Does anyone still shop at HMV?

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good live music for free = hurrah!

bad live music getting between me and the 'k' section = boo!

m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Do HMV sell downloads?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Exactly. Biffy Clyro should sod off and play at Cardiff HMV instead.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:50 (seventeen years ago) link

As I recall the last branch of Our Price to stay open was the one in Hamilton. It was doomed, of course.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Biffy Clyro should sod off and play at Cardiff HMV instead.

What have the Welsh ever done to you to deserve that?

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Our Price became "Sanity Entertainment" It was actually better because it sold slightly more obscure cds and it wasn't all DVD's and Mobile Phones like our price. Infact it stocked a lot more cd's than Our Price did. It shut down a good few years ago though.
Impulse was gone by the late 90s. Now it's Woolies, Smiths and the supermarkets only.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

That was it, Sanity Entertainment; I knew it changed hands but couldn't remember what it was called.

Impulse was a good wee shop. I remember buying the Datapanik In The Year Zero 12-inch and similar delights out of there with my pocket money way back in the day.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you ever visit up here now? The fact that Hamilton has a better shopping centre than Motherwell, Airdrie and Coatbridge shows how bad they all are.
If there was a rail link to EK i'm sure no one would ever shop here.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

there is still an impulse at paddington (i think) station.

sanitary entertainment was cackers.

and yeah i think selectadisc has gone a bit rubbish, it's still good but i remember the days i couldn't leave that shop without having spent at least £40 on incredible goodies. download access might be a factor now but when i go in i can never find anything i really want.

the next grozart, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

that's sad...I moved out of london around the same time that it changed hands. maybe the withdrawal of my not-inconsiderable custom is a factor in their decline. sorry.

sister ray was always balls though, so I'm not surprised.

m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope they don't make the place more like Virgin, which is fucking useless. HMV is OK, generally.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

My mum lives in Bothwell and shops in Hamilton so I still visit there quite a lot.

At least EK has an HMV, though it's a fairly bog standard one.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Virgin at Piccadilly (Tower as was) is a joke. Last weekend I seriously wondered aloud why they were bothering to keep the place open. Go up to the jazz section and it's like the bailiffs have just paid a visit. Virtually nothing left.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Virgin is just useless allround these days. See television and internet.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I still go in HMV and Virgin in Exeter probably at least once a week, but the vast majority of my music purchasing is done at Amazon. I have an emusic subscription but rarely use it. I still vastly prefer CDs to downloads.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Really, the only thing which stops me from going to Amazon full-time is the fact that ultimately one still has to rely on the white van man delivering it at two in the afternoon. If they can work out a way of beaming the stuff to me, Star Trek-style, then we'd be talking.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

when tower in piccadilly was tower, it used to be excellent. it had a great jazz/experimental section, complete with genre-specific bargain bins. plus, they had the most comprehensive selection of import mags in london.

their closing down sale was amazing too...picked up a couple of acid mothers rarities, an american heritage tour-only CD and a DAAU album for £2 a pop.

ebay, independent record shops and small label/distro/artist sites rule all. HMV is only good for '3 for £18' DVD deals.

m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't you still get branches of Sanity at airports, allowing you to buy VAT-free Phil Collins CDs?

Neil S, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:21 (seventeen years ago) link

virgin had that card last year where you got a stamp for every £10 you spent, and then redeemed it for £10 when you got 10 stamps. took me about a year to fill it up.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I have about four of those cards, each with three stamps. bah.

m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

piccadilly hmv = grate
cambridge hmv = :-/

unfished business, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Our Price did that in the early 90s. I remember getting £15 off a Janes Addiction import cd that way. Think I also got Led Zep - Remasters that way too.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Piccadilly Tower seconded. Separate improv/experimental section! Fantastic world music section as well. They should have concentrated on that branch alone instead of trying to branch out elsewhere.

