Chris Difford & Glenn Tilbrook badmouth Sweets from a Stranger:
GT: I was particularly headstrong on this record and it resulted in some of it sounding awful.
Out of TouchCD: [The unreleased version recorded with Paul Carrack] stands head and shoulders above this one. This is really naff. There's no personality to it whatsoever and to follow East Side Story with this was shooting ourselves in the foot. It's a ridiculous sounding song.... Those synthetic drums sound horrendous. Listening to it now I just wince.GT: ...it sounds very much of its time and not in a good way.
I Can't Hold OnCD: ...it's not a great moment for me lyrically because it doesn't say anything. I was beginning to lose the plot here.
Points of ViewGT: This is a great band performance marred by a slightly poncey vocal performance by me.(To be fair, CD has nothing but praise for GT's vocal on this one.)
Stranger than the Stranger on the ShoreCD: I have to apologize to Glenn for not punching him when he played the ocarina on this... I said "OK, if you think this is good I'm getting out of here because this is crap."
Onto the Dance FloorCD: This does nothing for me at all.
Black Coffee in BedGT: It's far too ponderous. It could never be a fast song, but it certainly had the opportunity to be slightly perkier. My vocal is mannered and not very good at all, and I can't stand to listen to it now.
His House Her HomeCD: This is my Peter & Gordon number... This is me trying to be sophisticated, but just sounding camp.
The Very First DanceCD: This is atrocious. ...there's no passion in it.GT: I sounds a little ponderous to me.
Quotes from the book "Squeeze: Song by Song." Contrary to the quotes above, they do have some good things to say about certain songs and performances, but on the whole CD and GT both consider it one of their worst albums.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 04:36 (seven years ago) Permalink
Heard Up the Junction in the car today and god damn that is one of the best songs ever, no question. <3 <3 <3
it really is. someone tells a story in another thread about the song being on the radio while he was driving his mom around, and she started to cry when it was finished she thought it so sad.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 04:55 (seven years ago) Permalink
What were their favorite creations, H.L.?
― Cunga, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 04:57 (seven years ago) Permalink
I'll skim the book and post some things tomorrow.
They've both said at one time or another that the song "Some Fantastic Place" is the best thing they've ever done.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 05:08 (seven years ago) Permalink
cool. I would really enjoy more excerpts if you have time tomorrow!
― Cunga, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 05:59 (seven years ago) Permalink
If it's in there, I'd love to know what they think about "Letting Go."
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 06:29 (seven years ago) Permalink
Interesting read, that. I love it when artists badmouth their own songs. How could anybody hate "Black Coffee in Bed"?? "Ponderous"? Fucking "ponderous"?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 15:55 (seven years ago) Permalink
Actually, "Black Coffee" does sometimes wear out its welcome after 6 minutes. They usually up the tempo a bit on stage.
Well, skimming the book turned into rereading the whole thing, so give me another day or two. I just checked, and they both say that "Letting Go" is one of the best things they ever did.
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 7 January 2010 05:02 (seven years ago) Permalink
Can you tell me what's essentially said about "Vanity Fair" or "Up the Junction"?
― Cunga, Thursday, 7 January 2010 08:50 (seven years ago) Permalink
Up the JunctionCD: When I wrote this it was Dylanesque and was much longer, with about 16 verses... [ Who Killed Davey Moore ] inspired me to write in a seamless way, like I was narrating a story, with no chorus.GT: I was thinking of something like Dylan's Positively 4th Street as a template when I wrote the music.
Surprisingly, A&M Records recognized the potential for the song early on, when the band was originally playing it in a slower, folkier arrangement, and asked them to make it poppier.
Difford also suggests a future ILM thread: "Incidentally, there aren't many songs that end with the title as the last line. Two spring to mind: Up the Junction and Virginia Plain."
Vanity FairGT: I wrote a piano part for this but when it came to playing with the orchestra I bottled out, to my eternal shame.CD: This has an absolutely stunning melody and beautiful arrangement. It's one we never really did live which was, in retrospect, a lost opportunity.
In the back of the book, they print the lyrics of a number of songs which are evidently their picks for the best:
Strong in ReasonTake Me I'm YoursSlap and TickleUp the JunctionSlightly DrunkGoodbye GirlCool for CatsPulling Mussels (from the Shell)Another Nail in My HeartI Think I'm Go GoSeparate BedsIf I Didn't Love YouVicky VerkyTemptedPiccadillySomeone Else's BellWoman's WorldIs That Love?Labelled With LoveWhen the Hangover StrikesBlack Coffee in BedKing George StreetLast Time ForeverNo Place Like HomeTough LoveThe PrisonerStriking MatchesThe Waiting GamePeyton PlaceSlaughtered, Gutted and HeartbrokenShe Doesn't Have to ShaveLove CirclesMelody MotelLetting GoThe TruthWalk a Straight LineWicked and CruelThere Is a VoiceSome Fantastic PlaceThird RailIt's OverLoving You TonightCold ShoulderElectric TrainsWalk AwayI Want YouDaphneThe Great EscapeTo Be a DadWithout You Here
They don't do a song-by-song analysis of the "Difford & Tilbrook" album, but do make note of Love's Crashing Waves, On My Mind Tonight and The Apple Tree.
