Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Madchen, if only that were true, I would be so happy, but you have to look at the strengthening Imperial Lord Ferg has been doing, signing two of the world's best players on top of an outstanding squad, forming what has to be the best midfield in the world.

the top three this year will be

Man United

Liverpool

Leeds or Chelsea

But if Liverpool do win it I will be a very very happy Cabbage

cabbage, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Gotta go with Everton only because Liverpool are now the most boring team in the world. I saw them play Valencia last thursday and I had to leave the stadium after 30 minutes because it's a bit embarassing to fall asleep in front of a big crowd. My God, what useless bunch: 4577 passes between defenders, finally followed by one pass forward with the hope Owen finishes it.

Besides they won against Real Madrid in the '81 final so that makes them one of Satan's clubs (same with that bastard win against AS Roma in '84).

Omar, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Is that the Everton in Chile or the other one?

what has to be the best midfield in the world.

I was going to say something knee-jerk about Real Madrid's, but, no, I think cabbage is right. Still, Arsenal is surely still a better team than Chelsea. Lampard and Petit can't make that big a difference, can they?

scott p., Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

why are all you discussing corporate mainstream football anyway? you'd think music lovers would know that nothing good ever happened in a stadium. ditch the money grabbing sponsorship whores and get with the real gritty passion and feeling that can only be experienced at lo-fi local sunday league games. footie 4 real. long live plumley celtic.

kevan, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Scott, I have a gut feeling about Chelsea, based largely on the late surge they made at the back end of last season. They've also got rid of Wise, who was a disruptive factor in their midfield and brought in Lampard who I rate very highly, especially for his goalscoring. Ranieri might finally have got over his language problems too, which can only help. Also look at Arsenal's defence, Ashley Cole is coming through but who else? Keown isn't what he was, Adams is retiring and has Sulzeer been the same player since the 98 world cup? No, especially with his dodgy legs. I think Arsenal will be in the top 5, no more.

cabbage, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

liverpoool etc = manufactured boy-band sellout
plumley etc = indie lo -fi high-morality
subbuteo = free-jazz goth techno
all = zenith of human boring culture

mark s, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Mark S therefore != a dangerously gorgeous tomboyish girl, I'm afraid.

Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Those scummy gooners will get their comeuppance this season. Chelsea? I don't think Ranieri has enough control over the major players in their team. Liverpool and Leeds will push Man Utd closest especially if Leeds can get a good season out of Kewell. As for the mighty Spurs, I fancy us to get a uefa spot one way or another this season.

Jonnie, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Cabbage - you seem to be suggesting Evertonian hatred of the Red Filth began on a sultry May night in 1985. We've *always* hated them. I'd date it back to the moment EFC were forced out of Anfield in the 1890s and the new owners assembled a new team (almost entirely Scottish imports - they'd developed a passing game up north, eerily prescient of LFC's late 70s style) and had the cheek to name it after the entire *city*.

I know a fair few Blue-hating Reds - in recent years, they seem to have been most frustrated by our irritating inability to finally GO DOWN and be done with it. I suspect (last season apart - which I still feel is some long, awful nightmare from which I will wake to find myself in the Blue Bottle pub in Crystal Palace, with Birmingham City about to convert every one of their penalties) that this has caused them much more grief than LFC's post-Souness dalliance with the top six has upset Evertonians.

In that sense, Liverpool's dominance in the 70s and 80s has let the Blues off the hook; LFC are still expected to win things, EFC merely to avoid the drop.

I'm not remotely optimistic, btw. The Man City comparison is a fair one; our squad is the blackest comedy. I can't even see us emulating the performances of 95-96 (post-Cup victory, Kanchelskis-inspired attacking team, almost qual for UEFA) or the first half of 99-00 (Campbell and Jeffers aflame, goals galore), much less win anything.

I'll be devoting all my armchair energies to roaring LFC on to fourth position - in their Champions League group, natch.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

You're assuming they'll qualify, MJ.

