well lookee here
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
1 Animal Collective, Merriweather Post PavilionDomino Points: 1794Mentions: 1542 Phoenix, Wolfgang Amadeus PhoenixGlassnote Points: 1463Mentions: 1393 Neko Case, Middle CycloneAnti Points: 1201Mentions: 1064 Yeah Yeah Yeahs, It's Blitz!DGC/Interscope Points: 1199Mentions: 1145 Dirty Projectors, Bitte OrcaDomino Points: 1169Mentions: 1086 Grizzly Bear, VeckatimestWarp Points: 1073Mentions: 1067 The xx, xxYoung Turks Points: 977Mentions: 938 Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Part IIIce H2O/EMI Points: 857Mentions: 859 The Flaming Lips, EmbryonicWarner Points: 681Mentions: 6510 Girls, AlbumTrue Panther Points: 652Mentions: 6311 Mos Def, The EcstaticDowntown Points: 613Mentions: 5912 St. Vincent, Actor4AD Points: 573Mentions: 6213 Fever Ray, Fever RayRabid Points: 551Mentions: 5314 Maxwell, BLACKsummers'nightColumbia Points: 525Mentions: 4915 The Avett Brothers, I and Love and YouAmerican/Columbia Points: 497Mentions: 42
(this will surely look a mess when I submit the post... but damn, what a lazy top 15)
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Lots of overlap between the albums/singles top 10: six songs in the singles top 10 (Animal Collective, Grizzly Bear, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Dirty Projectors, and Phoenix [x 2]) come from albums in the albums top 10. That's gotta be a record, no?
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i feel robbed of the fact that no one associated w/ ilx got the inevitable dream essay
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 January 2010 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link
The The-Dream essay mentions that he got the highest point-average. The lowest (among albums with 10+ votes) was the Decemberists.
More stats:
http://furia.com/all-idols/2009
Even more, and the whole data-set in the system used for tabulating it this year:
http://www.needlebase.com/pj2009
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Hoison/jaymc, you left out Girls, which makes 7. Ties a record; I wrote about it in there somewhere.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Crazy Cousinz, This Is UK Funky House, Vol. 1Warner Points: 5Mentions: 1
:(
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Already read Chuck Eddy's essay complaining about too much indie rock in the top 40. Thought I'd show y'all where my all-Latin ballot turned up in the total.
Bebe - #1384 (I was the only vote)Graciela Beltran - #1207 (me on my own again)Bomba Estereo - #501 (one other person voted for them)Don Omar - #1387 (alone again, naturally)Girl In A Coma - #645 (one person with me on this one)Natalia Lafourcade - #180 (THREE other voters!)Paulina Rubio - #1093 (just me)V/A - Si, Para Usted: The Funky Beats Of Revolutionary Cuba Vol. 2 - #654 (two votes)Los Tigres del Norte - #599 (two votes)Wisin y Yandel - #616 (two votes)
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I think these are the worst P&J results I've ever seen.
― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i think that was the worst phil freeman post i've ever seen
― forksclovetoFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU- (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link
For some reason I'm shocked to see that many "more eccentric" voters than Scott Seward.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link
The fact that Ryan Schrieber is the 5th-most centric voter says everything you need to know.
― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link
rev otm
anyone have any comments?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i like xhucx's essay about how boring and predictable the results are
― Na'vi Girls (Need Love Too) (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @ 2009 header being up & having a link up to the 07 poll (?)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link
My comments weren't printed; you can read them here.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I had a comment printed (on lol Animal Collective)
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
also: on lol Adam Lambert.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Ah you're right.
I actually just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure this out! Should've just read your essay first, xhuxk.
But since I've got the stats on hand, these are the years in which there was a lot of overlap between the singles and albums lists:
2009, 1987 (7 songs in the top 10 singles were by artists in the top 10 albums)1984 (6)2000, 1994, 1991 (5)2004, 1993, 1988, 1985, 1983, 1980 (4)
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link
favorite ballot: http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/684580
― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link
good comments unperson.
it's funny i was thinking of a list of all-decade albums if i was actually a rock critic or something and a surprising number of them were local minneapolis bands that pressed in quantities of <1000, like just people i know and stuff but make great music IMO...and part of it was just tied to having had the bands be more a part of my life like seeing them on a regular basis
― Na'vi Girls (Need Love Too) (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link
miles marshall lewis needs a 77 invite
― Na'vi Girls (Need Love Too) (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I liked metal thread denizen J3ff T's comments on the futility of it all.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
though i am glad ol' man raekwon got on the top 10
― Na'vi Girls (Need Love Too) (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
It's almost reassuring that this is the worst consensus of my lifetime.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
idk i'm too young to really have a deep emotional connection with michael but that ballot is a bit OKAY WE GET IT *APPLAUSE* for my taste -- it's like a ballot that justin timberlake would've sent in
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
― Na'vi Girls (Need Love Too) (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyway, I've got theories. First off: Lazy indie voters turning a fun exercise into a dutiful one by listing random "singles" off albums they also voted for are the new version of lazy AOR voters who used to vote for perfunctory tracks off albums they also voted for.