But yes, increasingly I'll stick to places like Rough Trade, Minus Zero and Sound 323 for the stuff I really want.

Selectadisc is definitely on a downturn. They seem to have very poor stock control so that they appear to have a lot of stuff but never the things you're actually looking for, and the new releases section tends to eb limited to the same sort of generic indie stuff/guff you can get anywhere.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

sp: "be limited"

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

virgin had that card last year where you got a stamp for every £10 you spent, and then redeemed it for £10 when you got 10 stamps. took me about a year to fill it up.

I got through about 5 of them.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Tower Records disappeared from Glasgow in late 90s i think. It was utter shite for the last few years of it's existence but up until then it was great(though very expensive). Was worth going in just to buy the import magazines alone.
Last time i was in before xmas there was a new shop in it's place. But didn't look any good.
Missing and Avalanche are crap now. I need to pay a visit to Volcanic Tongue sometime, but that's very expensive too. I'm as well doing mail order if i want anything from them. So Monorail is the only one worth visiting now. Unless you need cheap cd's from FOPP.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What was that building before it was "Tower" ?

Some dept store.

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

HMV seem to be trying to ape the Fopp business model but without realising why Fopp are successful - bunging a few dvd's down to £7.00 ain't gonna save you, fools. Yeah the jazz and classical sections in Virgin Piccadilly are looking distinctly lonely these days. The cold winds are starting to howl...

Matt #2, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I lived in london for ten years and never made it to 323. it was just in the wrong part of town... where is minus zero?

m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought a DVD of "Mon Oncle" with my Virgin card. It all reminded me of why I don't bother with Nectar cards at Sainsbury's in the end.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Just the other side of Portobello Road from Rough Trade, but it's only open on Fridays and Saturdays.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Sound 323 is a bit of a slog to get to, all the way up Archway.

I really miss These Records round the back of the Imperial War Museum which was dead easy for me to get to. But I guess their policy of not announcing themselves on the shop front and you had to know it was there and ring the correct doorbell before getting in did for them in the end.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

avalance is OK. the glasgow branch is better than edinburgh, at any rate.

volcanic tongue is excellent, but yes, way overpriced for home-made CD-Rs. good second-hand section though, and an unrivalled selection of obscure improvania. on the downside, it's a little one-dimensional in some ways, and I can never go in, browse and not buy.

I love monorail more than my own son. not that I have one, but if I did, he'd come second. great selection, decent prices, lovely, friendly staff and decent cider.


m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

hmv oxford circus is very good for dvds, stock-wise, but i hardly ever *buy* anything, because it's almost always cheaper online, the end. you get the occasional thing for £3 i guess. the thing with dvds is it's hard to know what exists, so browsing kind of makes sense. then go and buy it cheaper from caiman.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I always use the Nectar card at Sainsburys - every few months it buys my girlfriend and I dinner.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

best shops in london = the various MVE branches. notting hill especially.

m the g, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Best record shop in London = this charity shop I found that's always getting piles of cheap promos in which I buy for £1 a pop, sell on ebay for a small profit and blow the proceeds at Sound 323 every once in a while. It's all for a good cause all round - everyone wins!

Matt #2, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

MVE would be best if they'd stop using such ridiculously sticky stickers! Keep seeing things I want in digipaks for a couple of quid but you know trying to get the sticker off will end up tearing half the cover off with it.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I was in the Camden Lock branch of MVE the other day (the one near Fopp) and it seemed to be staffed entirely by twattish gap year students rather than the usual suicide cases. What's up with that, huh?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The thing about the Oxford Circus HMV is that they always seem to have one copy of whatever I'm looking for in stock where nobody else in central London has. It's almost as if they have a premonition: "oh get a copy of that - MC'll buy it."

