I turned my monitor upside down and tried reading that again and it still sounded like someone threw the silverware drawer down the steps.
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
6/8 = ONE two three TWO two three 12/8 = ONE two three TWO two three THREE two three FOUR two three
so wait, what's the difference between 12/8 and just going 'ONE two three TWO two three ONE two three TWO two three'? HOW CAN YOU TELL, aside from actually looking at the written music?
― asey, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Radiohead have a couple - Subterranean Homesick Alien and Nude, maybe more.
― chap, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link
12/8 and 6/8 sound a lot alike, depends on where you draw the bar line in the written music, like you said. In fact, most people would say "This Boy" is 6/8, not 12/8.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link
My text rendering of the time signatures didn't quite do them justice -- the difference between 6/8 and 12/8 is like the difference between 2/4 and 4/4. The former has two beats, strong and weak. The latter has four beats, strong, weak, medium, and weak. 12/8 is the typical meter for doo-wop music. I don't have a recording of This Boy handy, but in my Beatles book it's notated in 12/8.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Beach Boys - Let the Wind Blow Beatles - Baby's in Black Nilsson - 1941 Stereolab - One Small Step XTC - 1000 Umbrellas
― mumpsimus, Monday, 16 June 2008 04:43 (fifteen years ago) link
A 1/3 of Give It To You - Jordan Knight would qualify here. -- Barima (Barima), Tuesday, May 4, 2004 11:55 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link
Seconded
― Tape Store, Monday, 16 June 2008 05:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Mull of Kintyre- WingsI actually learned to waltz to this one.
― JesseJane, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Sea Song by Doves
― alternative ballroom, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
The Beach Boys: Disney GirlsWeezer: My Name Is JonasThe Corrs: RunawayThe Eagles: Hollywood WaltzRazorlight: Los Angeles Waltz
― jorgybear, Saturday, 11 September 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
'Waltz' by the Mekons, from The Curse Of The Mekons, is fantastic. If you don't know it, go listen to it right now. I am sure you will not regret it. Plus, Sally Timms sings it, beautifully.
― Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Fever Ray "I'm Not Done"
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento LLC (SNM), Sunday, 12 September 2010 08:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Tom Waits, "Another Man's Vine"
― Flergblergtennis (aog208), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
A really good one to waltz to is Open Arms, Journey and don't forget more Eagles: Saturday Night and Pretty Maid all in a Row. There are many country waltzs. I especially like, A woman has her way by Clint Black and When Love Finds you by vince Gill. Anyone interested in ballroom dancing to mank of the pop/rock hits mentioned above check out ballroombythebay.com A ballroom dance every Wed. at 7:00 p.m. in Santa Monica. For more info you can email ballroombythe✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ Check it out! It's a lively group of friendly dancers and a dance lesson is included with the $10. admission. Tell them Rita sent you.
― rosareetie, Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Cass McCombs- You Saved My Life
― ridiculoud (mizzell), Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
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― rosareetie, Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
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― the loneliness of the dexys midnight runner (unregistered), Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
50 A bunch of songs bu Calexico ('Sunken Waltz')
^ love this
― busytits (rip van wanko), Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Drive-by Truckers - The President's Penis is Missing
― Kerm, Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Better late than never:Sofa by Frank Zappa. A rousing waltz.
― bravenewmalden, Monday, 16 March 2015 11:52 (nine years ago) link
<3 waltz time
apparently Jason Isbell does too bc:• Drive-By Truckers, "Outfit"• Jason Isbell, "Cover Me Up"
and also The National bc:• "Vanderlyle Crybaby Geeks"• Carin at the Liquor Store"
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:43 (four years ago) link
One Crowded Hour by Augie March in, I think, 6/8. Magnificent song.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link
R.E.M. - Try Not to Breathe
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 14:28 (four years ago) link
^^ so good
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen. I also have a soft spot for Billy Joel’s “Piano Man”.