I don't think it's as random as you think, xhuxk. I think these days, it's much more obvious what the "singles" are from indie-rock albums, because they're the promotional mp3s that labels release in advance of the album, they're the songs that Pitchfork posts on its Forkcast, they're the videos that make it onto countless blogs, etc. All of this online chatter codifies certain songs as the ones to pay attention to, and I bet there are even people who voted for Grizzly Bear's "Two Weeks" without even having heard the album, just because that's the one that you could download for free on the band's website, or that's the one that was recommended by NPR's All Songs Considered blog, or whatever.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
For the record, Miles Marshall Lewis' original ballot had three entries, all of them Thriller, but I caught it.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link
MML's Sly and the Family Stone 33 1/3 is a fun read.
― forksclovetoFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU- (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Hi Maura!
Hoison/jaymc, you probably have a point. But it doesn't really explain the overlap between the album and singles top tens. It would be less pathetic if there were different indie bands on each list -- which is what's always tended to happen in the past, historically, in this poll, with indie rock and every other kind of music.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
(waving)
― maura, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
My "centrality" was .008 (#679 of 692).
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
― forksclovetoFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU- (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:51 PM Bookmark
^^ love that dude
good article, xhuxk
― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
reassuring to me that it's my least-centric ballot ever. i only had two things in the top 100 (jay reatard #79, nellie mckay #94). and my #1 vote for nels cline secured him a 200th-place finish, yay.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
seems to me the boring consensus problem is the result of most balloteers just not having heard enough albums. it'd be interesting to see sum comparative stats on the distribution of mentions across the list. seems the number of albums released and those actually listened to by critics are going in opposite directions.
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
reassuring to me that it's my least-centric ballot ever.
My albums (final position): Koze (245), Art Brut (75), Quik & Kurupt (62), Tanya Morgan (185), Hyperdub 5 (143), Fiery Furnaces (99), A-Trak (one vote), BMSR (132), Bloody Mary (one vote), Syran Mbenza (818).
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
(I do wish they'd collate the ties a little more clearly, but BELIEVE ME I KNOW what a pain in the ass that is.)
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Albums — Votes For How to Be a Lady, Volume 1Marcello CarlinTom EwingSteve KiviatFrank KoganAlex MacphersonDavid MooreJordan SargentJulianne Escobedo ShepherdAl Shipley
sup ilx
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link
the results are absolutely atrocious but tbh i'm pretty excited to read the essays. more than a few could be interesting
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
The Dreamer essay doesn't really get to his appeal at all. If I wasn't already a fan, I wouldn't find it convincing.
― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link
really liked xhuxk's essay, but this singles list is seriously abysmal.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
soderberg voting for bp3 is depressing too
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link
and wavves, wow, wtf from one of my fav critics
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
This might be a dumb question, but how much of Pazz and Jop does the Village Voice include in the print version? Do they print all of the ballots they received, just the names of those who contributed to the poll, neither, something else entirely?
― rennavate, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link
They have a print edition? (Haven't been to NYC in a couple years.)
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 04:53 (fourteen years ago) link
usually they print the results, comments, essays and a list of the voters (not their ballots -- that's an online-only feature).
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Cool. Would someone mind grabbing a copy and sending one to me in the mail? If it's no trouble, of course. It's kind of silly, but it's a real kick to have my name printed in the Village Voice.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link
THE FACT I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO VOTE FOR "GUTTER MUSIC" (Starkey featuring Durrty Goodz) IS SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON THE ENTIRE WORLD.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link
"i'm scott brown and i approve of the hairy bears. i mean grizzly bear!"
http://thepoliticalclass.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b6e9e8970b0120a791e534970b-pi
― scott seward, Sunday, 24 January 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously, I'm tired of people using red-vs-blue state bullshit
Oh man, I was gonna say LOL about your Obama purple state thing until I realized you're sick of bullshitters like me.
Removing the red state joke from it, Grizzly Bear are too wimpy and respectable for me. I'm sure plenty of smart people like them and they're great at what they do, but for me personally, it's barf city bro.
