"Escape From New York" - stupid film, but.... Classic or Dud?

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 09:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 09:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Easily Adrian Barbau's finest hour.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 10:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

100% Classic.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Classic for the "punk" dude
Classic for Harry Dean Stanton
Dud for inspiring "Escape From L.A."

udu wudu (udu wudu), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Classic for the "punk" dude

Watching it this evening, I could swear that guy is Michael Biehn, who'd later play in "The Terminator". IMDB disagrees, however.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

Picture this dude with big frightwig hair.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

I always thought it was the ratty guy who played Pieter de Vries in Dune. Hm.

, Saturday, 6 March 2004 13:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

"I got a plan... it's called... operation SAVE-ASS!"

"shit shit shit SHIT SHIT SHIT!"

(okay not 'escape from new york').

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 6 March 2004 14:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Escape From New York" is beautiful but only hints at the greatness that "Big Trouble In Little China" would be.

adam (adam), Saturday, 6 March 2004 17:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Most of Hollywood's best comic book movies were made from original material rather than adapted from actual comic books. Escape From New York is a classic of the genre.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 6 March 2004 17:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

this is a film that really SHOULD have had "down in the park" on its soundtrack. then it would've been PERFECT. and i am 100% serious.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 March 2004 18:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

I saw Escape From NY after They Live and Big Trouble and The Thing and found it pretty disappointing. But I'd be up for reappraising it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 6 March 2004 18:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Beyond Classic. Reading Alex's summary, I don't even understand the criticism. One of the great NYC anxiety films.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

the film is great. a perennial saturday-afternoon flick, as it were.

Kingfish Cowboy (Kingfish), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

great film! best viewed in a double-feature w/ the warriors.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

See, I was just thinking of that as a comparison point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh come now...."the Warriors" is SOOOO superior!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

"stupid film"?!?!?!?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 March 2004 00:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, isn't it? I mean, it's still great, but c'mon....TELL ME it's not stupid.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 00:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's amovie that tthinks with its dick. it's not stupid it's different

:|, Sunday, 7 March 2004 00:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

maybe alittle stuppid yes but manly stupid

:|, Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Totally classic. The sequel was rubbish because of the really stupid surfing scene.

Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, surfing is stupid.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 21:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

by the way, CLASSIC

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

You know, after the speech at the beginning, I was pretty disappointed by the Warriors too. Overhyped.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wrong. Twenty push-ups for that, Anthony.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

The bad thing about the Warriors is that their leader, the coolest one, gets killed right away.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but Swan takes over....and he's cool!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, Ajax gets himself arrested and humiliated by Mercedes Reuhl!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:28 (10 years ago) Permalink


In Riverside Park, no less.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone picked up the new Escape From New York DVD yet? Carpenter has a commentary track on it, but I was wondering if Russell was in on it too. Their commentary is the total highlight of the Big Trouble... and The Thing discs.

Also, EFNY is total classic.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love it on the Big Trouble commentary when they start yakking about their kids' efforts in hockey.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oooh...Carpenter commentary sounds great!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...
It's on AMC right now. Again.

i say this sheerly as an observation and without misogynist or sexist intent -- Adrian Barbeau's breasts were a thing of jaw-dropping splendor.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 02:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

Or were they two things?

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
Also John Carpenter totally has the mind of a twelve year old boy, which I intend as a sincere compliment.

I agree, and it's what I detest most about his movies.

EfNY is watchable, Russell is sexy (and doing a laidback Clint Eastwood impression), but sorry, the opening half-hour is even more deadly w/ the exposition than usual for Carpenter. And the jokey American Bandstand ending? Are we not sposed to take the second-reel "human survival hangs in the balance" w/ the president's summit meeting seriously? I prefer a hero with some non-solipsistic moral connection even in dumb stuff.

The head on the parking meter is the best laugh.

Snake Plissken (played in unintentionally hilarious camp fahsion by Mr.Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell).

You've gotta be kidding. KR ain't stupid.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, dude, have you ever seen captain ron?

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

The problem with Captain Ron is everything BUT Kurt Russell!

kenan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok that is a good point but agreeing to do that movie indicates a certain lack of intelligence. or that he owed a lot of money to someone.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

they can't all be Used Cars or Silkwood.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

no, captain ron is one of the worst movies i've ever seen, is the thing.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

i mean the pull quote on the box just says "FUNNY", i mean honestly with all the local station hacks willing to be bought in this world, the best they could do is "FUNNY"

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha Martin Short can suck the life out of anything, I'm convinced. He's a comedy vampire.

kenan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

Martin Short was fucking great on SCTV. Then it was time to earn.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

god i love this movie
and john carpenter
i feel like i have rediscovered something and it's changing my life all over again
and i'm not even a 12-yr-old boy!

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Personally I love Big Trouble in Little China, who's with me?

chap, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think this is my spring/summer of john carpenter (realized i've never seen 'ghosts of mars' or 'vampires' all the way through, so, hm)

i think it will rule

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

ernest borgnine and i have the same birthday

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Jeez, Rrobyn. I'm a Carpenter fan, but those are both terrible movies.