― o. nate, Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link
America by Simon and Garfunkel.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:19 (four years ago) link
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen
It was mentioned, in 2005
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:31 (four years ago) link
One, Two, Three and then a ROCK!!
― Mark G, Friday, 17 January 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link
No mention of the Banshees' Melt, although it is more like 6/8
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
Magazine, The Great Beautician in the Sky, verse sections are in 3/4, chorus in 4/4
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link
Isn’t the chorus of “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds “ also 4/4? Someone mentioned it up thread.
― o. nate, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
Beatles - I, Me, Mine
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:56 (four years ago) link
Van Morrison - The Way Young Lovers Do (ok, prob 6/8 again)
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:57 (four years ago) link
"Has he got a friend for me"
― thomasintrouble, Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:08 (four years ago) link
Donovan - "Catch the Wind". "Norwegian Wood" is probably the best but it was nominated in the second post.
"Piano Man" and "Try Not to Breathe" are in 12/8 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:20 (four years ago) link
Ha, online sheet music seems to transcribe "Piano Man" in either 3/4 or 6/8 so. I can see how 6/8 makes sense but the drum beat doesn't support counting it in 3/4 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:27 (four years ago) link
Thread title says waltz time. I'm using the more expansive definition of waltz time as any triple meter.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:12 (four years ago) link
At least in standard classical theory, 6/8 = (compound) duple metre; 12/8 = (compound) quadruple metre.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
I'm using the more expansive definition of triple meter as any meter with a waltz feel.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:43 (four years ago) link
"Try Not to Breathe" (is) in 12/8 imo.This article on the song suggests it may actually be 6/8:
The waltzing instrumental returned for the 1992 demo and recording sessions for Automatic, some of which took place at Woodstock, N.Y.’s Bearsville Sound Studios. At that point, the song was nicknamed “6/8 Sailor” for its time signature, then was marked “Passion” when the final touches were added at Bad Animals in Seattle.Read More: Michael Stipe Explores Life’s Last Moments with ‘Try Not to Breathe’: The Story Behind Every ‘Automatic for the People' Song | https://diffuser.fm/rem-try-not-to-breathe/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:45 (four years ago) link
(sorry, don’t know that extra junk came along with the paragraph I pasted.)
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:46 (four years ago) link
I mean isn't "Norwegian Wood" more 6/8 too? I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of pop/rock songs with a waltz feel are 6/8 rather than 3/4.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:47 (four years ago) link
Apparently the official sheet music of "Norwegian Wood" has 12/8, and "Piano Man"'s has 3/4. I rest my case!
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:54 (four years ago) link
The beat and phrasing in "Try Not to Breathe" suggest groupings of 4 to me but duple vs quadruple can get blurry with pop music.
I agree that 6/8 works with the phrasing of "Norwegian Wood", and I'm pretty sure I've actually used it as an example of 6/8 previously. I think I would still object to identifying a waltz feel in anything with an obvious backbeat.
xp
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
Where did you find the official sheet music?
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:58 (four years ago) link
Well, just looking at the first page of the most reputable looking sheet music that came up on the first page of Google results, with official looking copyright etc. I admit this may not be the dispositive finding.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:00 (four years ago) link
Even the 'scores' that get registered with copyright offices are often after-the-fact, sometimes sketched-out transcriptions and are not necessarily dispositive tbh. The Donovan song is actually one of the only rock-era songs I can think of that feels to be inarguably in triple metre to me, not counting songs with 3/4 passages juxtaposed with other metres (Rush - Limelight, Sonic Youth - Pipeline/Kill Time). "Get to You" is mostly 5/4, surely, except for the bridge.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:08 (four years ago) link
"Cloudbusting" another example of a song that moves between 4 and 3.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:09 (four years ago) link
I just noticed that the Byrds song I nominated in the first post all those years ago is actually 5/4 much of the time, only moving to 3/4 in certain sections. LOL. (Arguably making it *more* noteworthy, but not so great as an opening post re 3/4.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link
Haha XP!!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:20 (four years ago) link