I just finished book #10 of Robert Jordan's stupid series.

So, what did you folks think when you heard he died before finishing the last book?

I thought, "I'm glad I stopped reading those books years ago or I might be really upset, having invested so much time and energy into keeping track of all these annoying characters."

glad this thread has popped back up to the top of the new answers page, because i was just thinking the other day how sad it would be if george r r martin died before finishing HIS epic fantasy series. all said though, RIP RJ, you kept me entertained for most of middle school.

I first read that as "What did you fools..."

i started rereading these 4 a job and got pretty into them again tbh

could right so much about how rad they are but fukk the h8rs

for a JOB?

theyre making some video games based on them due to the movie cummin out

that is pretty intense.
i had no idea abt a movie.
what did the people on rec.arts.sf.written.rober-jordan think of all this? they had this epic FAQ i would read whenever i got confused about plot points, back in the day.

I gotta say I actually got chills at the end of book 9, something I thought this series couldn't do to me any longer.

It's also much easier to keep track of the bazillions of characters when you read them one right after the other.

if i had the first book i would start a re-read. think they're all in a box at my mom's house. library IS around the corner tho.

http://steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.6_asmo.html

i ended up buying some of the hardbacks i was missing for really cheap - like $6 at most. found a couple @ goodwill for $2

yah HI DERE otm book 9 is probably one of the best in the series and book 11 is pretty dope too. book 10 is a real travesty. and reading them all back to back changes your opinion for sure. i remember common wisdom is that series really fell off but i dont think thats true anymore it just that 3 years waiting kind of kills it

book 10 is a real travesty

this kind of can't be overstated; 10 is terrible water-treading where people get shuffled slowly into place in the most uninteresting ways possible and is only redeemed by the surging ball of awesome that is book 11

what about the mediocrity of books 7&8? Those kill the series for me usually. i've gotten to book 10 once or twice maybe but never finished it.

i liked book 8! seven is kind of a mess but at least its (relatively) short for me book 6 is the breaking point. in my one reread prior to this i stopped there just couldnt get through the fukken elyane and nynaeve zzzzz sections. actually all the sections get really tedious in the middle of that one

lol i now remember all the stupid fukken names of the 1.7 million characters

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I can get through 7 & 8, although IIRC those are the ones where Jordan revels just a little too much in having his female characters breathlessly declare their innermost thoughts to each other while sharing baths. (Maybe that's in 6? I don't remember now.)

I gotta say, I love love love the Egwene subplot. She's just a total badass.

i never really liked her character until basically book 11 which i wont spoil for ian but basically proves that shes the sickest chick in the series

I dunno, the entire thing where the rebels try to use her and she's like, "um, let me think about that... NO" is also pretty bad-ass.

ian do u have the wot ccg???? i would love to play it

hi dere - yeah but all the rebels are kind of such saps imo that it doesnt seem that cool. also shes continually getting sonned by that reincarnated forsaken so it kind of lessens her radness

i bought a few starters & packs of the wot ccg when it first came out, and they might still be around my mom's place somewhere... but i remember it being really convoluted and weird.

also dudes, feel free to spoil away.

