Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

I personally would've loved if he titled it CRANK DAT RAEKWON.
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The kids would've loved it.

deej: good point about him having been killing it for a while prior, but I don't think it really translated to the album

gucci would have been higher if dude didn't split his vote between 17 mixtapes

with no critical on which was the best

My disinterest (beyond being annoyed at mediocrity from an artist I've liked a lot in the past) probably boils down to the fact that I've never been to or particularly cared about going to New York.

The NYC boosterism has nothing to do with why I like it.

oh come on. do i have to go in & count how many people voted for him?

as far as i can tell, two of his mixtapes got votes, and his one album. also, one random dude voted for a mixtape from 2008. i doubt there were even 12 ppl voting for gucci long players

xxxp to whiney

What works for me is that "Empire State of Mind" could conceivably be about ANY mega metropolis, EVEN with the very NY-specific references and such. Plus, the emotions it conjures aren't exclusive to NY. Any city you love makes you feel like that.

its a good song bcuz of alicia but it never really resonated w/ me in a big way. i think its an odd #1

Grizzly Bear, "Two Weeks" **
Warp

if this song isnt about total recall then fuck indie rock imo

http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D070902/ny_running110902_ap.jpg

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someone needed to inform this woman that the head is not the #1 body part associated with the word "bean"

I guess someone needs to inform me, too. And Merriam Webster's should fix that fifth definition.

xps: gawwwd, the idea of "LEEETTTSHEARITFORSEAAAATTTTLLLEE" makes me even more nauseous

lol jordan

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― J0rdan S., Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:28 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he wasnt taking the bait in the gucci thread \o_O/

i mean, you were being monster stupid on the swag thread coming up with some weird inverse critic venn diagram sitch where for every writer that cosigns drake a gucci loses his wings. And then some dude called me psycho on the hugitout thread. I'm just pretty much gonna let this one lie

nah i just needed to i-told-you-so after yr shit about all the hipster critics who were overrating gucci cuz it really was you being a vayjayjay about admitting you just didnt agree with those of us on ilx who talk about him

the essay about the-dream is really self-defeating in the way that it glosses over electrik red in one sentence by saying that it provides "cheap thrills" but finds ample space to chide people for not being totally up on the-dream

the same year that he got a feature 4-star review in rolling stone magazine

can someone find the 08 results? i want to see how many ppl voted for his first album

wanna say it placed in the 50s

really? i wanna say it placed in the triple digits. i think there were at most ten votes for it or something but i could be imagining that

or #91, rather

ayo glenn can you do something like you did here?: Pazz & Jop 2008

thnx 2 noz for finding one of the funnier ballots to vote for 'trap goin ham'
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/685700

*smh*

lol @ one of the comments being on the douchiness of "actually". get this dude on 77

uh deej that allison stewart vote is kinda awesome in way that I simply cannot put into words.

wait is that
http://blacksnob.com/storage/msnbc_alisonstewart-big.jpg

I hope so, she has hotness and we could have a totally awesome platonic but flirty relationship while listening to "White Lies".

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/686367

interesting list

snoop dogg smh .gif @ empire state of mind

I kinda disapprove of any votes for Daniel Merriweather's "Impossible".

its forks. what can u say.
dap for voting "own step" though, i dig that song

Lady Gaga had three singles in the top thirteen and scored votes for seventeen (!!) different songs (and nine of those seventeen were received multiple votes). There has to be a P&J record in there somewhere, right?

lol I've only just seen these. thanks, australian open, for distracting me. horrendous. get better taste, critics.

btw, i hate it when people justify their love of "empire state of mind" by citing its huge hook, as though a) we didn't already know that it has a huge hook - it doesn't exactly hide this, b) no other songs had huge hooks in 2009. i mean yeah there's a hollow power there but one of the TEN best songs of the year? i mean, no way. even its boosters mostly admit that jay-z is shit on it!

and you know, if you want big alicia keys drama, she did "try sleeping with a broken heart" herself in 2009 too.

biffed in the bean by Julian Casablancas's microphone stand

i don't think they're doing pazz and jop this year. budget cuts.

― scott seward, Friday, November 6, 2009 11:24 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if only

hi guys! What's an empire state of mind and how can I buy one?

My annual whine--Not enough critics who listen to stuff other than indie rock participate in the Pazz & Jop poll. The P & J poobahs every year say they reach out to be fully inclusive with the electorate, but it seems some folks who write about non-indie can't be bothered to be part of this or are somehow unaware of the poll. I've tried to encourage fellow writers in the past, but did not do so this year.

^^this is becoming my regular whine too.

on the plus side, great essays from maura, chuck and rich juzwiak.

