 BRANDY RIGHT HERE (DEPARTED)
79 73 FALL OUT BOY I DON'T CARE
-- 74 FALL OUT BOY HEADFIRST SLIDE INTO COOPERSTO
81 79 SEPTEMBER CRY FOR YOU
-- 81 JAZMINE SULLIVAN BUST YOUR WINDOWS
-- 82 DIERKS BENTLEY FEEL THAT FIRE
82 87 ALICIA KEYS SUPERWOMAN
-- 91 LADY ANTEBELLUM LOOKIN' FOR A GOOD TIME
-- 93 OASIS THE SHOCK OF THE LIGHTNING
-- 96 THE OFFSPRING YOU'RE GONNA GO FAR, KID
-- 100 BEYONCE IF I WERE A BOY

BUBBLING UNDER
-- 4 WEIRD AL YANKOVIC WHATEVER YOU LIKE
13 5 LIFEHOUSE BROKEN
-- 8 BEYONCE SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON I
15 10 KINGS OF LEON SEX ON FIRE
10 14 NEW KIDS ON THE BLO SINGLE
11 15 THE ALL-AMERICAN RE GIVES YOU HELL

R&B 100
2 1 HUDSON*JENNIFER SPOTLIGHT-REMIXES
1 2 T.I. WHATEVER YOU LIKE
5 3 NE-YO MISS INDEPENDENT
3 4 T-PAIN CAN'T BELIEVE IT
4 5 SULLIVAN*JAZMINE NEED U BAD
17 11 JAZMINE SULLIVAN BUST YOUR WINDOWS
12 12 ALICIA KEYS SUPERWOMAN
-- 20 BEYONCE SINGLE LADIES (PUT A RING ON I
23 22 BRANDY RIGHT HERE (DEPARTED)
51 27 THICKE*ROBIN SWEETEST LOVE
48 29 KANYE WEST LOVE LOCKDOWN
52 35 MARY MARY GET UP
46 36 USHER TRADING PLACES
39 39 USHER HERE I STAND
29 42 CIARA FEATURING T-P GO GIRL
53 45 M.I.A. PAPER PLANES (HOMELAND SECURIT
93 59 KEYSHIA COLE FEATUR PLAYA CARDZ RIGHT
-- 61 BEYONCE IF I WERE A BOY
-- 67 50 CENT GET UP
84 71 WAYNE BRADY ORDINARY
94 86 ESTELLE FEATURING S COME OVER
89 88 RIHANNA DISTURBIA

Brit biggest jump to #1 ever as expected.

charts are becoming meaningless arent they

17 66 DAVID COOK LIGHT ON

if I am reading that correctly, lol ouch

84 71 WAYNE BRADY ORDINARY

???

88 68 JESSE MCCARTNEY IT'S OVER

This song is terrific, btw

84 71 WAYNE BRADY ORDINARY

ft. laura hall and linda taylor

84 71 WAYNE BRADY ORDINARY

???

(Has anyone here actually heard his album?)

Hey Brainwasher, do you have a billboard.biz subscription? If so, can you e-mail me? I need access to some info for work.

no, I don't sorry. I get the chart updates from a message board.

Ah, thanks, anyway.

jaymc, i have billboard.biz access if you want me to look something up.

I <3 this week's top 10:

1. "Whatever You Like" - T.I. *7 weeks*
2. "Live Your Life" - T.I. feat. Rihanna *airplay gainer*
3. "If I Were A Boy" - Beyoncé
4. "So What" - Pink
5. "Womanizer" - Britney Spears
6. "Hot N Cold" - Katy Perry
7. "Let It Rock'" - Kevin Rudolf feat. Lil Wayne
8. "Miss Independent" - Ne-Yo
9. "Disturbia" - Rihanna
10. "I'm Yours'" - Jason Mraz *sales gainer*

Minus "Miss Independent" though. But even Beyonce's new song is growing on me.

Anyone know of a book or good long article that talks about how the US chart came to be so dominated by rap and R&B?

Oh, thanks, Al. I didn't see this until now, so it's a little late, but if I have another question I'll e-mail you.

"Miss Independent" and "Live Your Life" are the only songs in the top ten I like right now : /

man that is a hilariously awful top 10

miss independent is the best song on there by miles

I kind of hate that the default for pop in '08 is this stompy 4x4 that doesn't have enough syncopation going on above it to feel like house or disco

'whatever you like' is the best, duh

miss independent is the best song on there by miles

It's the best, but I've come around to "Live Your Life."

92 NEW 1 My President, Young Jeezy Featuring Nas 92

XD

haha yeah the other day i noticed that that sneaked into the itunes top 100 and i was all XD

Let It Rock is just tedious.. Def in my 10 worst of this year.

http://i18.tinypic.com/6ki7x3t.jpgLady GaGa feat. Colby O Donnis - "Just Dance"http://i18.tinypic.com/6ki7x3t.jpg

the remix of it is the best...hccr's bambossa mix. not a dramatic mix but punches it up.

G'n'R down from 3 to 18, more a case of 'out of sight out of mind' than 'absence makes the heart grow fonder'.

Colby O'Donis owns that song! I find Lady Gaga's voice irritating...reminds me of the (whiny) girlfriend i never had ;_;

- anyone know why "can't believe it" was the sales gainer this week?

- lady gaga looks certifiably insane
http://media.villagevoice.com/2842152.28.jpg

omg