* Padan Fain becomes a Darkfriend forty years ago. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Because he covers the Two Rivers area, Fain is chosen to be the Dark One's hound to search for the Dragon Reborn. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Padan Fain arrives in Emond's Field. (TEotW,Ch2)
* He enters Emond's Field and tells everyone about the news of the world. The Village Council asks him to step inside the Winespring Inn. (TEotW,Ch3)
* In the Trolloc attack, Fain's wagon is burned and he disappears. (TEotW,Ch7)
* The Fade forces Fain to accompany him and the Trollocs after the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Rand runs into Fain in Baerlon and tells him they are staying at the Stag and Lion. (TEotW,Ch15)
* Fain frees himself of the Fade but is still forced to follow the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain enters Shadar Logoth and encounters Mordeth. They merge, forming something more evil and powerful than either. (TGH,Ch49)
* Fain heads to Caemlyn after the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain sees Rand in Caemlyn and tries to chase him. (TEotW,Ch39)
* Fain follows the boys through the Ways. He encounters Machin Shin, but the Black Wind leaves him alone. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain is brought before Moiraine and Agelmar after being caught trying to sneak in to Fal Dara. (TEotW,Ch46)
* Fain tells most of his story to Moiraine. He is held in the dungeon. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain is still being held in the dungeon. (TEotW,Ch53)
* Rand and Egwene visit Fain. He says he can feel Rand and that Mordeth knows more than all of you. (TGH,Ch3)
* Fain waits in the dark when Mat and Egwene come to visit. Ingtar and a Fade release Fain and he takes the ruby dagger from Mat. He learns of Toman Head from the Fade and decides to go there via the Waygate at Cairhien. (TGH,Ch5, Tor Q&A)
* Fain fights for control with the Fade and finally kills it, nailing it to a door. (TGH,Ch11)
* Fain wakes to find the Horn and the ruby dagger gone and is furious. He cannot sense Rand. Later, he can sense Rand again. He still feels compelled to hunt him and hates him for it. (TGH,Ch19)
* Fain's Darkfriends steal the Horn and the ruby dagger and set the Defender of the Dragonwall on fire. (TGH,Ch30)
* Fain takes the Horn and his followers through the Waygate to Toman Head after leaving a message for Rand with Barthanes. (TGH,Ch33)
* Leaving the Darkfriends and Trollocs in a nearby camp, Fain takes the chest to High Lord Turak in Falme. Turak opens the chest and confiscates the Horn and the ruby dagger. (TGH,Ch34)
* Fain sets himself up in style in Falme with fine clothes and a servant. (TGH,Ch42)
* Fain kills Turak's aide, Huan, for striking him. (TGH,Ch45)
* Padan Fain now calls himself Ordeith, which means Wormwood. He makes his way to Amador and into the good graces of Pedron Niall where he convinces him that the Two Rivers is a nest of Darkfriends. (TDR,Prologue)
* Ordeith leads fifty Whitecloaks to the Two Rivers and meets Dain Bornhald there. He intends to scour the Two Rivers so Rand will come to him. (TSR,Ch1)
* When Perrin's parents laugh at him, Fain murders the entire family. (TSR,Ch31)
* Fain has his own camp with his close followers. He also has a Fade prisoner. He knows one of the boys is to the south and that it is not Rand. (TSR,Ch31)
* Fain orchestrates a Trolloc attack that wipes out Taren Ferry but allows many to escape across the river carrying word of what is going on in the Two Rivers. (TSR,Ch45)
* Fain watches the defense of Emond's Field. Angry at the result, he plans to take his motley crew to Caemlyn, then Tar Valon. (TSR,Ch56)
* Fain meets with Elaida and talks about Rand. He notices the tension between her and Alviarin and relishes it. He wants both the Horn of Valere and the ruby dagger. (TFoH,Prologue)
* Fain retrieves the ruby dagger. Alviarin confronts him, but he convinces her that he is a high level Darkfriend. He quickly leaves the White Tower. (TFoH,Ch19)
* In Caemlyn, Fain sends some of his Whitecloaks to attack Rand as a test of his defenses. (LoC,Ch26)
* Fain and his pet Fade are staying with a Darkfriend family in Caemlyn. The son, Perwyn Belman brings him news that Rand was attacked by a Gray Man. Fain is furious because he wants Rand for himself. (LoC,Ch28)
* Fain is advisor to Toram Riatin in the Cairhien rebel camp. He now calls himself Jeraal Mordeth. Rand spots him, but he disappears into the crowd. (ACoS,Ch35)
* Fain jumps out of the fog, slices Rand with the ruby dagger and runs off laughing. (ACoS,Ch36)
* Fain brings Toram Riatin with him to Far Madding. (WH,Ch33)
* Fain arrives in Far Madding. He kills Kisman with the ruby dagger because he wants Rand for himself. (WH,Ch22)
* Fain sends a note to Rand telling him that Gedwyn and Torval are staying in a house on Blue Carp Street. (WH,Ch32)
* Fain kills Gedwyn and Torval then attacks Rand. He uses new powers to create an Illusion, but Rand slashes him with his sword. Fain flees. (WH,Ch33)

yeah im looking at it online i guess its oop now. tbh all ccg seem retardedly elaborate tho

you have said this before i think but srsly MTG is the non-complicated ccg and a barrel of fun.

i totally believe u guyz it just doesnt look uncomplicated from the outside

can we get back to talking about who killed asmodean and is moridin the reinarnation of ishamael and has rand had a menage with all his girlies yet

who killed asmodean

graendal

is moridin the reinarnation of ishamael

yes

has rand had a menage with all his girlies

yes oh yes 1000 times yes - he also got elyane pregnant

1. Graendel
2. Yes
3. Not directly, but when he knocks boots with one the others can sense it.

xp: dammit too slow, and yes forgot about the lolpregnancy

I mean seriously, why is the wackest one pregnant?

what a pimp.