MVE Notting Hill are v. good. Camden MVE is in a bit of a mess. The Berwick Street one is good though - I particularly like that shelf they have in between the main stock and the bargain basement downstairs where things are sort of semi-bargain priced; handy for picking up new releases you're not sufficiently sure about to pay full price.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Last time i was in before xmas there was a new shop in it's place. But didn't look any good.

whatever it was (i can't even remember), it was only open for about two weeks.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

There are some bloody good charity shops dotted around various quarters of the capital, but I'm loath to identify them since if I do that then the professional crate diggers will move in.

Flashback in Islington is a terrific second-hand shop with a good vinyl basement.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

That's my favourite shelf too! Anyone know when the Reckless fire sale might involve the shop that isn't full of deep house 12"'s?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

HMV sales are often really good, bought shitloads more stuff in HMV than any other major high street retailer

Tom D., Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I also regularly peruse that middle shelf at Berwick St MVE. I might go there this lunchtime. They had some of the Can remasters last time I was in there but they were 6 quid and I'm a bit skint at the moment. They'll be gone before they get cheap enough for me I expect.

When/how often do they mark down their prices? Some things I've been watching never seem to get any cheaper.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

If only. Clearly they're trying to get rid of all the unsellable stuff and most likely will flog the good stuff off privately.

I see that Sounds Of The Universe have moved their modest post-punk stock to the basement so that's the end of that particular craze, then.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I see the Mr. CD in Berwick Street is no more

Tom D., Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

(Reckless fire sale xpost, that was)

MVE tend to mark down their prices fortnightly.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, Mr CD gone and also its sister shop up the road, whatever that was called. Expect HIP HOP IS DEAD thinkpieces in next Friday's Grauniad.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

No great loss there really.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody really needs to do a proper history of Glasgow DIY from the 90s onwards...

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

Dep was always the nicest guy at Missing records, it's great that he has his own thing and it is thriving.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link

Dep's a total legend and a lovely guy. I love the fact that for his holidays last year he followed Mike Watt on tour around the west coast of America.

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, He's been doing that for ages, I first got to know him when we bonded over fIREHOSE, he had gone off to follow them around the states.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link

Wow, I finally managed to find the new HMV shop, and erm, wow, that is one of the most depressing shopping experiences I have had in a while. I don't know why it's so grim? The lighting, the cramped feeling, the fact that I felt like the youngest person upstairs by about 10 years?

(OK, Fopp was only not-depressing because the CDs were so cheap. I'm not going to say no to my obsession when it's only £3. Also Fopp-shoppers in the upstairs section are a refreshingly friendly bunch. Has liking CDs become such a bizarre hobbyist thing that we've established camaraderie through rarity?)

"righteous indignation shit" (Branwell Bell), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link

Bond Street is really terrible. do they not realise how much they devalue the store and everything inside it by making 80% of the ground floor a crappy sale with 20 john wayne dvd box sets piled in every corner?

jamiesummerz, Friday, 14 February 2014 13:33 (ten years ago) link

Really, when I was in there last week I could have wept to think what HMV once was and what it’s now been reduced to. Granted, with Fopp you still have to run the gauntlet of Old Men on the ground floor but I agree that it’s much better once you’re upstairs. That having been said, I still miss the huge mega-Fopp that used to be on Tottenham Court Road.

As for Piccadilly Circus: “Must dash, now – I’m off to The Sting (Network Of Brands).” You’ll not hear that said.

Hahaha there was literally a block of Old Men between me and the Interpol section at Fopp yesterday, it was almost comical. They were friendly and obliging and even chatty, but I was ridiculously aware of being the Only Woman In The Room at that point, LOL.

"righteous indignation shit" (Branwell Bell), Friday, 14 February 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link

When I went to the closing down sale of the Oxford branch there was only one shelving unit of CDs, nothing I wanted and nothing below about £8. "Final reductions" in most cases seemed to be an amazing 10% off. Woo.

I'd been in before Christmas and spotted a couple of sale items (also at about 10% off) that I'd have taken a gamble on if they were just slightly cheaper, so I was hoping they might still be there with a new sticker on. But this time round there was nothing but landfill and "greatest hits" collections you could find in any charity shop in the country for a quarter of the price.

