Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

xp yah i mean i have other issues w/r/t people not recognizing sales which we've talked about before -- i think that purely from a journalistic standpoint ppl dont have a very good grasp on how popular things are & what the shape of pop music really is, and that this affects the way they talk about music & how music outside their comfort zone is treated -- its easy to marginalize music that doesnt claim the center if its outside of the genres you usually pay attention to.

i don't know who GIRLS are!

i think that purely from a journalistic standpoint ppl dont have a very good grasp on how popular things are & what the shape of pop music really is

Need it be purely from a journalistic standpoint? It's hard to conceive of any true definitive statement from anyone from a creator to a consumer, it's more a constantly shifting battle of claims.

it also effects the rhetoric people use around music's "importance" -- [x] is the first album to do [y] -- in a way that can be very misleading. the example that used to drive folks nuts in hiphop was how a lot of writers saw clipse as the creators of 'crack rap,' -- it would have been fine if the writing was covering the critical phenomenon of covering rap about crack but instead it was ostensibly about the music itself, which ignored that rapping about crack had never gone away, and in fact had a much more popular & significant incarnation in no limit & master p's "ghetto d," which was certainly a much larger influence on rap as a whole.

i think it's a really important part of being a cultural commentator, especially now when consumers and fans can retreat easily and comfortably into their own tastes to the exclusion of everything else, to cover as wide a range as possible of other experiences and perspectives

influence & importance are not always reflected by critical recognition, or are in certain ways but not others, but this is not recognized & leads to very misleading rhetoric around music

i think it's a really important part of being a cultural commentator, especially now when consumers and fans can retreat easily and comfortably into their own tastes to the exclusion of everything else, to cover as wide a range as possible of other experiences and perspectives

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont agree with this. isnt this exactly what the whole frankendance bmore/baile/disco/crunk gross club scene is based in?

"All these ways we classify things as r&b and hip-hop and rock . . . It's bullshit," he recently told Elvis Mitchell in Interview. "It's all music. If you put yourself in that box, then you won't be able to hear that it's all music at its soul. When people say stuff like, 'Oh, that's soft rock. I don't listen to that,' I find that elitist. It's music-racist." Just another made-up tag to avoid.

Jay Z OTM

commentators should do it, artists mostly shouldn't!

xp

"think it's a really important part of being a cultural commentator, especially now when consumers and fans can retreat easily and comfortably into their own tastes to the exclusion of everything else, to cover as wide a range as possible of other experiences and perspectives"

how'd the new slayer album grab you?

i think thats totally wrong lex, but more to the point, impossible

Scott, why didn't you vote for Kid Sister????

other people had heard of that one

saw kid sister @ my fav bar monday night
she was rapping along to "back in the day" by ahmad

i guess it didn't turn out to be one of my ten favorite albums of the year. i liked it a lot though. watson twins album will definitely be on my next ballot. for next year. i think some people have heard of them.

i mean, i definitely thought of the kid sister album when i chose what i chose. but i heard SO much amazing stuff this year. it was hard to pick ten.

but...but...but...

KId Sister - Ultraviolet - Album Of The Year?

i think thats totally wrong lex, but more to the point, impossible

i meant more w/r/t editorial policy than individual critics, and if we could stop turning everything i say into a referendum on me, that would be nice

allmusic guide is the place for u imo

i chose that thread title, chuck, cuz i wanted people to listen to the album. it's like a newspaper headline.

I'm a bit confused as to how well known the-dream is. I know he's produced some major songs and artists but outside of ILM and a few other places I never hear of (or from) him. Is he played much on MTV or BET?

he's pretty popular, if not superstar-level -- most of his solo singles have been in the top 5 of the R&B chart, both of his albums have gone gold, a lot of rappers have gotten him to appear on their singles in the past couple years.

and he's on MTV and BET pretty frequently

look at the (insane) conclusion being drawn here:
http://www.byroncrawford.com/2010/01/the-top-10-rap-albums-of-2009-according-to-the-top-697-music-critics.html

thanks for the info. xpost

"All these ways we classify things as r&b and hip-hop and rock . . . It's bullshit," he recently told Elvis Mitchell in Interview. "It's all music. If you put yourself in that box, then you won't be able to hear that it's all music at its soul. When people say stuff like, 'Oh, that's soft rock. I don't listen to that,' I find that elitist. It's music-racist." Just another made-up tag to avoid.

