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rumors have it one of them is moving to Portugal, so I wonder how much they'll be doing together in the future.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

but the noise is by the by! thats the whole thing, the old stuff was just as accessible

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

prima otm

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

shorter songs and obviousness is a pretty poor understanding of "poppier"

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

word

― duke letter, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

they played to like 20 ppl here and everyone liked it.
un-beleivable live. great albums. prefer here comes to danse manatee.

peace,
a

― andrew jones (andrew jones), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

heard four songs of theirs now and my reactions range from vague interest ('penny dreadfuls') to active dislike ('you could win a rabbit').

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

the one time i listened to sung tongs outside, as the sun was going down, drinking a beer, half falling asleep, it sounded GREAT. the rest of the time, less great, but still pretty good. if it's "pop" anything it's the "pop" version of campfire songs, but what made that record so good was how long the songs all went on for, droning into each other.

i still think they've yet to top spirit... to be perfectly honest.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Campfire Songs" might be the greatest nap album of all time.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

agreed. i was listening to it every night before i went to bed for a long while there in the fall.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

i saw them last friday and they were fantastic, definitely well worth going to see them. but i'm probably not going to go tonight as i am teaching in cambridge all day and will be tired. but we'll see.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

is there a nonantagonistic way of saying i find the occasional "u gotta be in the right mood" apologism a bit suspect? here comes the indian made me feel that way, not the other way round. i will make the effort to here spirit... tho. 'you could win a rabbit' sux 4real. i'm not sure i get where fluxblog's coming from at all. come to think of it strike 3 on my sophomore slump fauxpop hitlist might be fiery furnaces! my indie operatives darkly grumble something about fatboy slim. but i'm reserving judgement on them for now, u know what indie ppl r like after all

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

What am I missing with these guys? I'd rather just listen to the Wicker Man soundtrack.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

i find the occasional "u gotta be in the right mood" apologism a bit suspect

Agreed, but no more suspect than "it sounds great on a spring night driving on the highway with the windows rolled down." What *doesn't* sound great then?

And music that's "right for every occasion or mood" probably sounds like eggshell wallpaper.

― Evanston Wade (EWW), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

epilogue: haha i did go see em that nite, but everyone stood me up so i ws alone and sad and thus the gig was like woooooooo! ironing huh. but er objectively they were terrific, and they can do it acoustic too. they oughta lose the scary rabbit head prop if they don't totally want to be the donnie darko soundtrack band tho

― prima fassy (mwah), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

new video:

http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/amcollective_small.mov (8megs)
http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/amcollective_large.mov (20megs)

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

be sure to watch during your lunch break

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

that's not the innocuous suggestion it appears to be, it's a trap!

― duke barf, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Eat y'self fitter!

― sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

i kept waiting for it to get weird, and then it did.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

Eat y'self fitter?

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

sell sell sell

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

You're too smart for here:

― sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 18:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wot's a computer?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Eat each other?

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I said-ah G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O-H-O-9-O-G-O-H-O

― SexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 19:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

there's another, live video hidden on the fat cat web page, show's 'em playing "winter's love" with a segway into the "she's gonna have a baby" chant. it's about six or seven minutes i reckon.

www.fat-cat.co.uk/animal_web.mov

it's nice!

― naturemorte, Saturday, 15 May 2004 04:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

So I've been listening to AC lately and I like them and everything, it's nice, but I'm also thinking that this is kinda Phish for people who hate Phish. Something about the combination of cuteness and twiddlyness (granted, they're production/sound geeks instead of virtuoso jam geeks, but that's what I mean about being for people who hate Phish). And even though people who hate Phish might like Animal Collective, I bet people who love Phish would like them too.

― spittle (spittle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

and/or they're Sigur Ros if Sigur Ros was from Brooklyn or wherever Animal Collective is from...

...or they're the Polyphonic Spree for noize dudes...

...or the Moldy Peaches for Laurie Anderson fans...

― spittle (spittle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

spittle, rolling stone said the exact same thing about ac and phish in their review of sung tongs.

― tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

i'm having some conceptual trouble reconciling their jam bandiness with my hatred of all things jam bandy. as you suggested, the sound/production angle let's me pretend that it's the processed semi-formless noise that i'm responding to and not the noodly bongo strum bits but i'm not sure i believe myself. that said, i can only really get behind a relatively tiny portion of their output

― m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

i see them as what would happen if the Beach Boys had taken loads of acid in the monkey house at the zoo. i don't like to think of them as a jam band in any way whatsoever.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

I got more of a Phish vibe from the last Black Dice album. The spacier (non-Hawaiian-sounding) guitar parts really remind me of Phish's more ambient stuff.

