Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

lol @ 2009 header being up & having a link up to the 07 poll (?)

My comments weren't printed; you can read them here.

I had a comment printed (on lol Animal Collective)

also: on lol Adam Lambert.

Hoison/jaymc, you left out Girls, which makes 7. Ties a record; I wrote about it in there somewhere.

Ah you're right.

I actually just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure this out! Should've just read your essay first, xhuxk.

But since I've got the stats on hand, these are the years in which there was a lot of overlap between the singles and albums lists:

2009, 1987 (7 songs in the top 10 singles were by artists in the top 10 albums)
1984 (6)
2000, 1994, 1991 (5)
2004, 1993, 1988, 1985, 1983, 1980 (4)

favorite ballot: http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/684580

good comments unperson.

it's funny i was thinking of a list of all-decade albums if i was actually a rock critic or something and a surprising number of them were local minneapolis bands that pressed in quantities of <1000, like just people i know and stuff but make great music IMO...and part of it was just tied to having had the bands be more a part of my life like seeing them on a regular basis

miles marshall lewis needs a 77 invite

I liked metal thread denizen J3ff T's comments on the futility of it all.

though i am glad ol' man raekwon got on the top 10

It's almost reassuring that this is the worst consensus of my lifetime.

idk i'm too young to really have a deep emotional connection with michael but that ballot is a bit OKAY WE GET IT *APPLAUSE* for my taste -- it's like a ballot that justin timberlake would've sent in

2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.

Anyway, I've got theories. First off: Lazy indie voters turning a fun exercise into a dutiful one by listing random "singles" off albums they also voted for are the new version of lazy AOR voters who used to vote for perfunctory tracks off albums they also voted for.

I don't think it's as random as you think, xhuxk. I think these days, it's much more obvious what the "singles" are from indie-rock albums, because they're the promotional mp3s that labels release in advance of the album, they're the songs that Pitchfork posts on its Forkcast, they're the videos that make it onto countless blogs, etc. All of this online chatter codifies certain songs as the ones to pay attention to, and I bet there are even people who voted for Grizzly Bear's "Two Weeks" without even having heard the album, just because that's the one that you could download for free on the band's website, or that's the one that was recommended by NPR's All Songs Considered blog, or whatever.

For the record, Miles Marshall Lewis' original ballot had three entries, all of them Thriller, but I caught it.

MML's Sly and the Family Stone 33 1/3 is a fun read.

Hi Maura!

Hoison/jaymc, you probably have a point. But it doesn't really explain the overlap between the album and singles top tens. It would be less pathetic if there were different indie bands on each list -- which is what's always tended to happen in the past, historically, in this poll, with indie rock and every other kind of music.

(waving)

My "centrality" was .008 (#679 of 692).

MML's Sly and the Family Stone 33 1/3 is a fun read.

― forksclovetoFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU- (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:51 PM Bookmark

^^ love that dude

good article, xhuxk

It's almost reassuring that this is the worst consensus of my lifetime.

reassuring to me that it's my least-centric ballot ever. i only had two things in the top 100 (jay reatard #79, nellie mckay #94). and my #1 vote for nels cline secured him a 200th-place finish, yay.

seems to me the boring consensus problem is the result of most balloteers just not having heard enough albums. it'd be interesting to see sum comparative stats on the distribution of mentions across the list. seems the number of albums released and those actually listened to by critics are going in opposite directions.

It's almost reassuring that this is the worst consensus of my lifetime.

reassuring to me that it's my least-centric ballot ever.

My albums (final position): Koze (245), Art Brut (75), Quik & Kurupt (62), Tanya Morgan (185), Hyperdub 5 (143), Fiery Furnaces (99), A-Trak (one vote), BMSR (132), Bloody Mary (one vote), Syran Mbenza (818).

(I do wish they'd collate the ties a little more clearly, but BELIEVE ME I KNOW what a pain in the ass that is.)