* NS,Ch21 - Lan nearly loses his temper when Moiraine finds a patch of blisterleaf and uses it on him.
* TEotW,Ch5 - Tam and Rand keep small bags of medicines including willowbark.
* TEotW,Ch18 - Nynaeve tells Moiraine that flatwort tea and andilay root are best for fatigue. They clear the head and dim the burn in tired muscles.
* TEotW,Ch19 - Nynaeve gives Moiraine a weak tea of foxtail and marisin. It will help her sleep for an hour and not be groggy.
* TEotW,Ch38 - Nynaeve rubs Perrin's bruises with ground ivy, five-finger and sunburst root, a greasy ointment that relieves pain and heals bruises.
* TGH,Ch8 - In a dither, Nynaeve thinks she should dose herself with rannel and sheepstongue root. She uses them on people who are moping or acting like a fool. They perk one up a bit, but mainly they leave a horrible taste that lasts all day.
* TGH,Ch14 - When Perrin contacts the wolves, Mat thinks he looks ill and offers to make him some willowbark tea. He keeps willowbark in his saddlebags.
* TGH,Ch18 - Raw sheepstongue root is the worst tasting thing Nynaeve knows of.
* TGH,Ch23 - During her Accepted test, Nynaeve hears that that the new Wisdom gave Bran al'Vere gray fennel before he died. It is poison.
* TDR,Ch10 - As Mat's fever grows worse, Nynaeve wishes she had some worrynot root or feverbane.
* TDR,Ch38 - Nynaeve doses Dailin with corenroot to help make blood, dogwort for knitting flesh, and healall.
* TDR,Ch39 - Adden and his men dope Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve with sleepwell root. The men think it will keep them asleep, but it actually clears headaches so one can sleep. It only makes one a little drowsy.
* TDR,Ch48 - Nynaeve and Mother Guenna test each others knowledge of herbs. Chainleaf tea and bluewort tea settle a queasy stomach. So does a brew of marshwhite leaves, but that has a bite to the taste. Flatwort tea or andilay root is good for fatigue. Whitefennel helps with a difficult childbirth. Powdered gheandin blossom on the tongue helps a heart attack. For a broken limb, give boneknit then wrap the limb in toweling soaked with boiled blue goatflowers. Sheepstongue root is good for eye pain.
* TSR,Ch7 - Nynaeve dosed Egwene with dogwood tea for moping. It tasted so bad Egwene hit her with a bowl.
* TSR,Ch34 - The Wise Ones give Mat tea made from timsin root and silverleaf for his headache.
* TSR,Ch52 - Nynaeve wants some willowbark or acem to make something for the lump on Thom's head.
* TFoH,Ch5 - Bair threatens to dose Egwene with bluespine tea, an incredibly bitter brew that serves no purpose except to "cure" sullenness or sulkiness.
* TFoH,Ch10 - Ronde Macura accidentally discovers the effects of forkroot tea. She uses it to drug Elayne and Nynaeve. It puts them to sleep and inhibits them from channeling.
* TFoH,Ch10 - Nynaeve finds white henpepper in Ronde Macura's kitchen. It will soothe a toothache but it will also turn one's hair black as night. They will use it to disguise Elayne.
* TFoH,Ch13 - Angry at having to play a servant, Nynaeve offers to make Elayne a tea of sheepstongue root and red daisy.
* TFoH,Ch15 - Egwene almost forces a brew of boiled catfern and powdered mavinsleaf on Nynaeve for lying.
* TFoH,Ch16 - Nynaeve uses some healall ointment on the scratches she received in Tel'aran'rhiod.
* TFoH,Ch26 - When she was a novice, Siuan washed a disliked Accepted's shifts with itchweed.
* TFoH,Ch36 - Nynaeve uses white henpepper to darken Birgitte's hair.
* TFoH,Ch48 - Nynaeve packs up the remedies she took from Ronde Macura from the healall to the dreadful forkroot.
* TFoH,Ch49 - Nynaeve rubs stinging mardroot-oil liniment into Uno's bruised shoulder and dabs some healall ointment on the gash on his face.
* TFoH,Ch49 - Elayne and Birgitte remove the dark coloring from their hair with pokeleaf. It is normally used for sore gums and toothaches. Nynaeve uses red fennel to settle her stomach.
* TFoH,Ch54 - Nynaeve adds some unnecessary sheepstongue root to Siuan's sleeping brew when they prepare to visit Tel'aran'rhiod.
