Jean-Luc Godard: S and D

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he does alot of shittalking tho yes!

007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

do you mean me????

Only in the least denigratory manner possible. It comes from someone who thinks that Godard these days is, as per Network, crusty but benign.... er, neither does that mean I'm calling you crusty. Never mind.

but i'm trying to have that happen less and less.

Whereas Godard appears to be doing it on purpose more and more, I suppose.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

i dont see what we are talking abt wrt godards useless obscurity. is it allusion, disjunction, dbl entendre, metaphor, abstraction, mysticism, fable, wo attribution? im obscure cuz im not talking aloud, victorian, myself. ill kiss clarity and the explicit but i treasure the letter, the communique, the inside joke, btw 2 or 3, the jot to yourself, what any cpl of ppl cn make rt away of a single film. that is in a sense i see something that is not obscure, that is presuming an infinite audience, as threatening to be impersonal

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 02:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

nb ive always thot of godards allusion as a cock thing but its hilarious and wonderful how he justifies it

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 03:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think i mention this on every jlg thread. i may even have done so on this one. but it is absolutely key not to get intimidated by the allusions because godard has never read a book in his life.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't he appear in Notre Musique reading a book?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

He was probably reading a page of a book. To watch him read a book from start to finish, that's a cinéma vérité we'll never see.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
I just finished the MacCabe book. It was decent, great in parts, but mostly unsatisfying. I would like to read a Godard autobiography!

Should I see La Chinoise?

adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

Is that the one about an airport?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

No it's the one about the young Marxist revolutionaries. Very talky. Kind of dry. Not my favorite Godard.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'd hit it. actually i did. it's a satire.

alba -- you mean 'the terminal'.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

it is absolutely key not to get intimidated by the allusions because godard has never read a book in his life.

HE says... Like mid-'80s Morrissey's claims of celibacy, I bet.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

obv i was exaggerating a bit, but it's something to hold in your hand.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

Cinema is JLG trying to be quoted 24 times per second.

Four Seasons, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

In fact, I would posit that's the only thing that he and QT truly have in common.

Style over oeuvre!

Four Seasons, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

S: the inexplicable terrier in the final shot of Bande a Part.

steviespitfire (steviespitfire), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I see my library just got a copy of Notre Musique. Should I rent it?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 28 September 2007 18:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

I rent it when it ws available at mine. Its so incredibly disjointed -- there isn't enough of that energy you get between the formal stuff and simplicity of any of the message.

Watched "Elegy for Love", and I love the shots -- you still get the feeling he's out there somewhere with his digital camera (or whatever) and just getting his eye working, whether it ends on a film or not.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 September 2007 18:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

I saw La Chinoise again last night and liked most parts I was awake for.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

I still haven't seen it yet but school library has the full Histoire(s) Du Cinema, which I'm desperate to see. Also one of my professors mentioned a recent study that proved Godard's quotations usually come from either the first or the last few pages of whatever text he is quoting from. So he's just like the rest of us, really.

admrl, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha i am glad people are doing studies of that sort of thing.

tho i think jlg copped to it himself.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

"lols i haven't really read marx i was too busy sexing anna karina losers"

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't you?

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

well obv.

though i get the impression from the biogs that he wasn't rly, much...

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

No wonder she always looked so bored

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

what did he see in Anna Wiazemsky tho?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

she was a research project into lefty student youth, kindd of, plus she worked with bresson.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Seven years younger

Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

she was friends with cohn-bendit and that lot, and he was kind of fascinated by them. she was possibly an adviser on masculin-feminin, his first film on "that lot". he met a bunch of them at that time, late '65 -- j-p gorin, who he also worked with, too.

i think she's done an autobiography.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

A compilation of Godard bits would be his greatest film ever, and a project he might himself approve. Other than Breathless and Band of Outsiders and maybe Pierrot le Fou, his films have as many dull or awful moments as wondrous ones.

(I did like Notre Musique a lot though).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

one doesn't have to marry one's research projects!