On some of the songs listed above their opinions are split--yes, Tilbrook really does call Black Coffee in Bed "ponderous," adding "My vocal is mannered and not very good at all, and I can't stand to listen to it now."
One thing that crops up a lot in the book, particularly from Tilbrook, is statements like this:GT: [ Rose I Said ] falls into the same category as If It's Love in that I like the song and the performance of it, which is very spirited, but it doesn't distinguish itself in any way.
Tilbrook also seems to distrust the simpler pop songs; Grouch of the Day is "a fun song without any importance attached to it." Vicky Verky is "lyrically slightly twee in the way that Up the Junction isn't, which makes it less interesting to me. Musically, I don't think it's very good either." Trust Me to Open My Mouth is "quite an ordinary song really, although I liked it more at the time." Is it that he finds these songs too easy, or that they don't do anything new?
Difford does it too: Farfisa Beat is "crap... It's an album filler at best... It was probably just stuck on the album because it was uptempo."
― Hideous Lump, Monday, 11 January 2010 03:44 (seven years ago) Permalink
― Cunga, Monday, 11 January 2010 04:16 (seven years ago) Permalink
weird discovery: although I've heard it >50 times as a boy, 'If I Didn't Love You' is fucking amazing, like seriously a candidate for best Squeeze and one of the better pop songs of its era
― stoke for the shawcross (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:47 (seven years ago) Permalink
seriously it's so great when you rediscover a piece of music you once knew off by heart but it still blows your mind
― stoke for the shawcross (acoleuthic), Sunday, 28 February 2010 19:48 (seven years ago) Permalink
"If I didn't love you, I'd hate you."
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 28 February 2010 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink
Tilbrook: If I Didn't Love You was "musically inspired by Talking Heads. The line 'The record jumps on a scratch' was such a gift that I had to use it, so we sang 'If I, If I, If I, If I.'"
Difford: "I love Glenn's slide guitar solo. When he first did it I thought 'This guy's out of his tree. What's he doing?,' but it's brilliant."
"'Singles remind me of kisses / Albums remind me of plans.' They are my favorite lines on the whole album. When I used to have girls back to my flat I'd go through my record collection and find the album which had the longest side... I knew that by a certain point on the record if I didn't have my hand down her pants then it wasn't going to happen because I'd have to get up and change the record over... The best album for this purpose was Something/Anything by Todd Rundgren, because it had one side that was 30 minutes long. I'd put it on and get down to business and knew that I had a couple of minutes at the end of the album to lie on my back and then I'd have the excuse to get up and change the record."
― Hideous Lump, Monday, 1 March 2010 00:55 (seven years ago) Permalink
Now, some 35 years later, Squeeze have re-recorded 14 of their classic tracks for Spot the Difference, an album of all their classic hits re-recorded in a way so painstakingly faithful to the originals that they challenge you to spot the difference.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:18 (six years ago) Permalink
in general, i kinda hate (and avoid) re-recordings of old stuff, but this goes beyond that. this is demented. in the metal world people will re-record albums cuz when they were young they only had five dollars to spend on making an album and now they have ten dollars. i kinda understand that. even if i never want to listen to the results.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 May 2010 21:21 (six years ago) Permalink
I wouldn't mind hearing their first album re-recorded. Peel sessions are much better sounding. Other than that, no interest in this, I don't think...
― dlp9001, Friday, 21 May 2010 01:33 (six years ago) Permalink
Hmmmmmm. I really really love Squeeze but that just sounds like a pointless effort.
― Aqua Backrat (ENBB), Friday, 21 May 2010 01:42 (six years ago) Permalink
I was just wondering today if there were any remasters of squeeze's stuff. their 80s recordings sound a little thin and wouldn't it be nice to give them a little attack. but this is not what I had in mind.
― Face Book (dyao), Friday, 21 May 2010 01:55 (six years ago) Permalink
In the past year or so they've redone Argybargy, Sweets from a Stranger, Frank and Ridiculous, but they're only available as imports in the U.S. Three of them have the appropriate b-sides plus unreleased stuff from each album, except Ridiculous, which for some reason has none of the b-sides that it should. Argy is a double with a concert on the 2nd disc.
This is the perfect opportunity to get all those b-sides in the right place, not doled out piecemeal on 17 redundant Greatest Hits records. Don't piss me off, guys, or I'll... get all sullen and bitch about it on the internet.
Tilbrook has also released 3 of a planned 5 volumes of demos from the Squeeze years.