* TFoH,Ch54 - Fearing Moghedien, Nynaeve wishes she had some goosemint for her heartburn.
* TFoH,Ch54 - With the a'dam, Nynaeve uses blackwasp nettles on Moghedien.
* TFoH,Ch55 - In Tel'aran'rhiod, Nynaeve gives Moghedien a cup of forkroot tea to drug her for real in Salidar.
* LoC,Ch7 - Nynaeve chews goosemint frequently to settle her stomach.
* LoC,Ch12 - Nynaeve chews goosemint to soothe her burning stomach.
* LoC,Ch15 - Egwene takes sleepwell root to make herself drowsy and clear her headache.
* LoC,Ch29 - Nynaeve still tastes boiled catfern and powdered mavinsleaf when she even thinks of lying.
* ACoS,Prologue - Ronde Macura reports to the White Tower the effects of forkroot. Elaida orders Joline and Teslyn to use it to capture Elayne and Nynaeve.
* ACoS,Ch32 - When they were novices, Seaine and Pevara put powdered itchoak on Serancha's shift.
* TPoD,Ch1 - Teslyn uses the forkroot on Joline to prevent her from interfering in Elayne and Nynaeve's escape from Ebou Dar.
* TPoD,Ch25 - Elaida is annoyed that everyone in the White Tower now seems to know about forkroot.
* TPoD,Ch28 - Someone poisons Adeleas and Ispan with crimsonthorn root. It is sweet. A little kills pain. More paralyzes and slowly kills.
* WH,Ch9 - Daved Hanlon stages an attack on Elayne, spiking her tea with forkroot.
* WH,Ch10 - Nynaeve doses Elayne with herbs to overcome the effects of forkroot. Greenwort and goatstongue might may one sleep, but they are sovereign for the stomach cramps caused by forkroot.
* WH,Ch10 - The assassins who attacked Elayne had daggers poisoned with gray fennel and powdered peach pit.
* WH,Ch12 - Women use heartleaf tea for effective birth control.
* WH,Ch14 - After her damane is caned, Tuon orders her welts painted with tincture of sorfa. She is also to be given lionheart for the pain.
* WH,Ch19 - Teslyn admits to Mat that she drugged Joline with forkroot to foil Elaida's plan to capture Elayne and Nynaeve.
* CoT,Ch30 � When Egwene is captured at Northharbor someone drugs her with forkroot.
* KoD,Prologue � Silviana intends to keep Egwene drugged with forkroot. Forkroot affects channelers much more strongly than those who cannot channel.
* KoD,Ch4 � Perrin learns that the Seanchan are using forkroot to detect and capture men and women who can channel.
* KoD,Ch11 � Mat learns that the Seanchan army at the Murandy border is using forkroot to detect and capture men and women who can channel.
* KoD,Ch12 � Perrin and Tylee go to Almizar to procure thousands of pounds of forkroot.
* KoD,Ch15 � When her pregnancy bothers her Elayne sometimes regrets not drinking heartleaf tea before lying with Rand.
* KoD,Ch20 - Nynaeve takes willowbark when she gets a headache from too much channeling.
* KoD,Ch24 � The Aes Sedai keep Egwene lightly dosed with forkroot so she can barely channel.
* KoD,Ch26 � Perrin and his followers dump thousands of pounds of forkroot into the aqueduct that leads to the cistern in Malden.
* KoD,Ch29 � Maighdin collapses after drinking water laced with forkroot.

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/article/56/Splitting-AMOL

^ Blog post by the guy completing the THREE VOLUME final novel.

That blog post is longer than most books.

yah his trilogy is really pretty good. he (used to?) post to a forum i post to and he seems like a decent guy - hes definitely into the series which i guess could be good or bad but at least its not some total hack

holy shit, i totally forgot about mazrim taim. was he a forsake in disguise or just a nutter?

nerd answers is:

a) jordan has unequivocally said that he is NOT demandred
b) its almost impossible for him 2 be any other forsaken
c) he is definitely a darkfriend

so cw is that he is some kind of modern chosen probably found and taught by ishmael

i read brandon sanderson's book elantris, it was pretty good. solid and unpredictable.

Wasn't nynaeve completely, totally annoying? Or was that some other character, I can't remember, it's been a few years since I read these daft books? I think I got as far as #7.

she was one of the annoying ones, yes.

lol "one of"