RIP former giant, I guess.

not a player-hater i just hate a lot (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link

Does that mean there are no record shops left in Oxford other than whatever charity shops might have? That is hugely depressing (says someone who remembers the good old days of Massive, Chalky, Avid and Green River and even Russell & Acott).

there used to be some specialist shops (at least one selling reggae) on the Cowley Rd too IIRC

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:45 (ten years ago) link

There's one called the Truck Store. Website: http://truckmusicstore.co.uk/

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 14 February 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link

that's heartening, looks like they're catering to the student crowd and selling lots of vinyl.

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:48 (ten years ago) link

hmv westfields (W12) had two tables of gadgets on wednesday when i went in. didn't look to see what exact gadgets they were but it's been a while since they were there.

koogs, Friday, 14 February 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link

The Truck store's the only dedicated shop in town. Lots of vinyl, mostly new stuff but there is a used aisle and a local section, so that's good.

It's a small shop but it seems to be doing OK - it has a coffee shop on the side which is always full of students, and I feel old when I go in there and look at the CD aisles, which the ~young people~ don't go in at all. I like vinyl but to me it's what you buy because it's cheaper than the CD, not what you buy for £26 per LP because limited edition heavyweight vinyl and probably still a crappy pressing because the good plants went bust a decade ago. (OK, off my soapbox.)

Meanwhile Blackwell's music shop moved across the road into the former map section and started selling a smattering of rock/pop but mostly pretty safe "classics", yer Dylan and whatnot.

I miss all those places Marcello mentioned...

not a player-hater i just hate a lot (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 14 February 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

HMV in Selfridge’s is now shut. I had the feeling this would happen after we went there last week and they had NO new releases in stock. Now the whole area has been sealed off like a sarcophagus.

The Bond Street HMV hasn’t gotten any better either. Full of bemused tourists with their luggage, elderly people and care-in-the-community types muttering loudly to themselves. It had nothing that we wanted to buy.

I don’t know that whoever was responsible for the HMV decisions realised how convenient and natural the Oxford Circus one was for a record shopping expedition – you looked in all the places in and around Berwick Street, came out on Oxford Street, crossed the road and there it was; the big finish. The Bond Street one is awkward to get to, and because TfL/Mayor Of LondOFF have “revamped” the bus stops in Oxford Street – i.e. gotten rid of half of them – even riding there on the bus involves a long walk which, being Oxford Street, becomes an arduous obstacle course. I actually had chest pains as a result of going there yesterday and so, for the good of my health if nothing else, I don’t think I’ll ever set foot in an HMV again. No wonder a recent shoppers’ survey found them to be nearly as bad as WH Smith (which was bottom of the list).

It’s a long, LONG way from what it used to be. But then sometimes I think that everything is.

Full of bemused tourists with their luggage, elderly people and care-in-the-community types muttering loudly to themselves.

Don't you hate it when mentally ill people visit your record shop?

Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Thursday, 19 June 2014 11:44 (nine years ago) link

LOL @ how much marcello cares about fucking hmv

online hardman, Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:12 (nine years ago) link

I think he's one of those care-in-the-failing-high-street-retailer types.

Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:49 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...
one year passes...

For those who cant click links at work etc

hmv vinyl week is almost here! Starting next Monday 13 June we will have great discounts on loads of vinyl albums ready for Father's Day.