He would (have) enjoy(ed) shopping at a record store with no genre/style distinctions, everything A-Z, then?

hey, what conclusion can we draw from a list that tells us that 2 of the 3 'best' rap albums of 2009 are sequels to undeniably superior albums from 1995 and 2001, other than that it's the god's honest truth?

He would (have) enjoy(ed) shopping at a record store with no genre/style distinctions, everything A-Z, then?

Sometimes I think I would! There's a local store around me that has an "indie" section and a "rock" section and is incredibly lazy and inconsistent about filing things, so you constantly have to hop back and forth to see if they have something particular.

I've said it before: on this issue you can never trust aging stars losing popularity/status within their "scene" and aiming at commercial crossover to make up (or even exceed) the difference. Jay-Z's comment blatantly means, "hey rock fans, I like you and Chris Martin, and Chris Martin likes me, logically therefore you should too!"

xp Most $1 vinyl bins I shop in not only don't divide stuff by genres, they're not even alphabetical! And that makes them more fun.

The people who say Jay-Z's next album will be the indie-rock equivalent of his collaboration with Linkin Park seem less crazy by the week.

logically arranged $1 vinyl bins are $1 vinyl bins that tend to suck for some reason

Dollar bins -- yes, those are fun. What if a place like Amoeba did it with their regular stock, though?

i like the idea. but i'm an omnivore.

Who buys regular stock? (Well, some people I guess.)

i'm gonna start a rumours section in my store. nothing but nice copies of rumours. and a roxanne section. i've got about 12 roxanne answer records. just waiting to get a few more.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I would love it. At least for browsing purposes. I like music from more than one genre, so I could flip through and find anything I liked rather than bouncing form this section to that section and back. And, if the alphabetical order was strictly and consistently maintained, it still wouldn't be hard to find a specific item - you just might need to flip a bit longer.

roxanne section. i've got about 12 roxanne answer records. just waiting to get a few more.

Send me some, scott!

logically arranged $1 vinyl bins are $1 vinyl bins that tend to suck for some reason

Because everything good has already been ferreted out.

(Way off topic, but the compilation I want to hear more than anything, damn near, is "The Complete Roxanne Chronicles.")

i've got roxanne's doctor, parents, boyfriend, brothers, sister, um, there are a lot.

well yeah but i mean even accounting for that they suck more imo. maybe it's just that $1 bins are supposed to be a total mess and trying to organize them ruins the fun. amoeba just throws a few thousand records into a pile and lets the hermits sort them out.

I think the hap-hazard bins scare away lots of people, though. So they haven't been sorted through nearly as much.

amoeba just throws a few thousand records into a pile and lets the hermits sort them out.

;_;

OTOH I just realized that Antone's $1 bin here is sort of alphabetical (maybe 75% of it anyway), and Breakaway is vaguely alphabetical (divided by letters), with the r&b, jazz, folk, country, etc, separated from the "rock." And I always find tons of stuff at both places. So maybe my theory is wrong.

He would (have) enjoy(ed) shopping at a record store with no genre/style distinctions, everything A-Z, then?

HI DERE

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"Gucci's skills include a somnambulant flow, an intoxicating enthusiasm for vocabulary, and an adenoidal taste in beats from the South's best producers."

I thought I knew what the word adenoid meant, but I don't understand what it means in the context of the sentence. Can someone explain?

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what Fennessey's getting at there...

Ease off, he's just got an intoxicating enthusiasm for vocabulary.

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ilxor, did you see one of nabsico's Tumblr posts from earlier? you were quoted.