― Holla back Trey, Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

b-b-b-but they don't jam!

― Bbeta, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the phish comparison upthread leads me to believe that person has has heard neither phish nor animal collective.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm confused, too, especially if that's being leveled w/r/t Sung Tongs: the parts of the album I like best I like best almost entirely because they're so coherently-crafted -- despite, you know, sounding like they wouldn't be. (It's the distance between "meow, kitties" as a Kogan-style "free lunch" throw-in and "meow, kitties" as a composition!)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

the panda bear album leaked on slsk the other day... it sounds like what i imagined
animal collective would sound like by the way people describe them -- whereas animal
collective themselves seem to remain more or less indescribable (in alternately good and
bad ways).
i'm going to go see them at the echo in LA this weekend... anybody seen this tour yet?
playing with black dice... last time i saw black dice they sounded like lightning bolt
which i wasn't in to... what should i expect from both camps?

sung tongs is describable i guess.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

they are selling the panda bear cd/album (well this is his 2nd record) on this tour for $10.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

hm. then am i thinking of an avey tare solo record? someone's father died and an
album was recorded memorially... that's what i knew... i had trouble placing this panda
bear record... which was s/t, as that album, by the sound of it.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

yes the one you describe is the one they are selling.

panda bear's first album is long OOP (the first Animal Collective related release? 1999?) and very hard to track down material copies of.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

There are 2 Panda Bear records. An old one that I hear he's kinda disowned, pretty good indie/krauty/home recorded electronic pop stuff, and the new one Young Prayer which is out in september but promos are out now and they're selling them at shows I guess. I haven't listened to it yet.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

their music's more powerful than your pollution.

(nb: this is a more general point, I don't like nu-AC.)

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

"moldy peaches for laurie anderson fans" sounds perversely great.

― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

my dad finds it deeply distressing that with my record collection i still have no space
in my heart for laurie anderson... though i did use the 'sorry.... i'm not home right now....'
bit for my answering machine for a while. i think that that was the sole reason my dad
re-extended his offer to pay for school for me (after i fucked up. a lot.).

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

did see the Bowery show on the tour. for once, AC is not playing ahead of their records (in that they retire the songs after their proper release). BD was malevolent in their loudness. after seeing them twice with tripping visuals (Forcefield for one, Ken Jacobs for another), i really feel they lack without it now.
you should pick up "Wastered" though. nice stuff.

― BbetaA, Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

black dice would have been better with visuals last night. I did like them though. animal collective I did not (much); everything I did like about them I get out of listening to trout mask replica or something at home.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

"...almost entirely because they're so coherently-crafted..."

this is true (about most everything they've done) but what i'm beginning to realize is that not everyone can discern this. obv some effort is required i suppose, but some people are in the swing of looking for at least new-seeming twists in music, having unearthed a lot already, so it's not "effort" exactly. it's a seeking out of surprise on one hand, but also an ability to recognize when an actual surprise has reared up.
others who aren't so inclined generally just refute this whole premise outright, see it as off-putting pathology etc. but usually they have little else but cute scoffing exercises to run through and tend to like to leave it at that. gold-medal cutesy types you know them. i want to feel transported, not inducted into an unserious pavilion of snark, personally.

― duke abscond, Friday, 27 August 2004 00:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

b-b-b-but they don't jam!

Right, well, hence the "for people who hate Phish" qualifier. Their noodliness is of a more intellectual sort. They're conceptually noodly.

― spittle (spittle), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

See, I'm not sure how anyone could listen to e.g. "Leaf House" (which, as always, is the track I'm thinking of) and not hear it as pretty much as structurally coherent as the average pop song: its parts all lock together in a seriously "composed" way, and the way that they move from one to the other is probably even more deliberately crafted than the average chart track. Which is a feeling that, for me, seems to follow through most of that record, apart from a couple specific "mood" tracks that were likely more loosely constructed. I've actually spent time wondering how their writing process for this record might have worked -- the sound would seem to imply that it was sort of pieced up from nothing, with no particular outcome in mind, parts added where they fit and etc. -- but there's just too much stuff in there that belies that particular framework.

― nabisothingy, Friday, 27 August 2004 01:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

black dice would have been better with visuals last night.

you should think twice before you say something like this. last night's show had a mostly lit loft with a few colored lights and a chandelier above the bands. the fucking dumbshit dj thought he'd be cute (i think he actually thought he was doing a good job) by flicking the lights on and off. it wasn't ever even in rhythm or during exciting moments.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

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