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 15:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Week-End
Bande A Part
Contempt
Masculin Feminin
A Woman is a Woman

are all wonderful

Alphaville
Breathless
Eloge d'amour

are okay

the rest are either forgettable or i haven't seen them

remy bean, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

hooray: band of outsiders, la chinoise, weekend, most of breathless, pierrot le fou

alright i guess: two or three things..., masculin-feminin, the little bit of histoire(s) du cinema i watched once

buhhh: alphaville, the parts of contempt that don't have bardot in them

sauve qui peut has a funny isabelle huppert getting spanked scene if i recall

impudent harlot, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't know what i think about any of them any more, but i think it's important to see all of his films up to the early seventies, or maybe a bit later. i don't get much out of the later ones that i've seen.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I mostly find Contempt a beautiful bore.

Tout va Bien is fun! (esp long supermarket take)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think 'alphaville' is one of my favourites, today.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

faves:
Alphaville
Masculin Feminin
Pierrot le Fou

the others i've seen, all lovable in one way or another:
Bande A Part
Breathless
A Woman is a Woman
Week-End
Contempt
Two or Three Things...

sleep, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 16:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

I stick up for alphaville, too

RJG, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

that isn't my penis

RJG, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

my faves:
week-end
tout va bien
pierrot le fou
contempt
alphaville
notre musique too

everything else i have seen I have at least liked.

t0dd swiss, Thursday, 25 October 2007 04:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

le mepris is the only one i really like

gershy, Thursday, 25 October 2007 04:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

Alphaville: tonight, watching it for the first time in a decade. That strange home-made collage effect of different modes and cultural flotsam: Orwellian dystopia, hard-boiled detectives, computer capitalism. It reminds me of Brecht's consciously half-baked fantasies of America, in its feeling of making it up as it goes along - a sort of experiment in imagination, trying to see what happens if you treat Paris as Alphaville and these scenes as happening in an improbably distant future. How about when Lemmy Caution asks an associate 'Dick Tracy - il est mort?': throw in any bit of cultural fantasy or fiction you want, in some kind of late version of new wave Americana.

Space: walking round and round corridors.

Also space, as in reference to galactic distances.

the pinefox, Friday, 23 November 2007 21:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

Capitale de la Douleur

baaderonixx, Friday, 23 November 2007 23:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

I was watching Alphaville tonight, too. Where can I get a Seductress Third Class?

Joe, Saturday, 24 November 2007 00:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

That's quite a coincidence. I know what you mean, too. The second one, who appears after about an hour, is particularly appealing somehow in her ... I don't know, her divergence from the Godardian / Karina norm - she looks very real.

A pretty crazy picture, in the end. Abstract car chases, film suddenly going negative, that throaty Alpha-60 voice all over the soundtrack along with the usual temporally disruptive spots of music (which run their automatic course then end before anything has finished happening - this more pronounced in Le Mepris than in Alphaville in fact) ... an ending in which the city is suddenly doomed and notre heros is driving away. The missing link, someone else who isn't even Paul Morley must have pointed out, between Nineteen Eighty-Four and Blade Runner.

the pinefox, Saturday, 24 November 2007 00:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

Alphaville

James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 24 November 2007 02:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

How weird, I watched Contempt for the first time last night.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 24 November 2007 02:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I think ILX's art/culture impulses align like sorority sisters' periods.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 24 November 2007 03:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

There's a cinema here that's doing a retrospective of all of Godard's films - currently in the 80s period. Screenings are less than 2 euros, so I could potentially go to all of them but I also have to maintain the appearance of having a social life.
Which of the following should I see?

Prenom: Carmen
Je vous salue, Marie
Detective
Soigne ta droite
King Lear
Nouvelle Vague
Le rapport Darty
Les enfants jouent a la Russie
Allemagne année 90 neuf zéro
Helas pour moi
JLG/JLG - autoportrait de decembre
For Ever Mozart
Histoires du cinema

danzig, Saturday, 24 November 2007 19:29 (5 years ago) Permalink


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