Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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I'd love someone to get Alan Moore to write one, but I imagine that'd be nigh-on impossible.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I reckon the Gaiman script will turn up for S6. They always overcommission and Gaimans got form for being late with TV scripts, or so I've heard.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Didn't AM nearly write for McCoy? Something like that anyway.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

My guess is that the gun Matt Smith fires is a starter pistol rather than an actual gun.

I just watched Blink again and the Doctor says the Weeping Angels were "quite nice where they came from".

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah starter pistol is pretty obvious but it still had loads of idjuts protesting

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

He's not pulling a "I am shooting a starting pistol" face there.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

my God, Ben Aaronovitch would be fucking fantastic

big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think he's doing the live action Blake's 7 for Sky at the moment, though.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

O_O

okay gotta see that, that's like a completely perfect pairing of sensibilities right there

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Look - it's a ginger Matt Smith:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/07/ginger-fringe-doctor-who

Alba, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow, ginger Matt Smith looks like an anemic serial killer

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

too la roux

but if the Master could die his hair i don't see why the Doctor can't

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Doctor will never dye.

Alba, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

The Idiot's Lantern was pretty terrible, though.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

MILD SPOILER: isn't Gatiss writing the Churchill/Daleks one?

i do still want Moffat to write a Dalek story at some point. would be happy for Julian Bleach as Davros to return because he was so good last time but trying to make an interesting compelling story with them probably the biggest challenge. with The Master presumably ruled out for a while, i'd be surprised if the finale wasn't based around Davros. but would be brave and probably better to base the final NOT around classic enemies for the first time. don't really care about the Cybermen now.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp: Oh yeah, that one. I try to pretend that episode doesn't exist (in fact, I still haven't seen several S2 episodes because "The Idiot Lantern" has made me so gunshy).

The good S2 eps are very good (the ending story is fantastic, plus "The Girl in the Fireplace" and Moffat's Doctorless episode) but it also easily has the worst nu-Who episodes in it; IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i agree, altho The Doctor's Daughter comes very close

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

i cut it some slack for actually bothering to be set on an alien planet

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

The Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her are my two least favorite episodes, but the Daleks in Manhattan episodes run a close third.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 18:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Daleks In Manhattan one isn't that bad as a whole but wow Tellulah is terrible in isolation.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 18:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Moffat's Doctorless episode

I assume you're referring to Love & Monsters, which was written by RTD.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

oops

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

That seems to be one that most people online hate, but I enjoy it.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

That was the episode that convinced me to actually watch season 2; I'd missed a bunch of episodes and came in on "The Idiot Lantern" which, well... I had decided I was done with the show until they got rid of Tennant basically, up until I wandered across "Love and Monsters" and "The Girl in the Fireplace".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I like Love and Monsters too.

Actual good RTD episodes:
The End of the World
L&M
Midnight
Turn Left

Smith & Jones and Gridlock are alright.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and all the series finales have a fair bit to enjoy, but they get progressively worse.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Turn Left" cheats a little bit by relying so heavily on continuity set up in other stories but the execution is so great that it doesn't matter.

"Midnight" is the one where they're trapped on the bus, right? That was fucking excellent.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's the one. Best episode of S4.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't stand midnight it was so boring. nothing happened. no monsters no plot no special effects and a painted in background that a cybermat would have sneered at as cheap. no thank you. it was conceptually even more naff than 'fear her' though actually 'fear her' wasn't conceptually naff so much as poorly executed. in the hands of a better writer it would have been less schmaltzy and no olympics

but i didn't mind love & monsters and i liked turn left alot. cheaply done but effective what-if-ing & a good set up for a big she-bang double parter

mind you my fave of s4 was silence in the library. that's moffat at his creepy best

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 20:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Silence In The Library was great up until the super schmaltzy ending of part two. Love love love the opening 10 or so
mins of part 1, such a great bit of world building with a nice bit of WTF built in. Also some genuinely creepy moments ("Ice Cream"/ Miss Evangelista's face reveal). Bit of a shame how obvious the "saved" angle was though.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was kind of surprised by how much I liked "The Waters of Mars" after seeing some of the negative commentary here.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Parting Of The Ways is still my favourite RTD one - the Rose Time Vortex thing never bothered me. Other good RTD eps tend to be so because the character performances are particularly great e.g. Jacobi in Utopia and under-rated Corduri in under-rated Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

just re-watched time crash after the 'master outing' comments here and i had to watch it twice before i caught it

can't believe i missed that before so thanks for the lol

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the two-parter at the end of S1 is great but I agree they get progressively worse. Midnight is really great (daaaaark) and it's always good to see Tennant's Doctor lose control but I think Turn Left is the best Rusty episode by some distance. He's a lot better when he's working on a smaller scale.

That said, Gridlock is rubbish. The Doctor and Martha get stuck in a traffic jam. Amazing.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Gridlock" was great! The Doctor and Martha carhopping over hungry Macra!

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

I reckon the Gaiman script will turn up for S6. They always overcommission and Gaimans got form for being late with TV scripts, or so I've heard.

his last one he wrote and directed and it was delivered well in advance - before that it's been 15 years since he did one, and lateness wasn't any of the top nine problems with that production

Didn't AM nearly write for McCoy? Something like that anyway.

never heard anything like this, but Moore did write some strips for the T. Baker era DWM.

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Doctor and Martha get stuck in a traffic jam. Amazing.

But it's a traffic jam enveloping an entire world! That's a cool set-up for me, with shades of Ballard/early 2000AD.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Friday, 8 January 2010 00:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Gridlock may well be my favourite RTD ep. Adore it.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Friday, 8 January 2010 06:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I liked Gridlock. Had plenty of neat ideas in it, which is all I'm looking for in an hour-long bit of entertainment.

kingfish, Friday, 8 January 2010 07:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

A delayed Christmas present my friends gave me tonight:

kingfish, Friday, 8 January 2010 08:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Gridlock is so fucking corny. Better on rewatch tho.

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 8 January 2010 12:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

Quickly going back to the Alan Moore thing: apparently it only got as far as the BBC asking him if he'd be interested in writing a 25th anniversary episode and Moore politely declining.

I forget where I read about this but it's probably in one of those birthday/tribute books that came out for Moore's 50th a few years back.

Joe Tackleberry (Some guy from Goole), Friday, 8 January 2010 12:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if he means he'll be a cranky Doctor or an angry vengeful Doctor?

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 8 January 2010 13:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

racist doctor

CATBEAST 7777 (ledge), Friday, 8 January 2010 13:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Homophobic agendar.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

The would be really awful politically but kind of fascinating from a storytelling point of view; what happens when the person responsible for saving the world turns out to be a racist, homophobic dick? (most likely ans: ppl stop watching)

There are a few shades of Colin Baker there which, you know, could be a little dangerous.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Teabag party doctor

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully he just means less of a whiny hippy than Tennant's Doctor.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

The episode where the Doctor romances Sarah Palin is supposed to be good.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 8 January 2010 14:23 (4 years ago) Permalink


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