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 24 January 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link
would people who like those records really choose not to vote for them because of ILX stigma? if so that's pretty fucked up.
― some dude, Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:43 (18 hours ago)
my ballot was probably somewhat influenced by this. not that i'm shy to vote for them because of people hating on them, but more that even though i love GADY a lot (not huge on P) i voted largely for albums that i was exposed to through ilm this year, and not so much other places. i think a lot of people who post as little as i do still vote in the poll, and i do feel a certain responsibility not to obscure the results away from being representative of the albums that were actually a big deal here. it would be kind of lame if dozens of lurkers all voted GAPDY and then those ended up all being top ten, since they're not all necessarily albums that were widely loved by the actively posting crowd. i still voted dirty projectors, and nominated a few albums that i'm sure no one else voted for, but there was definitely an element of strategy to my ballot.
― samosa gibreel, Sunday, 24 January 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
kornrulez supports one of my claims that people on here dont' like it for my reason #1, they don't like the bio or how they look. Wimpy is an obnoxious reason to hate a band, but it's still a reason.
Also, the "I loved yellow house" but couldn't motivate to listen to the new one is strange to me. Not sure I follow, if You love an album wouldnt' you want to check out the latest one?Knee jerk reaction to hype/exposure if you ask me. People on here are too self aware.
― Emily's Cheese, Sunday, 24 January 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
how they look.
If the hair's wrong, I am more skeptical, sure.
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 January 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
hey, less pop garbage than usual this year, huh? good work, kidz.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link
how many haven't you heard!?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
tops is Mt Goats at #80!
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link
pissed jeans?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link
saw em, didn't hear the record (ditto Grizzly Bear & YLT)
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link
& godawful Wilco
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 04:30 (fourteen years ago) link
kornrulez supports one of my claims ...they don't like the bio or how they look.
I'm sure their bio is dynamite stuff. And no doubt they're all handsome young lads. But in refute to your presumptuous (some would say bratty) assumption, I'm basing my opinion on how they sound.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm about a week late to this, but re: the relative size of Pfork to other sites/blogs: here are some approximate monthly stats for some of the more well-known sites:
(Audience/Pageviews)---------------------Pitchfork: 1,500,000 / 30,000,000Hypem: 1,300,000 / 12,000,000GVSB: 85,000 / 485,000Fluxblog: 17,000 / 50,00099.9% of remaining blogs: way lower
Stereogum keeps traffic data private, ditto for Brooklyn Vegan, but I estimate those at about:
Stereogum: 1,250,000 / 6,000,000Brooklynvegan: 750,000 / 4,500,000
― Catbird (mbvrc), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Catbird, where'd you get those numbers from?
― ekaloudis, Saturday, 30 January 2010 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/pitchfork-editor-takes-public-forum-defend-its-greatness-i-think-you-underestimate-how-much-bigger-we-are/
wtf
― ksh, Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Music critics Chuck Eddy, Christopher Weingarten, Maura Johnson, Scott Seward, Ned Raggett and others offered their assessments of the poll
...I did?
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Go nuts.― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:41 PM
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:41 PM
^^
― ksh, Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Now the whole internet knows how much Ned loves polls!
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Thrills.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
@ekaloudis, a combination of Quantcast data and cross-referencing/relative size data from other public data sources (Compete, et. al.)
― Catbird (mbvrc), Saturday, 30 January 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
P&J parallel: 2009 vs 1990
The-Dream = Guy
Maxwell = Neville Bros
― zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
not sure what you mean by "parallel". the-dream and max did considerably better in 2009 than those two in 1990, and the Nevilles had a top 5 p'n'j album the year before.
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
just that they filled v similar niches
― zvincter (The Reverend), Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess, though the neville brothers were far more of a critics band, with little to no pop/r&b chart action
― da croupier, Saturday, 30 January 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Roots-rock-type voters way more likely to go for Nevilles than Maxwell - no comparison at all, as far as I can tell.
― xhuxk, Saturday, 30 January 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Somebody speculated, somewhere, that since the voting instructions for the first time this year didn't spell out the 15-14-13-12-11-9-8-7-6-5 weighting pattern, there would be a lot more unweighted 10-points-each album ballots. This didn't turn out to be the case, but I was waiting for a minor display-bug in the stats software to get fixed before adding the point-pattern breakdown to my list of slices. It's there now, for anybody really interested in numbers:
Point Patterns
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 12 February 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks for reading my blog, Scott & Christopher ;-)
― ederblog, Saturday, 20 February 2010 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link