Tim, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Tim: I prefer to imagine a long drawn-out Autumn of Misery for LFC, than some bizarre August reverse against some team of ten-year-old girls from Spitzbergen (or whoever it is).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

And a Spring of Joy for EFC, of course.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

As a Chelsea fan, I have a gut-feeling about the coming season too. Lampard, Gallas and Petit certainly strengthen the squad vs the now- departed Wise, Poyet and Lebouef, but is it enough? We have to learn to play as a team to succeed. If Gronkjaer is consistent, if Stanic and Le Saux stay fit and if someone other than Jimmy H can get goals, we'll probably be top 3, but my money is on 7th or 8th at Christmas, and Ranieri to be sacked in January.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Everton.

Ally C, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I dont feel as if I get quite enough attention oh this thread

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Dr C, you're relying on Jimmy Hill to score goals?

Madchen, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Here's to the mighty Gillingham -- my team, oh yes. I had Craig Brown of the Mission UK tell me to my face that I should be rights be supporting a team that actually gets somewhere, like his hometown squad of Leeds. I have taken this under advisement.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Liverpool FC = Dud, the Man U of my adolesence. Everton = OK, won the league in the '80's, now the final grazing place of ne'er do wells and ex-stars.

jel, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Ned: under no circumstances should you do anything as rotten as support Leeds - their players have been known to (allegedly) assault innocent townsfolk. Now, what used to bother me about Everton was the way everyone kept calling them a big club and proclaiming the fact that this year (the year being 92/3/4/5/6) they were going to make a go of it rather than crawling along the bottom of the division. Thankfully, that seems to have stopped and everyone has accepted they are a Southampton kind of club. In which case, I have no problem with them at all.

Mark Morris, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

They *are* a big club, and they *are* going to make a go of it some time soon. Surely!

the pinefox, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

"Everton are a big club" - This is also known as Manchester City Delusional Syndrome aka Wolverhampton Wanderers Cognative Dissonance. Can also plague fans of Tottenham Hotspur and even the odd troubled Nottingham Forest season ticket holder

Mark Morris, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

see also: Birmingham city (sleeping giants???)

Mike, I know that EFC fans hated Liverpool for years but from a few fans I sense that the bitterest grudge comes from not seeing that great side win the European Cup in 1986 or 1987.

But really what is the bitterest hate between footy fans? Is it Arsenal/Spurs? Rangers/Celtic? Sunderland/Newcastle? Real/Barca?

My vote: Boca Juniors/River Plate in Argentina, they don't fight in car parks, they have drive by shootings for crying out loud!

cabbage, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Cabbage: you're probably right about the Heysel thing. I certainly wasn't best pleased.

Mark: the whole 'big club' business. I remember being taunted about that in the early 80s - the difference now, I think, is that (post-Sky/Premiership) the 'bigness' of certain clubs is cemented in place a bit more firmly. The likelihood of EFC performing a relelgation-candidates-with-bulging-transfer-list (under Lee) to European-trophy-winners-full-of-internationals (under Kendall) five-year transformation *now* is minute. We missed the boat in the early 90s and, yes, there's not much difference between us and the Southamptons of this world now.

*Historically*, of course - there's no comparison between EFC and the other 'delusional' clubs you mentioned. 9 times champions, 5 FA Cups, most seasons in top flight, yada yada yada. All a bit meaningless, of course - this slump could easily last as long as the one post-WW2: by the early 50s, Dean, Lawton and Mercer were long-gone and EFC were in the 2nd Div.

I look forward eagerly to Ian Ross *once again* dragging out the 'School of Science' albatross in the Guardian on Mondays over the next few months, for a lame joke and a dig in the ribs of a club already on its knees. I know a Red when I read one.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Historically*, of course - there's no comparison between EFC and the other 'delusional' clubs you mentioned

OK I've seen the red rag and gone full tilt at it. What nonsense! Spurs were the first team to do the double in the 20th Century, the first british team to win a European trophy, only trail in FA cup victories to Man Yoo etc.etc.. I'm sure supporters of the other clubs could trot out similar stats.

Jonnie, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Huddersfield Town are a MASSIVE club, ok? we dominated English football about 50 years before i was born. SLEEPING GIANTS I TELL YA. NO, REALLY!!!! NURSE?!

gareth, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

*sigh* I knew I shouldn't have risen to Mark M's bait.