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 21 May 2010 03:41 (six years ago) Permalink
DeepDiscount has the deluxe Argy for $23.38, and it was well worth it. Nice remaster, bonus tracks and great sounding live recording. I hope they do East Side Story next.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 21 May 2010 03:54 (six years ago) Permalink
"New recordings - improved sound quality"
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 21 May 2010 08:09 (six years ago) Permalink
i wouldn't mind hearing it if it means improved sound quality (not that classic squeeze sounded *bad* per se -- it isn't as if they started off as some no-budget crusty-punk band). but if their idea of "improved sound quality" is the "compressed-to-an-inch-of-its-life" junk that too often passes for remastering then i can live w/t it.
― keine Macht für dich mehr! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 23 May 2010 14:16 (six years ago) Permalink
If you're a Squeeze fan and you *haven't* heard the 1992 BBC Session of Take Me I'm Yours, please do yourself a favour...
― piscesx, Friday, 15 October 2010 03:53 (six years ago) Permalink
And when you're done with that, here's a song from Tilbrook's last solo album Pandemonium Ensues:
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 15 October 2010 04:31 (six years ago) Permalink
I think you guys missed the point of the "Spot the Difference" album. They re-recorded those tracks so they'd have the rights to them and could license those out instead of the ones controlled by their record company.
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:48 (five years ago) Permalink
oh yeah, I bumped this because I was wondering if it's worth going past "Argybargy"
Well certainly "East Side Story." And I think "Play" is the equal of "Cool/Argy/East," although it took some time to reveal itself--it's definitely not as poppy as any of those.
Listen to my picks of better later Squeeze here:
The ILM Fan-made BEST OF/ANTHOLOGY Compilation project -- POST Tracklists, Cover Art, Liner notes, editorials, spotify links and/or otherwise LEGALLY obtained streaming album lists HERE!
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 24 June 2011 04:08 (five years ago) Permalink
There's something inexplicably great about the lines "I'd beg for some forgiveness / but beggings not my business" in Up The Junction.
― textbook blows on the head (dowd), Friday, 24 June 2011 07:13 (five years ago) Permalink
my favorite song by them right now is "Goodbye Girl", such a wonky time
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2011 13:40 (five years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox, Monday, 27 June 2011 07:34 (five years ago) Permalink
Melody Motel is so weird.
― Kim, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:36 (five years ago) Permalink
Tempted is among the worst songs ever written. Utter crap, and every copy on earth should be destroyed, similar to what happened with smallpox virus.
― Poliopolice, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:56 (five years ago) Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:14 (five years ago) Permalink
How's the Difford-Tillbrook solo album?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, May 29, 2006
I heard an excerpt a few months ago -- sounds like the boys decided to record a Hall & Oates album and failed.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 February 2012 18:38 (five years ago) Permalink
The live at the Hammersmith Odeon, March 9, 1980 set on the deluxe edition of Argy Bargy is just super hot.
― timellison, Monday, 21 May 2012 05:04 (four years ago) Permalink
i really like squeeze, but i cant abide jools holland's superfluous boogie woogie breakdowns. 'cool for cats' is a prime example. needless.
― dextor ellis bextor, Monday, 21 May 2012 05:11 (four years ago) Permalink
Where? There's an instrumental break in that song and then a melodic solo at the end. Neither of them strike me as "boogie woogie."
― timellison, Monday, 21 May 2012 05:22 (four years ago) Permalink
the instrumental break. it just seems crowbarred in.
― dextor ellis bextor, Monday, 21 May 2012 05:33 (four years ago) Permalink
I think that's how people educated by message boards describe piano playing on a Squeeze album
― Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Monday, 21 May 2012 19:03 (four years ago) Permalink
Just listened to that live set (I always had it, just never really bothered with it for some reason), you're right, this is really fun
I mean these guys have nothing on XTC or whoever they're usually compared to, but they are one of the most likeable bands ever, so there's that
― frogbs, Friday, 25 May 2012 15:15 (four years ago) Permalink
I listen to Another Nail in my Heart on repeat sometimes.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 25 May 2012 15:29 (four years ago) Permalink
Squeeze are a fucking class act, man. so much excellence.
― some dude, Friday, 25 May 2012 15:41 (four years ago) Permalink
I LOVE SQUEEZE.
― Trip Maker, Friday, May 25, 2012 11:29 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I do that too, sometimes.
Oh and guess what? I'm going to see them in July! :D
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:42 (four years ago) Permalink
I was just going to say something about Up the Junction being one of the best songs ever but thought to C&P myself first and, well:
― ★彡☆ ★彡 (ENBB), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:59 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:44 (four years ago) Permalink
they're pretty killer live. i mean they did that album a couple years back where they did virtually identical re-recordings of old songs, they can play everything perfectly and Tilbrook's voice hasn't really aged any.
― some dude, Friday, 25 May 2012 15:45 (four years ago) Permalink
Awesome. I'm really excited. They're opening for the B-52s who will be fun to see and all but I bought the (fairly expensive) tickets pretty much for Squeeze alone.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:46 (four years ago) Permalink
Up The Junction is my all-time favorite Squeeze song, no joke.
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:49 (four years ago) Permalink