Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

The Idiot's Lantern was pretty terrible, though.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

MILD SPOILER: isn't Gatiss writing the Churchill/Daleks one?

i do still want Moffat to write a Dalek story at some point. would be happy for Julian Bleach as Davros to return because he was so good last time but trying to make an interesting compelling story with them probably the biggest challenge. with The Master presumably ruled out for a while, i'd be surprised if the finale wasn't based around Davros. but would be brave and probably better to base the final NOT around classic enemies for the first time. don't really care about the Cybermen now.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

xp: Oh yeah, that one. I try to pretend that episode doesn't exist (in fact, I still haven't seen several S2 episodes because "The Idiot Lantern" has made me so gunshy).

The good S2 eps are very good (the ending story is fantastic, plus "The Girl in the Fireplace" and Moffat's Doctorless episode) but it also easily has the worst nu-Who episodes in it; IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i agree, altho The Doctor's Daughter comes very close

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i cut it some slack for actually bothering to be set on an alien planet

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

The Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her are my two least favorite episodes, but the Daleks in Manhattan episodes run a close third.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

The Daleks In Manhattan one isn't that bad as a whole but wow Tellulah is terrible in isolation.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Moffat's Doctorless episode

I assume you're referring to Love & Monsters, which was written by RTD.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

oops

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

That seems to be one that most people online hate, but I enjoy it.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

That was the episode that convinced me to actually watch season 2; I'd missed a bunch of episodes and came in on "The Idiot Lantern" which, well... I had decided I was done with the show until they got rid of Tennant basically, up until I wandered across "Love and Monsters" and "The Girl in the Fireplace".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I like Love and Monsters too.

Actual good RTD episodes:
The End of the World
L&M
Midnight
Turn Left

Smith & Jones and Gridlock are alright.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, and all the series finales have a fair bit to enjoy, but they get progressively worse.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"Turn Left" cheats a little bit by relying so heavily on continuity set up in other stories but the execution is so great that it doesn't matter.

"Midnight" is the one where they're trapped on the bus, right? That was fucking excellent.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's the one. Best episode of S4.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

i couldn't stand midnight it was so boring. nothing happened. no monsters no plot no special effects and a painted in background that a cybermat would have sneered at as cheap. no thank you. it was conceptually even more naff than 'fear her' though actually 'fear her' wasn't conceptually naff so much as poorly executed. in the hands of a better writer it would have been less schmaltzy and no olympics

but i didn't mind love & monsters and i liked turn left alot. cheaply done but effective what-if-ing & a good set up for a big she-bang double parter

mind you my fave of s4 was silence in the library. that's moffat at his creepy best

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Silence In The Library was great up until the super schmaltzy ending of part two. Love love love the opening 10 or so
mins of part 1, such a great bit of world building with a nice bit of WTF built in. Also some genuinely creepy moments ("Ice Cream"/ Miss Evangelista's face reveal). Bit of a shame how obvious the "saved" angle was though.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I was kind of surprised by how much I liked "The Waters of Mars" after seeing some of the negative commentary here.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

The Parting Of The Ways is still my favourite RTD one - the Rose Time Vortex thing never bothered me. Other good RTD eps tend to be so because the character performances are particularly great e.g. Jacobi in Utopia and under-rated Corduri in under-rated Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

just re-watched time crash after the 'master outing' comments here and i had to watch it twice before i caught it

can't believe i missed that before so thanks for the lol

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah the two-parter at the end of S1 is great but I agree they get progressively worse. Midnight is really great (daaaaark) and it's always good to see Tennant's Doctor lose control but I think Turn Left is the best Rusty episode by some distance. He's a lot better when he's working on a smaller scale.

That said, Gridlock is rubbish. The Doctor and Martha get stuck in a traffic jam. Amazing.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Gridlock" was great! The Doctor and Martha carhopping over hungry Macra!

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I reckon the Gaiman script will turn up for S6. They always overcommission and Gaimans got form for being late with TV scripts, or so I've heard.

his last one he wrote and directed and it was delivered well in advance - before that it's been 15 years since he did one, and lateness wasn't any of the top nine problems with that production

Didn't AM nearly write for McCoy? Something like that anyway.

never heard anything like this, but Moore did write some strips for the T. Baker era DWM.

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

The Doctor and Martha get stuck in a traffic jam. Amazing.

But it's a traffic jam enveloping an entire world! That's a cool set-up for me, with shades of Ballard/early 2000AD.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Friday, 8 January 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Gridlock may well be my favourite RTD ep. Adore it.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Friday, 8 January 2010 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I liked Gridlock. Had plenty of neat ideas in it, which is all I'm looking for in an hour-long bit of entertainment.

kingfish, Friday, 8 January 2010 07:37 (fourteen years ago) link

A delayed Christmas present my friends gave me tonight:

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5528/iphone1267.jpg http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/iphone1267.jpg/1/w480.png

kingfish, Friday, 8 January 2010 08:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Gridlock is so fucking corny. Better on rewatch tho.

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 8 January 2010 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Quickly going back to the Alan Moore thing: apparently it only got as far as the BBC asking him if he'd be interested in writing a 25th anniversary episode and Moore politely declining.

I forget where I read about this but it's probably in one of those birthday/tribute books that came out for Moore's 50th a few years back.

Joe Tackleberry (Some guy from Goole), Friday, 8 January 2010 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if he means he'll be a cranky Doctor or an angry vengeful Doctor?

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 8 January 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link

racist doctor

CATBEAST 7777 (ledge), Friday, 8 January 2010 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Homophobic agendar.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

The would be really awful politically but kind of fascinating from a storytelling point of view; what happens when the person responsible for saving the world turns out to be a racist, homophobic dick? (most likely ans: ppl stop watching)

There are a few shades of Colin Baker there which, you know, could be a little dangerous.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Teabag party doctor

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Hopefully he just means less of a whiny hippy than Tennant's Doctor.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

The episode where the Doctor romances Sarah Palin is supposed to be good.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"you can put lipstick on a Sontaran..."

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2010/01/writers-tale-final-chapter-preview.html

Matt Smith looks totally high in this picture. I approve.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 8 January 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Amy really looking like a young Donna here

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/S0cca1YvR5I/AAAAAAAAJlg/tOjxDzqiYKw/filming20.jpg

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 8 January 2010 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link

in other news, Sally Sparrow is up for a BAFTA
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/jan/08/an-education-leads-bafta-longlists

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 8 January 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd be cool with Torchwood if it's within the existing canon - the Adventures of Captain Jack in America kind of thing. As for Doctor Who itself, hands off yanks.

BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I would only support an American iteration of Doctor Who if they did it as "Fringe" crossed with "Chuck".

Vajazzle My Nazzle (HI DERE), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Torchwood is goofy enough that I could see it working as a Fox show. But a US version of Doctor Who would make me stabby.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

http://blog.pennlive.com/poprocks/2007/10/Tony_Almeida_Seen_In_New_Season_7_Trailer.jpg

"U.N.I.T's on the way, Jack"

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

haha wait

Vajazzle My Nazzle (HI DERE), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I reckon the Gaiman script will turn up for S6.

^^^good call. EXCLUSIVE Neil Gaiman Confirms Doctor Who Episode

Roz, Sunday, 7 February 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link

THIS IS SO WRONG

http://www.tonnerdoll.com/doctorwho.htm

The DT doll looks like a lesbian cockatoo.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 12 February 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

The Martha doll looks like a man

your extra awesome blossom (HI DERE), Friday, 12 February 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link


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