Fans will define success in which ever manner best suits their club's historical strengths; Spurs are obviously a great Cup team, who did something in 1961 which had previously been considered 'impossible' in the 'modern' game (unfortunately, the Double became pretty routine in the 90s). Forest fans will wallow in their club's European successes. Wolves fans might have a claim on their side being the best in Europe in the mid-50s (before Euro club competition), but might struggle to claim supremacy in even the West Midlands since. Man City deserve their special status simply for not being Man United.

I figured league titles is as good a measure as any: of the aforementioned clubs, Wolves have 3 titles (all won in the 1950s), City and Spurs two each, Forest one. Everton have nine, which puts us 4th in the all-time list behind Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal.

If those three clubs are the *biggest*, we can argue all day about who leads the chasing pack. There's a strong case for saying Leeds Utd, based on their decade of consistency under Revie. *Maybe* Spurs, with all those FA Cups. But Everton, with 98 seasons out of 102 in the top flight and those nine championships, would (surprise!) be my pick.

Not that we're about to close the gap at all...

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Today's Guardian: Derek Hatton: I WAS THERE WHEN EVERTON WON THE CUP WINNERS' CUP

Goodison Park was absolutely heaving.... I bought tickets in the main stand with the lads, despite the fact that I was leader of Liverpool City Council at the time.... the noise was just incredible.... [The goal by Trevor Steven] simply captured the brilliance of that team and the glory of watching them. He received the ball on the left and gracefully lobbed the goalkeeper from quite some distance. That moment was better than any amount of sec you can possibly imagine.... Steven's run and lob probably lasted six seconds in total, but it seemed like 10 minutes. It was all about the majestic manner in which he did it and the perfect timing.... Only he had the grace and flow of movement to produce a moment of sheer majesty that could encapsulate the team's brilliance.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 07:31 (11 years ago) Permalink


'sec' = 'sex', of all things.

Personally I think the goal was better than lots of sec, but beyond that I'm not sure.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 07:32 (11 years ago) Permalink


Question that looking at this thread again raises: has the gap between the 2 clubs closed at all since we discussed it? I think possibly it has.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 07:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ahh, perhaps one of my most favourite ever threads!

In a way yes, although Everton are still a loooooong way of challenging for the league. But they do seem better under Moyes (the only British Premier league manager who has a UEFA coaching license apart from Fergie who used his nefarious powers to make himself get one due to ten years in the job) than they were with Smithy. But results such as the one against Man City trhe other week will always count against them. Inconsistecy, that's the problem.

chris (chris), Monday, 9 September 2002 08:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

I come back to find the PF slating first Pynchon and now LFC. Is this a conspiracy? He naturally misrepresents the opposition which is more Z-Cars vs You'll Never Walk Alone. (PF's apparent hatred of LFC is probably a clinamenic swerve away from his unutterable distaste for the Gooners).

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 9 September 2002 08:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

I liked your crappo prediction for last year's champions, chris.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 9 September 2002 08:17 (11 years ago) Permalink


Also, I hate Kenny Glaldish, too.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 08:21 (11 years ago) Permalink


Actually I can only assume the Nipper is projecting his own fears for LFC onto others. Personally I haven't been so keen on them since May 1989.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 08:25 (11 years ago) Permalink


(That means: I would like it if they won the League. Or even the Premiership.)

the pinefox, Monday, 9 September 2002 08:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

my prediction least year was indeed, rub.

chris (chris), Monday, 9 September 2002 08:27 (11 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
Merseyside derby approaching... and when were the two clubs last as closely matched as this?

It's up for grabs now!

the pinefox, Monday, 25 November 2002 17:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

PF, the derby is always up for grabs. The pre-match media hype will of course concern Rooney, Rooney, Rooney whereas Owen will get a hat-trick.

Why haven't you been so keen on the greatest football club in the world since May 1989 then?

Venga, Monday, 25 November 2002 19:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

*There's an argument that says that the Auld Firm buy up all middling-good-to-great players of the lower SPL teams thereby helping to suppress competition and maintain the monstrous gap. Meanwhile they don't play the players. So they just take them away for spite/utility. Poss. then that the SPL would become a better league if the Auld Firm went south.