Oilyrags, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

Its aged really well, prob the best thing Carpenter ever did!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

This movie hasn't aged as well as Big Trouble in Little China or Halloween, but its pretty good, considering.

And Adrienne Barbeau's breasts are amazing to behold.

B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 17 December 2008 04:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

And Isaac Hayes' car is amazing.

B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 17 December 2008 04:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think it's a part of many St. Louisan filmlovers' development to see this as a kid, just dig it like any other wacky movie, find out it was shot all downtown because downtown looks like a post-apocalyptic New York, rewatch it, and fall totally in love with it.

Seriously, I've known at least people who've gone through this cycle.

en i see kay, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 05:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

at least six people

en i see kay, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 05:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

Just watched this for the first time as a followup to doing BTILC the other night (see thread). It's...okay? Like, it cleaves so close to being the world's most generic dystopian craphole movie (I'm thinking of MST3k fave City Limits here), just a string of terrible cliches...but then there's this great supporting cast, who really do elevate the hell out of this: Lee Van Cleef is awesome, Ernest Borgnine is charming, Isaac Hayes is basically cool, and Harry Dean Stanton plays the sleazy treacherous guy like a sleazy treacherous guy who's had all the sleaze dried out of him in a few years of living in New York.

Soundtrack's sweet too. So I guess what didn't click for me was either the plot (great premise, but the episodes went up to 5 when they needed to go up to 11) or, sad to say, Kurt Russell, who looks and feels like he's cosplaying the character. Maybe it's just after watching BTILC, where he gets so much more material to work with, good lines, some jokes...here he just wheezes and grunts his way through the scenes. I still basically want to see him escape from New York but I'm not cheering when he does.

So, based on the above, should I keep following Russell & Carpenter down the Netflix rabbit hole? I get the impression Escape from LA is to be avoided at all costs...

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah this film has a lot going for it but it manages to squander way too much of that. there's a lot of neat stuff that shows up and just kind of fizzles out b/c carpenter didn't seem to know what do with it, plot-wise. this is true of a bunch of other carpenter movies: they live (which like escape from n.y. has a climax that feels very rote), the thing (ditto)... not to mention the horrible crap he made in the 90s and 00s.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

like walter hill (a more unusual and somewhat better director IMO), he peaked early.

assault/halloween vs. the driver/the warriors??

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 10:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Eh, I don't think Carpenter peaked early. He had a pretty much 100% successful run of movies from Dark Star to at least Big Trouble, or maybe They Live. That's nearly 15 years and 10 or so movies. I think it's more accurate to say that after such a strong run, he fell hard.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd even go so far as In The Mouth of Madness, with the mis-step of Memoirs of an Invisible Man in between that and They Live. After that, though, ugh.

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mouth of Madness is okaaaay, and then yeah, massive drop after that. They Live is the last 'can be watched and enjoyed many times' Carpenter.

I didn't learn my lesson until paying to see Escape from LA *AND* Vampires in the theater...I was such a fangirl I kept hoping it would get better. But it really, really didn't. *cries*

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also Vampires is the reason I hate James Woods to this day.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

banning amateurist...damn no ban button. banning alex in nyc in retrospect too for being such a dope.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

banning me for what? i didn't say all his '80s films suck. some of them are pretty damn good, if flawed. big trouble is probably the best of the lot. but they do seem like a dropoff to me from assault/halloween which are unfuckwithable.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually i think i was just taking alex's thread title and first post out on you. he's not around, i have to ban someone!

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

plus, i love this movie.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pissed that Netflix has this streaming in pan and scan.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

and i really like later walter hill movies too. trespass, wild bill, last man standing, crossroads, johnny handsome, streets of fire, red heat, extreme prejudice.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm actually more of a fan of streets of fire than i am of the 48 hours movies. though the first 48 hours is good.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

though my fave three came out three years in a row: warriors, long riders, and southern comfort.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

and speaking of walter hill, would watch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_to_the_Head

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

banning alex in nyc in retrospect too for being such a dope.

Why don't you go gargle with a bag of your own filth?

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

ALEX!

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

If an eyepatch and camo pants is wrong, I don't want it to be right.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is the weakest of the Carpenter/Russell troika but it is still great. Carpenter had an amazing 15 year run - Josh in Chicago otm about that. Even stuff like the Fog and They Live are loads of fun.

Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

oof i should have known better than to summon the grouch.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is kind've the second worst thread title ever

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

watching this now - so many plot elements lifted from neuromancer!

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh wait according to wiki it's the other way around

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

gibson has acknowledged the film's influence iirc

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread title fucking infuriates me btw

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

agreed. there is nothing stupid about this film that the film itself isn't aware of.

filthy dylan, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 00:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

the other thread only has like 5 posts :(

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

revolver with a scope + unlimited bullets has got to be one of the best movie weapons ever

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

you know what is surprisingly entertaining and competently written? the novelization of this movie.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:14 (2 years ago) Permalink


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