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Manic Street Preachers: Everything Must Go (1000 copies on blue vinyl)

Various Artists: Let's Bop – Sun Records Collection (1000 copies on black vinyl)

Teenage Fanclub: Bandwagonesque (500 numbered copies on 'hmv pink' vinyl)

The Clash: The Clash (1000 copies on green vinyl)

Velvet Underground: Loaded (1000 copies on white vinyl)

Deep Purple: In Rock (1000 copies on marbled vinyl)

Alex Turner: Submarine OST (500 copies on 10” black vinyl)

Ben Salisbury & Geoff Barrow: Ex Machina OST (500 copies on frosted vinyl)

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All of the above are strictly limited edition vinyl titles available only at hmv, but as well as these exclusives we'll also be offering you the chance to get your hands on a selection of upcoming reissues weeks before they're available anywhere else, including:

Iron Maiden: Brave New World (first ever edition on black vinyl!)

Pulp: Different Class

Pulp: His 'n' Hers

Pulp: This Is Hardcore

Pulp: We Love Life

Laura Marling: Alas, I Cannot Swim

Laura Marling: I Speak Because I Can

30 Seconds To Mars: This Is War

Beastie Boys: Check Your Head (Deluxe Edition, Remastered)

Various Artists: Guardians Of The Galaxy OST (2 LP soundtrack & film score on black vinyl)

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 12 June 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

Beastie Boys: Check Your Head (Deluxe Edition, Remastered)

hmm wait tell me more

You might as well be 80 million Lena Dunhams. (stevie), Sunday, 12 June 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link

Solid Air doesn't feel like a coloured vinyl album, somehow

soref, Sunday, 12 June 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link

"Alex Turner: Submarine OST (500 copies on 10” black vinyl)"

How is this different than the normal edition 10" black vinyl that I bought years ago when it was a new release?

MrExplorer, Monday, 13 June 2016 05:54 (seven years ago) link

I was going to say "oh good, more overpriced reissues of 30-year-old albums on probably bad-sounding colour vinyl" but then stevie's post made me feel churlish so carry on

however, even though I acknowledge that most people my age have kids, I am still weirded out by seeing nostalgia for my childhood sold as Father's Day gifts. I recently followed a link for FD stuff expecting a bunch of idk leather wallets and antiquarian-map-print coasters or something and was all like "why would my dad want a bunch of plastic Star Wars figurines? that's MY generation... oh yeah, I remember, I'm old now"

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 13 June 2016 11:33 (seven years ago) link

I saw a teenage girl about a week ago, walking down the road with a Stone Roses album in a HMV bag.

Mark G, Monday, 13 June 2016 11:37 (seven years ago) link

haha would much rather my 2yo daughter 'bought me' a record for Father's Day (she 'did', for my first one - a copy of Margo Guryan's Take A Picture, which contains Someone I Know, which is 'our song' for me and my partner) than leather wallets or coasters. However this year I get the impression I am being bought a print of a Graun cartoon about a dad who forces his appalling musical taste on his child.

Oh baby, if only you knew / Gabnebb hit a hundred-and-two (stevie), Monday, 13 June 2016 11:59 (seven years ago) link

She certainly wont be buying you any Led Zep vinyl for you Stevie :)

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 13 June 2016 12:27 (seven years ago) link

hahahaha "No. No. Off."

Oh baby, if only you knew / Gabnebb hit a hundred-and-two (stevie), Monday, 13 June 2016 14:03 (seven years ago) link

best video ever

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 13 June 2016 14:08 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

On the brink of administration again. Get those vouchers used if you got any for Xmas!

boxedjoy, Friday, 28 December 2018 09:16 (five years ago) link

we saw an hmv in bury st edmunds the other week which felt a little weird tbh, thought they were already gone

imago, Friday, 28 December 2018 09:31 (five years ago) link

Ah, I was in hmv Newcastle just yesterday. The boxing day sale was nowt down, really. I bought a The Fall 2cd+dvd live set, from 2002 or thereabouts, remember hims this way etc.

Mark G, Friday, 28 December 2018 13:10 (five years ago) link

The one in Cheltenham is in a different place every year. Didn't buy anything.

Hoping this won't also take fopp down with it.

koogs, Friday, 28 December 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

just in time for Christmas bankruptcy

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 October 2019 09:00 (four years ago) link


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