The league has improved quite a lot over the last two years though. I'm impressed.

Some people say that this is the last year before Celtic will need a major overhaul; this team is on its way out. I say that the team is over-staying by one year and that the re-jig should have occurred before 2002-3. In the summer lull. Thomson out, he's as much a chimera as Craig Burley (the Celtic edition), Sylla out (another example of * above), so many other people. Leaving the backbone: Larsson, Sutton, Hartson, Hedman, Mjallby, Lambert/Lennon axis. Build around that, with an eye to getting rid of one of the 2Ls.

- dwh.

dwh (dwh), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

Liked Bill Kenwright's line about changing the name of the Blues' website to WWWWWW.everton.com. And let's please have no more debate about who's going to replace David Seaman as England's #1. Ferchrissakes, how many clean sheets do you want?

I'm loving this little run, obv - but I expect it to end at Newcastle. I do genuinely expect us to be ahead of the red filth by the time The Golden Child signs that contract though. Of course, we'll start to slide in the spring - of course, we'll be mediocre again when the injuries come. But this is a far more impressive core EFC team than the one Royle took to Wembley and the top six in the mid-90s, or the free-scoring Campbell/Jeffers-led side that fancied a stab at a UEFA place for two-thirds of 99-00. Things have changed. Out of the Dark Ages at last.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 25 November 2002 23:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

And let's please have no more debate about who's going to replace David Seaman as England's #1.

CHRIS KIRKLAND. HAHA!

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 10:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

CHRIS KIRKLAND. HAHA!

Ooh, he might even get a game for his club now Jerzy Nolongerclassicek is flailing a bit.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 15:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

jerzy's still the man.

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 16:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Out of the Dark Ages at last.

False dawn!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 19:18 (11 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
hoo hoo

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 16 December 2002 03:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

I fear the derby now. Liverpool's appalling run surely can't go much further. They may very soon Bounce Back. In an ideal world, they'll be out of both domestic cups and 10pts off the title pace in a month's time, but I know I'm hoping for too much.

Losing to Sunderland though, sheesh.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 December 2002 07:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

Im enjoying Pool's bad run, but I think it will end with the Merseyside Derby. I think it will be the point where Liverpool AND Everton's seasons start to go in opposite directions, sadly. In fairness to Pool, they're not far off the pace, points-wise. Even Arsenal have lost four already, and I reckon the Gunners will end up winning the Premiership. But that's another story.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 16 December 2002 09:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

You could be right - at the moment, suspensions are far more of a worry to EFC's shallow squad than injuries, but they will come and losing Yobo, Gravesen, Radzinski, TheGoldenChild et al for any length of time will see us slide. I don't see us in the bottom half at any point, though.

I don't know quite what to make of the Liverpool slump - previous winter blips have always carried an air of inevitability about them, as if LFC were riding their luck a little to be where they were, and a rough patch balanced things up. This season, Liverpool could (and should) have won their opening 12 league games and yet now seem utterly bereft of ideas - the swing seems more extreme than before. Alan Green is not a man to be trusted, but he was scathing about both teams on R5 yesterday.

So, on the one hand, Liverpool seem ripe for the picking by an organised, fluent Everton side full of confidence. On the other, they're, erm, spawny gets who might not lose again until March.

I dunno. I plan to go on a long walk next Sunday.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 December 2002 12:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

What... to Anfield?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 12:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

Revival time...

Final whistle goes at Anfield in a match described by the BBC as "tedious". Of course, I was a great big knotty bundle of scrunched-up bags of entangled nerves, so no trip to a Sky-sporting pub or earphones blaring R5 for me... contented myself with housework, a couple of Sea and Cake LPs and the 'live text' updates on the Beeb's website.

Seemed like LFC edged it, Rooney hit the bar and there were a flurry of nasty tackles and yellow cards at the end.

