Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

I second that post.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Conrad: The "Portmeirion" sign should be ignored. It's just a point of sale banner for Portmeirion pottery in the window of the shop at Cardiff Millennium Centre (for that's where that particular scene was filmed). The rest of said episode was filmed in Croatia.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

But on topic, fuck a Crayons Chibnall two parter :(

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

:o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

the planet Croatia i hope

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

The other thing to remember is that Rusty rewrote or got people to revise scripts to fit his view of how the series should be and presumably Moffatt will do the same. So a Chibnall script for Moffatt could end up quite different to a Chibnall script for Davies.

Looking forward to the Gatiss one, given that Rusty apparently trashed his original script for The Unquiet Dead and made him take out a lot of the darker bits.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

there's still strong anti-donna sentiment out there? i knew there was circa "Runaway Bride" but i thought people had gotten over it during S4. anyway i loved her and apparently i've self-selected places on the internet to go where everyone else loves her too.

Euclidian pizza mathematics (reddening), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

does this also mean that moffat written script w/o rusty looking over his shoulder could be different from the moffat we've grown to expect?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Rusty said he didn't change Moffatt's scripts at all, so maybe not.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

half-serious point but presumably now there will be fewer gay references? the occasional background character notwithstanding. i just can't imagine anyone consciously inserting gayness into proceedings with half as much vigour as Rusty.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

"inserting", "vigour"

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

ITS LIKE I'M HIM

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

If only Frankie Howerd had ever been offered the Doctor Who gig.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Worth bearing in mind Moffatt wrote the series' first gay ref in The Empty Child and also pretty much outed the Master in that mini Davison ep. So you never know… Plus Moffatt loves to troll the stuffier fans so I wouldn't put it past him to try and outdo Rusty for the lulz.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think Moffat just writes better and more subtle innuendos generally tbh

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

I know :(

At least it isn't Helen Raynor. That's the only way it could be worse.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Example of said trolling - the series 5 trailer. He punches someone! He kisses a girl! He fires a gun! SM must have known how those three things would piss off a certain type.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

yes, it was all to empthasise how this Doctor was different (apart from the kissing girls thing).

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I had to look up the name of the dude who wrote "Fear Her", he'd be worse.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think Moffat just writes better and more subtle innuendos generally tbh

― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, January 7, 2010 1:18 PM (1 minute ago)

Fair point.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

From the clip it looks like a girl kisses him and he's all like omg a gurl. xps

DavidM, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

I had to look up the name of the dude who wrote "Fear Her", he'd be worse.

― Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, January 7, 2010 1:21 PM (11 seconds ago)

Matthew Graham, creator and writer of Life On Mars. Lousy episode, not helped by how he totally misjudged the tone of the show (and like Moffatt, Chibnall and Greenhorn had a "no rewrites by RTD" clause in his contract). Also, poor casting and Euros Lyn's "LETS DUTCH TILT EVERY SHOT" style made a 50p episode look even cheaper :(

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

It was like Brookside as filmed by the putz who did Battlefield Earth :(

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

i did like the big scribbly ball in Fear Her, but so much potential missed in that ep

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

The TARDIS gag at the beginning was cute too.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Still want them to bring Ben Aaronovitch back into the fold. Will never happen, though ;(

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Bit of a pity the Gaiman rumours didn't come to pass.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'd love someone to get Alan Moore to write one, but I imagine that'd be nigh-on impossible.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I reckon the Gaiman script will turn up for S6. They always overcommission and Gaimans got form for being late with TV scripts, or so I've heard.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Didn't AM nearly write for McCoy? Something like that anyway.

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 13:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

My guess is that the gun Matt Smith fires is a starter pistol rather than an actual gun.

I just watched Blink again and the Doctor says the Weeping Angels were "quite nice where they came from".

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah starter pistol is pretty obvious but it still had loads of idjuts protesting

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

He's not pulling a "I am shooting a starting pistol" face there.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

my God, Ben Aaronovitch would be fucking fantastic

big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 14:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think he's doing the live action Blake's 7 for Sky at the moment, though.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

O_O

okay gotta see that, that's like a completely perfect pairing of sensibilities right there

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Look - it's a ginger Matt Smith:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/07/ginger-fringe-doctor-who

Alba, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow, ginger Matt Smith looks like an anemic serial killer

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

too la roux

but if the Master could die his hair i don't see why the Doctor can't

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Doctor will never dye.

Alba, Thursday, 7 January 2010 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

big cheers for seeing Gatiss and Roberts, two of the more underrated authors from the Virgin book era

The Idiot's Lantern was pretty terrible, though.

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

MILD SPOILER: isn't Gatiss writing the Churchill/Daleks one?

i do still want Moffat to write a Dalek story at some point. would be happy for Julian Bleach as Davros to return because he was so good last time but trying to make an interesting compelling story with them probably the biggest challenge. with The Master presumably ruled out for a while, i'd be surprised if the finale wasn't based around Davros. but would be brave and probably better to base the final NOT around classic enemies for the first time. don't really care about the Cybermen now.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp: Oh yeah, that one. I try to pretend that episode doesn't exist (in fact, I still haven't seen several S2 episodes because "The Idiot Lantern" has made me so gunshy).

The good S2 eps are very good (the ending story is fantastic, plus "The Girl in the Fireplace" and Moffat's Doctorless episode) but it also easily has the worst nu-Who episodes in it; IMO nothing in seasons 1, 3 or 4 comes anywhere near the awfulness of "The Idiot Lantern".

ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i agree, altho The Doctor's Daughter comes very close

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

i cut it some slack for actually bothering to be set on an alien planet

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 16:15 (4 years ago) Permalink


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