I think the indie-centric nature of the list has been overstated a bit ... I see a lot of fashionable consensus picks at the top (e.g. Phoenix, Animal Collective) but a fairly wide variety of genres represented on the list overall.

I usually complain about the lack of techno on the list, but I understand that it's a fringe genre when you look at the big picture, and am generally happy to see which two or three other people voted for the albums I picked. This year, the dance music hivemind picked Joy Orbison (#20 on the singles list), and even though I'm ambivalent about that single, I find it more interesting to study the consensus that forms within a fringe genre than the consensus that forms around Phoenix being in the top 10 in every publication.

Glenn's stats mash ups...

All idols 2009
http://www.furia.com/all-idols/2009/
"All·Idols is an autopsy of the album ballots from the 2009 Village Voice Pazz & Jop critics' poll. For All·Idols purposes all ranking and point-weighting is ignored; a vote is a vote."

Winners · All Albums · Similarity · Kvltosis Voters · Centricity · Similarity

including:

Most Eccentric Voters
0.000 Kerry Dexter
0.000 Nana Brew-Hammond
0.000 Todd Burns
0.000 Viva Las Vegas
0.000 William Ruhlmann
0.001 David Royko
0.001 J Poet
0.002 Angela Sawyer
0.002 Scott Seward
0.004 Justin Farrar
0.004 Ken Roseman
0.004 Nathan Birk
0.005 Stewart Voegtlin
0.006 Carol Cooper
0.006 Glenn McDonald
0.007 Miles Marshall Lewis
0.008 David M Snyder
0.008 Phil Freeman
0.009 Mike Wolf
0.010 Anthony Mariani
0.010 Bryan Reesman
0.012 Jace Clayton
0.012 Will Romano
0.013 Eric Arnold

I think the indie-centric nature of the list has been overstated

It's not overstated at all, because it's never happened before, not even close. (But yeah, as I said in my essay, the list gets somewhat less Pitchforky -- and slightly less indie -- past the Top 10. But I doubt the Top 40 has ever been near this indiecentric before, either.)

Surprised nobody else has noted that there are three metal albums in the Top 25 -- which is far and away the best showing for metal in Pazz & Jop, ever. I mentioned it in passing in my essay, but I would have thought that would have deserved an essay of its own. I guess not.

Love Scott Seward's ballot -- for all I know, he made all of these albums up -- but I'm kind of sad he didn't vote for Kid Sister!

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/685429

And here's one reason Lady Gaga got so many diverse singles votes:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/685630

was pazz and jop published early this year? as the official Stats Guru/Savior was Glenn McDonald

No, it wasn't published early, I actually did the data-correction and tabulation for real this year, not after the fact. (You can read more about that here if you're interested.)

Matthew Schnipper's ballot originally contained 10 votes for Girls, not just the one.

The-Dream got only 8 votes last year.

Here's a consolidated Gucci Mane report, and a similar one for Lady Gaga.

And as always, I'm happy to try to do any other extractions or calculations that anybody wonders about.

notice the ilm joke about GAPDY consensus it's statistically proven

GAPDY in order APYDG

http://www.furia.com/all-idols/2009/index.html

# votes album
1 154 Animal Collective · Merriweather Post Pavilion
2 139 Phoenix · Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
3 114 Yeah Yeah Yeahs · It's Blitz!
4 108 Dirty Projectors · Bitte Orca
5 106 Grizzly Bear · Veckatimest

The explorable version of the poll data here has several more views on it, including this voter-overlap for the top 10 albums...

btw, i hate it when people justify their love of "empire state of mind" by citing its huge hook, as though a) we didn't already know that it has a huge hook - it doesn't exactly hide this, b) no other songs had huge hooks in 2009.

Obviously everyone knows it has a huge hook. I'm not saying that as a nudge, like "hey did you ever notice this hook?" I'm just saying that that's a big part of why I like the song -- which I thought was worth mentioning in response to people criticizing the song for its lyrics or general attitude. Also, I agree with you that other songs had huge hooks in 2009. Some of those songs I like better than "Empire State of Mind," some of them I don't like as much.

The poll and comments are boring (Maura's excepted), the way people are down on r & b and think a bad year is sign of a greater trend. TOO NEGATIVE and why would you want all that negativity when you are buying music. Also I personally was underwhelmed by a lot of artists at the tops of these polls.

Seems to me a lot of people are still having trouble wrt internet and music. I don't see why the internet is such an obstacle for some people, back in the old days, most people relied on RADIO to get their music, conceptually the internet isn't much different, it's just that the variety is much greater.

I consume music on the internet in much the same way I consumed it when I was a kid: flipping the dials, if I am sick of one style, I go to another one. This poll seems so press-oriented and out of touch with how most people get their music these days.