Thank God that's over. Merry Xmas everybody.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 22 December 2002 18:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yes that is lovely. I can imagine Xabi helming a small fishing vessel around the Bay of Biscay.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://img.ly/fNa6

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

:'( at the xabi pic

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

come back xabi

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

He seems a great character as well as one of the greatest LFC players of recent years.

the pinefox, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://img.ly/bRGS

http://img.ly/hZod

http://img.ly/ewDs

aka xabi alonso is not a footballer

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lana Del Real.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

like it

Ismael Klata, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Gatsby Alonso!

the pinefox, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

he read the great gatsby, and for a decent portion of his time at lfc he could indeed handle it on a wet night at stoke, ignoring his first and penultimate seasons, and any bad results v stoke.

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Xabi Alonso ‏@XabiAlonso

Test de Lars Von Trier. Muy diplomatico. http://pic.twitter.com/wqu3qug2

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love the way he takes pictures of newspapers and print publications

in fact his photos remind me of my own

the pinefox, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

the pinefox, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

never could remember how that worked

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9107386@N06/4576205714/

the pinefox, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

he used to hold movie nights when at liverpool, i remember reading.

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 18 May 2012 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Describes Freamon from The Wire as 'boss'.
https://twitter.com/#!/XabiAlonso/statuses/25920290562

You're boss Xabi lad.

Chris, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

played gaelic football to a high underage level while on school swap cultural programme in meath iirc.

pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can imagine Xabi helming a small fishing vessel around the Bay of Biscay.

The accompanying tweet even reads 'With the skipper'. Uncanny.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

he was great at shooting from impossibly long range!

the pinefox, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

xabi has never been, nor would ever set foot, in meath

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 18 May 2012 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

an adolescent david villa once delighted a pub in cavan with his rendition of 'ra classics

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Carlos Puyol won the National Ploughing Championships in 1993

ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

is there something patronizing about celebrating atypical football players like xabi? like to not only refrain from beating up call girls, but to actually read books and drink coffee

hes clearly an intelligent, relatively thoughtful 30 yr old man, it shouldn't be so unexpected

navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which footballer was it who attempted to read Ulysses again? Something in my mind is telling me Kevin Kilbane but I'm sure that must be wrong.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 18 May 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

Everton FC are going to have a new manager for the first time since before ilx started.

Austere technicians of School of Science.

the pinefox, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think ILX predates David Moyes, it was created in the Walter Smith era.

Liverpool have had five managers in that time. Spurs have had eight.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22483636

tony conte clearly angling for the plum goodison role

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Internet's origins are pretty foggy afaict, but Utd are definitely about to get their first new manager since before The Web started.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 10 May 2013 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not so. Use the search function:

Another shocking display from United tonight - I think Big Ron's days in the job are numbered. And I suspect that one day in the distant future he'll accidentally broadcast some racist abuse.
- Ned Raggett, 4 November 1986 21:42 (26 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 10 May 2013 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's excellent.

I can't believe I was daft enough to say Moyes at EFC predated ilx -- he's been there for 11 years, I forgot that ilx was over 12 years old.

the pinefox, Friday, 10 May 2013 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think Kendall will struggle at Bilbao; Colin Harvey is the tactical brain in that partnership. I have no such fears for EFC - the squad is strong and with the impending addition of Barnes and Beardsley (where else would they go?) I can't really see anyone challenging us for the next few years. I think we may match LFC's 16 titles by the late-'90s!
- Michael Jones, 18 June 1987 17:55 (25 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Michael Jones, Saturday, 11 May 2013 12:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Everton 2-0 West Ham United

a fine first Toffee goal here: all passed along the ground, 'your Brazilian blend' (John Helm)

Fulham 1-3 Liverpool

Liverpool look increasingly dangerous -- seems they will do better next season.

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 May 2013 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am watching the highlights of the liverpool game, they don't look any great shakes in this one. but they have looked better lately (easy to play when their season has been over since whenever, though?)

i gave ten pounds and all i got was a lousy * (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 May 2013 23:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

I revive this thread to mark the high point of Liverpool FC's history since the European Cup victory in 2005.

Happily it is also a high point for Everton FC who I hope will finish in fourth place.

"Merseyside's rocking again" -- Martin Keown, this season

the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 12:35 (5 months ago) Permalink

Both sides are better than they've been in recent memory, and it's largely down to Swansea.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:02 (5 months ago) Permalink


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