Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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If only Frankie Howerd had ever been offered the Doctor Who gig.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Worth bearing in mind Moffatt wrote the series' first gay ref in The Empty Child and also pretty much outed the Master in that mini Davison ep. So you never know… Plus Moffatt loves to troll the stuffier fans so I wouldn't put it past him to try and outdo Rusty for the lulz.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think Moffat just writes better and more subtle innuendos generally tbh

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

I know :(

At least it isn't Helen Raynor. That's the only way it could be worse.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Example of said trolling - the series 5 trailer. He punches someone! He kisses a girl! He fires a gun! SM must have known how those three things would piss off a certain type.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

yes, it was all to empthasise how this Doctor was different (apart from the kissing girls thing).

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I had to look up the name of the dude who wrote "Fear Her", he'd be worse.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think Moffat just writes better and more subtle innuendos generally tbh

― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, January 7, 2010 1:18 PM (1 minute ago)

Fair point.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

From the clip it looks like a girl kisses him and he's all like omg a gurl. xps

DavidM, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

I had to look up the name of the dude who wrote "Fear Her", he'd be worse.

― Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, January 7, 2010 1:21 PM (11 seconds ago)

Matthew Graham, creator and writer of Life On Mars. Lousy episode, not helped by how he totally misjudged the tone of the show (and like Moffatt, Chibnall and Greenhorn had a "no rewrites by RTD" clause in his contract). Also, poor casting and Euros Lyn's "LETS DUTCH TILT EVERY SHOT" style made a 50p episode look even cheaper :(

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

It was like Brookside as filmed by the putz who did Battlefield Earth :(

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

i did like the big scribbly ball in Fear Her, but so much potential missed in that ep

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

The TARDIS gag at the beginning was cute too.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Still want them to bring Ben Aaronovitch back into the fold. Will never happen, though ;(

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Bit of a pity the Gaiman rumours didn't come to pass.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'd love someone to get Alan Moore to write one, but I imagine that'd be nigh-on impossible.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I reckon the Gaiman script will turn up for S6. They always overcommission and Gaimans got form for being late with TV scripts, or so I've heard.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Didn't AM nearly write for McCoy? Something like that anyway.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

My guess is that the gun Matt Smith fires is a starter pistol rather than an actual gun.

I just watched Blink again and the Doctor says the Weeping Angels were "quite nice where they came from".

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah starter pistol is pretty obvious but it still had loads of idjuts protesting

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

He's not pulling a "I am shooting a starting pistol" face there.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

my God, Ben Aaronovitch would be fucking fantastic

big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think he's doing the live action Blake's 7 for Sky at the moment, though.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

O_O

okay gotta see that, that's like a completely perfect pairing of sensibilities right there

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Look - it's a ginger Matt Smith:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/07/ginger-fringe-doctor-who

Alba, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow, ginger Matt Smith looks like an anemic serial killer

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

too la roux

but if the Master could die his hair i don't see why the Doctor can't

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Doctor will never dye.

Alba, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

The Idiot's Lantern was pretty terrible, though.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

MILD SPOILER: isn't Gatiss writing the Churchill/Daleks one?

i do still want Moffat to write a Dalek story at some point. would be happy for Julian Bleach as Davros to return because he was so good last time but trying to make an interesting compelling story with them probably the biggest challenge. with The Master presumably ruled out for a while, i'd be surprised if the finale wasn't based around Davros. but would be brave and probably better to base the final NOT around classic enemies for the first time. don't really care about the Cybermen now.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp: Oh yeah, that one. I try to pretend that episode doesn't exist (in fact, I still haven't seen several S2 episodes because "The Idiot Lantern" has made me so gunshy).

The good S2 eps are very good (the ending story is fantastic, plus "The Girl in the Fireplace" and Moffat's Doctorless episode) but it also easily has the worst nu-Who episodes in it; IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i agree, altho The Doctor's Daughter comes very close

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

i cut it some slack for actually bothering to be set on an alien planet

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

The Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her are my two least favorite episodes, but the Daleks in Manhattan episodes run a close third.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 18:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Daleks In Manhattan one isn't that bad as a whole but wow Tellulah is terrible in isolation.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 18:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Moffat's Doctorless episode

I assume you're referring to Love & Monsters, which was written by RTD.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

oops

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

That seems to be one that most people online hate, but I enjoy it.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

That was the episode that convinced me to actually watch season 2; I'd missed a bunch of episodes and came in on "The Idiot Lantern" which, well... I had decided I was done with the show until they got rid of Tennant basically, up until I wandered across "Love and Monsters" and "The Girl in the Fireplace".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I like Love and Monsters too.

Actual good RTD episodes:
The End of the World
L&M
Midnight
Turn Left

Smith & Jones and Gridlock are alright.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and all the series finales have a fair bit to enjoy, but they get progressively worse.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Turn Left" cheats a little bit by relying so heavily on continuity set up in other stories but the execution is so great that it doesn't matter.

"Midnight" is the one where they're trapped on the bus, right? That was fucking excellent.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's the one. Best episode of S4.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't stand midnight it was so boring. nothing happened. no monsters no plot no special effects and a painted in background that a cybermat would have sneered at as cheap. no thank you. it was conceptually even more naff than 'fear her' though actually 'fear her' wasn't conceptually naff so much as poorly executed. in the hands of a better writer it would have been less schmaltzy and no olympics

but i didn't mind love & monsters and i liked turn left alot. cheaply done but effective what-if-ing & a good set up for a big she-bang double parter

mind you my fave of s4 was silence in the library. that's moffat at his creepy best

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 20:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Silence In The Library was great up until the super schmaltzy ending of part two. Love love love the opening 10 or so
mins of part 1, such a great bit of world building with a nice bit of WTF built in. Also some genuinely creepy moments ("Ice Cream"/ Miss Evangelista's face reveal). Bit of a shame how obvious the "saved" angle was though.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was kind of surprised by how much I liked "The Waters of Mars" after seeing some of the negative commentary here.

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Parting Of The Ways is still my favourite RTD one - the Rose Time Vortex thing never bothered me. Other good RTD eps tend to be so because the character performances are particularly great e.g. Jacobi in Utopia and under-rated Corduri in under-rated Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

just re-watched time crash after the 'master outing' comments here and i had to watch it twice before i caught it

can't believe i missed that before so thanks for the lol

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 22:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the two-parter at the end of S1 is great but I agree they get progressively worse. Midnight is really great (daaaaark) and it's always good to see Tennant's Doctor lose control but I think Turn Left is the best Rusty episode by some distance. He's a lot better when he's working on a smaller scale.

That said, Gridlock is rubbish. The Doctor and Martha get stuck in a traffic jam. Amazing.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Gridlock" was great! The Doctor and Martha carhopping over hungry Macra!

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 23:10 (4 years ago) Permalink


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