"Boy, did I get a wrong number!" is a genius title.
― chap, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 11:30 (sixteen years ago) link
He's right about:
Jonathan Livingston Seagull (1971) Lost Horizon (1973) The Omen (1976
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link
the omen remake is way more LOL than the original, which is really zzzzzzzzzz
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
The Omen is a good bad movie tho. I'm gonna vote for Ivan the Terrible. I understand him hating something like Last Year at Marienbad, even if he's wrong and a dick.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 12:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Awesome in their own way :
Airport 1975 (1974) The Ambushers (1967) The Conqueror (1956) (John Wayne as Genghis Khan! Recommended) Dick Tracy vs. Cueball (1946) Eegah (1962) Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster (1973) The Horror of Party Beach (1964) King Richard and the Crusaders (1954) The Last Movie (1971) Lost Horizon (1973) Myra Breckinridge (1970) Robot Monster (1953) (Cocteau meets Ed Wood!) Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964) Solomon and Sheba (1959) Trouble Man (1972) Valley of the Dolls (1967) Zabriskie Point (1970)
wtf :
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974) Last Year at Marienbad (1962)
I guess they hadn't seen "Even Dwarfs Started Small" dept :
The Terror of Tiny Town (1938)
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually am I right in thinking that these books kick-started the Ed Wood revival, or was it something else?
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
Medved's an idiot
― Joe, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link
naming Ivan the Terrible and Last Year at Marienbad pretty clearly punches the Medveds' philistine ticket. (tho I can envision many ILXors laughing thru Ivan, which doesn't challenge the point.)
Valley of the Dolls IS fucking crap by any standard. (and Alfredo Garcia is close)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link
(as for Jerry Lewis, I haven't seen Three on a Couch in, oh, 30+ years, but I think Which Way to the Front? may be the most painful comedy of all time by a significant comedian)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link
but I think Which Way to the Front? may be the most painful comedy of all time by a significant comedian
Ha ha. What can I say, I laughed, several times!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
but in astonishment, i'm sure (a la Valley of the Dolls)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh no, I don't mind admitting to being puerile as all hell
― Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link
oh man, that scene where Jerry and Kaye Ballard are just sort of shrieking at ezch other...
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
are you people nuts, the Omen is fucking awesome
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
What's that nightmare where Zero Mostel yellows up to play a Japanese detective?
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
"Rhinoceros" with Mostel and Gene Wilder is abysmal too
― Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Even though I love Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia I've never been able to stay awake to the end of it.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
The Trial of Billy Jack
Americans, is this worth seeing?
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Why Americans?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I got the feeling the Billy Jack films used to turn up on TV a lot in the US, and virtually never here (UK), I could be wrong.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Anybody who hates Valley of the Dolls is ke-razy.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
The Last Movie (1971)
This is actually quite bad really, now I think about it.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:55 (sixteen years ago) link
But hardly one of the 50 worst films of all time
― Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Not in a world with 2 City Slickers movies.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Valley of the Dolls just *is* so much what it *is*, it's fabulous. Though not as good as the book.
― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm very fond of the book, don't think I've sat thru the whole movie.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Nicole, you're not claiming the intentional achievement of entertainment in VoD, are you? Aside from the theme song, maybe? cuz Patty Duke would disagree with you.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Valley of the Dolls can be hated or loved, it's all about Beyond the Valley of the Dolls anyway.
Actually they did a book about Hollywood financial disasters that was ok, although I think it was mostly written by Harry Medved.
Hollywood Hall of Shame, and on balance it is their best book, no question.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
"Rhinoceros" with Mostel and Gene Wilder is abysmal too-- Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:34 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
-- Tom D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 13:34 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Nooh.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Nicole, you're not claiming the intentional achievement of entertainment in VoD, are you?
No, but it is so singularly wonderful.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link
It would be if it didn't take itself so damned seriously (and the remake's even WORSE in that regard). The ONLY good thing about The Omen v1: that ridiculous Gregorian Chant bullshit that starts up every time that nanny gets sand in her snatch or Damian looks cross-eyed at something.
― David R., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link
ugh Gregory Peck.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I have only seen four of these: Myra Breckinridge (1970), The Omen (1976), Valley of the Dolls (1967), and Zabriskie Point (1970).
