Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

xp Most $1 vinyl bins I shop in not only don't divide stuff by genres, they're not even alphabetical! And that makes them more fun.

The people who say Jay-Z's next album will be the indie-rock equivalent of his collaboration with Linkin Park seem less crazy by the week.

logically arranged $1 vinyl bins are $1 vinyl bins that tend to suck for some reason

Dollar bins -- yes, those are fun. What if a place like Amoeba did it with their regular stock, though?

i like the idea. but i'm an omnivore.

Who buys regular stock? (Well, some people I guess.)

i'm gonna start a rumours section in my store. nothing but nice copies of rumours. and a roxanne section. i've got about 12 roxanne answer records. just waiting to get a few more.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I would love it. At least for browsing purposes. I like music from more than one genre, so I could flip through and find anything I liked rather than bouncing form this section to that section and back. And, if the alphabetical order was strictly and consistently maintained, it still wouldn't be hard to find a specific item - you just might need to flip a bit longer.

roxanne section. i've got about 12 roxanne answer records. just waiting to get a few more.

Send me some, scott!

logically arranged $1 vinyl bins are $1 vinyl bins that tend to suck for some reason

Because everything good has already been ferreted out.

(Way off topic, but the compilation I want to hear more than anything, damn near, is "The Complete Roxanne Chronicles.")

i've got roxanne's doctor, parents, boyfriend, brothers, sister, um, there are a lot.

well yeah but i mean even accounting for that they suck more imo. maybe it's just that $1 bins are supposed to be a total mess and trying to organize them ruins the fun. amoeba just throws a few thousand records into a pile and lets the hermits sort them out.

I think the hap-hazard bins scare away lots of people, though. So they haven't been sorted through nearly as much.

amoeba just throws a few thousand records into a pile and lets the hermits sort them out.

;_;

OTOH I just realized that Antone's $1 bin here is sort of alphabetical (maybe 75% of it anyway), and Breakaway is vaguely alphabetical (divided by letters), with the r&b, jazz, folk, country, etc, separated from the "rock." And I always find tons of stuff at both places. So maybe my theory is wrong.

He would (have) enjoy(ed) shopping at a record store with no genre/style distinctions, everything A-Z, then?

HI DERE

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"Gucci's skills include a somnambulant flow, an intoxicating enthusiasm for vocabulary, and an adenoidal taste in beats from the South's best producers."

I thought I knew what the word adenoid meant, but I don't understand what it means in the context of the sentence. Can someone explain?

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what Fennessey's getting at there...

Ease off, he's just got an intoxicating enthusiasm for vocabulary.

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ilxor, did you see one of nabsico's Tumblr posts from earlier? you were quoted.

an enthusiasm for vocabulary without a strong command of it doesn't count for much, imo.

Ease off, he's just got an intoxicating enthusiasm for vocabulary.

would this not involve knowing what words mean?

that's the intoxication part

Ease off, he's just got an intoxicating enthusiasm for vocabulary http://www.thesaurus.com

xp Exactly.

It makes his writing vibrant and different and fun.

he's the canibus of rock critics!

it's true, his verbal acrobatics are consistently on display

he kicked me in the groin and stuck me for my vanguard award :(

he said i started it

It makes his writing vibrant and different and fun.

― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:25 PM Bookmark

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dont mock him for knowing the word "adenoid"

call him cultured

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Ya know, I seriously thought maybe there was a definition or reference or something I just wasn't picking up. I even looked it up in my dictionary just to make sure.

I mean, we've all done it.

I got curious about the combo of the "name the bands formed after 1989 that are both critically lauded and not indie" thing up there and the notion that all of a sudden these lists are way more indie

by my count, these are the only rock records to place in the top p&j top 40 that weren't a) loosely indie-friendly ("covered by pitchfork" was the easiest and quickest way I could skim that)* or b) made by baby boomers:

2002: none
2003: none
2004: none
2005: SOAD
2006: MCR
2007: Against Me!
2008: none
2009: none

* and as said before, extending this definition to all genres nearly absorbs all of the past four or five years' worth of lists under the banner of "indie-friendly" regardless of genre. Indie audiences and writers for what is derided as "indie" sites are listening to and forming consensus around the same metal and r&b and pop and hip-hop records getting voted into these lists.

Another example: A bit more than 10 years ago, when RS made its 90s list, it split the choices into categories-- alternative, rock, hiphop/r&b, dance/pop, with slight nods to box sets, blues, world, country (http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/rstone.html#Recordings%20of%20the%20‘90s) (I would guess this was a balls-less move to avoided confronting their audience with the idea that the rock records weren't necessarily the best ones). Ten years later and their decade list is ranked, the slight nods are slighter, and it's basically the same as the last decade except without the rock. (http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/rs200.html#00_09decade) "Rock" was relegated to basically a handful of boomer records. On the RS list. SOAD is the only the non-boomer, non-indie guitar record there.

I just don't understand how this is still a surprise to people.

* and as said before, extending this definition to all genres nearly absorbs all of the past four or five years' worth of lists under the banner of "indie-friendly" regardless of genre. Indie audiences and writers for what is derided as "indie" sites are listening to and forming consensus around the same metal and r&b and pop and hip-hop records getting voted into these lists.

fair point buuuut i'd imagine this has more to do with you diversifying your staff (ie hiring the finneys and drakes etc of the world) rather than the same people canonizing GADPY all agreeing on electrik red and gucci

I think this argument is really about, "C'mon, Animal Collective? Really? They're kinda mediocre, aren't they?"

sure but electrik red and gucci* aren't the consensus picks on pazz and jop any more than they are on pitchork. in fact, hell, both of those records placed higher on the p4k poll than on the p&j one, we just didn't print full results. 40% of the burrprint voters in p&j are on our staff currently; and three of the nine p&j ER voters have logged decent time as p4k writers.

Scott, I don't know if this is true, but I'd like to believe people are just annoyed Animal Collective, Dirty Projects, Phoenix, etc emerged as the consensus best album of the year, and the most obvious people to blame for that consensus forming is p4k.

It's like; look, top 10 in p4k and in J+P look almost exactly the same but p4k came out first. I wonder if they're to blame. But then you're like, "Yeah, but we cover other stuff." But that's not addressing people's thing at all really. Because lol you didn't put Gucci at #1, did you?

I guess the question then becomes "but for Pitchfork, would P&J this year look any different??"

I'm leaning to "no" - Pitchfork has played a big role w/r/t the development of what you might call the mainstream-indie-sensibility, but I don't think that it wouldn't have happened anyway had the website not existed.

mordy i don't think anyone was genuinely complaining about pitchfork, more p4k's consensus influence and every other writer biting their taste

Well, yeah. But people were also complaining that the consequence of letting all the p4k writers vote is that the P+J poll looks like the p4k poll.

i think you guys are putting the cart before the horse here

animal collective was entertainment weekly's album of the year. we should maybe be decrying the EW halo effect...

I mean these albums were gonna be popular even if Pitchfork dropped off the face of the earth in December 2008

Everyone made their mind up about Animal Collective like WEEKS before pfork ran their review, Pfork REFLECTS a current critical mood more than it SHAPES it