Albums — Votes For How to Be a Lady, Volume 1
Marcello Carlin
Tom Ewing
Steve Kiviat
Frank Kogan
Alex Macpherson
David Moore
Jordan Sargent
Julianne Escobedo Shepherd
Al Shipley

sup ilx

the results are absolutely atrocious but tbh i'm pretty excited to read the essays. more than a few could be interesting

The Dreamer essay doesn't really get to his appeal at all. If I wasn't already a fan, I wouldn't find it convincing.

really liked xhuxk's essay, but this singles list is seriously abysmal.

soderberg voting for bp3 is depressing too

and wavves, wow, wtf from one of my fav critics

This might be a dumb question, but how much of Pazz and Jop does the Village Voice include in the print version? Do they print all of the ballots they received, just the names of those who contributed to the poll, neither, something else entirely?

They have a print edition? (Haven't been to NYC in a couple years.)

usually they print the results, comments, essays and a list of the voters (not their ballots -- that's an online-only feature).

Cool. Would someone mind grabbing a copy and sending one to me in the mail? If it's no trouble, of course. It's kind of silly, but it's a real kick to have my name printed in the Village Voice.

THE FACT I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO VOTE FOR "GUTTER MUSIC" (Starkey featuring Durrty Goodz) IS SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Do they not automatically send you a copy of the print edition anymore? I guess they probably don't in this economy.

idk how "empire state of mind" became the year's critically coalesced huge pop single & not "blame it"

anyone who thinks the former is better is obv retarded but i'd guess it has something to do w/ the stars, jay & alicia are way safer rockcrit picks

it's almost as if people were looking for another signature song about fuckin' new york

I don't for a second understand why non-NYers can begin to give a shit about that song.

dude, that song is a fucking tourist trap. my mind is blown that any New Yorker thinks of it as anything but corny garbage

Voting "Empire State Of Mind" is like getting your picture sketched in Times Square

Yeah, as I said elsewhere, it's a chart-topping pop song featuring two well-regarded personalities that became a minor cultural phenomenon and that most everybody seems to like, or at least not mind too much.

whiney otm

smh @ this http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/1519966

a vote for 'empire state of mind' is a vote for a-rod. THINK ABOUT THAT.

xpost

looks like schnipper slept on music in 2009

Do they not automatically send you a copy of the print edition anymore? I guess they probably don't in this economy.

― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:40 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think u can just request it tho

smh @ this http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/1519966

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

coincidentally his videotaped interview with project pat is one of my least favorite things of the year

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/pitchfork-editor-takes-public-forum-defend-its-greatness-i-think-you-underestimate-how-much-bigger-we-are/

wtf

Music critics Chuck Eddy, Christopher Weingarten, Maura Johnson, Scott Seward, Ned Raggett and others offered their assessments of the poll

...I did?

Go nuts.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:41 PM

^^

Now the whole internet knows how much Ned loves polls!

Thrills.

@ekaloudis, a combination of Quantcast data and cross-referencing/relative size data from other public data sources (Compete, et. al.)

P&J parallel: 2009 vs 1990

The-Dream = Guy

Maxwell = Neville Bros

not sure what you mean by "parallel". the-dream and max did considerably better in 2009 than those two in 1990, and the Nevilles had a top 5 p'n'j album the year before.

just that they filled v similar niches

i guess, though the neville brothers were far more of a critics band, with little to no pop/r&b chart action

Roots-rock-type voters way more likely to go for Nevilles than Maxwell - no comparison at all, as far as I can tell.

Somebody speculated, somewhere, that since the voting instructions for the first time this year didn't spell out the 15-14-13-12-11-9-8-7-6-5 weighting pattern, there would be a lot more unweighted 10-points-each album ballots. This didn't turn out to be the case, but I was waiting for a minor display-bug in the stats software to get fixed before adding the point-pattern breakdown to my list of slices. It's there now, for anybody really interested in numbers:

Point Patterns

Thanks for reading my blog, Scott & Christopher ;-)