They all have some merit, though The Omen is a bit meh - there are plenty of better horrors. Valley of the Dolls I don't remember much about aside from it being quite a slight film, and as stated upthread, it will never compare to the genius that is Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. I did really like Zabriskie Point, but it's one of those films that I forget has a plot - I can remember images, but if it is actually about something then I certainly can't recall it. The winner will have to be Myra Breckinridge, purely for its absolute absurdity.
I really like the sound of Robot Monster, though. If I thought I could find it then I'd delay casting my vote.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's a clip from Robot Monster so you can decide for yourself, god I love this film so much.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
"According to my calculations there are still a few of you left!"
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
"ivan the terrible" is amazing.
"abraham lincoln" is one of d.w. griffith's last and most obscure films - v. weird choice!
IIRC "godzilla vs the smog monster" is kinda boring and not nearly as entertaining as the title suggests.
― J.D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I must, but I cannot.
― Brad C., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I cannot, but I must.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
anybody who can't feel the 'IT'S ALL FOR YOU, DAMIEN!' scene hates fun forever
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I am morbidly curious: what did Medved have to say about Ivan the Terrible?
Not everyone's cup of tea, I'm sure, but I have the Criterion DVD of it and remember watching one supplement that discusses the film's symbols, motifs, actions and how these are recur--sometimes in parallels or 'negatives'-- throughout the film. There is a strong psychoanalytic bent to it, if I recall--Eisenstein was interested in Freud's writings at the time. I also remember something about as the story progresses, Ivan's movements correspond to various animals, and his movements become more constrained so that by the end of the film, he is supposed to be a hawk (or something like that) and the only feature of his body that moves are his eyes.
Anyway, it's just amazing how much thought Eisenstein put into it.
― Joe, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
IIRC he mostly talked about how the French audiences thought it was boring. Read into that what you will.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
voted alfredo garcia over zabriskie point. overlooked robot monster somehow, might've voted for it. at long last love is what at long last killed bogdanovich's career right? nothing 'worst' about that.
― balls, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
alfredo ftw
― poortheatre, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
re Peter Bog: no, he made Nickelodeon after that before he got off the A-list, and there are so many worse flourishing today.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I think he concentrated on being a professional Friend of Orson after that.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
As I remember it Medved was sniggering at actors mugging and overacting in Ivan The Terrible, and also moaning about it being too long.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Alfredo Garcia is one of Peckinpah's two or three best, wtf Medved.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I just started the worst film poll btw.
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Myra Breckinridge (1970)
how is this even a contest!?
― remy bean, Tuesday, 25 March 2008 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
0
― Mark G, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy the film, and I certainly don't get why anyone would hate on it. But it's not a classic, it's just a bit of fun.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
A classic bit of fun!!!
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Hehehe, alright alright. It's still not as good as Myra Breckinridge.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I hate fun! ;_;
― David R., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Alfredo Garcia by a nose over some of the more enjoyable "bad" movies on this list (Terror of Tiny Town, etc.) Definitely one of Peckinpah's best and most disturbing.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
(fwiw Stalin was fascinated with Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible and meddled with it quite a bit, from what I've read)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
All I know about "The Ambushers" is that Tommy Boyce & Bobby Hart sang the rather groovy theme song
― Tom D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― ILX System, Thursday, 27 March 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
fwiw Stalin was fascinated with Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible and meddled with it quite a bit, from what I've read)
Kind of off-topic, but Stalin was also fascinated with those popular-songs-redone-using-dog-barks-for-all-the-notes records, and used to force people to dance to them, which is what popped into my head when I read this.
― James Morrison, Thursday, 27 March 2008 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
it must be so much fun being a tyrant
― latebloomer, Thursday, 27 March 2008 01:16 (sixteen years ago) link
The Last Movie is fantastic.
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Thursday, 27 March 2008 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Friday, 28 March 2008 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Whew. First time EVER one of my pics won.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 28 March 2008 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I think it's on the recent Pat Garrett DVD profile-doc where one of Peckinpah's colleagues perceptively calls Alfredo a self-indulgent piece of shit.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 28 March 2008 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link