Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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Sea Devils even, jaysus.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (six years ago) Permalink

The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).

Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.

Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:16 (six years ago) Permalink

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (six years ago) Permalink

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (six years ago) Permalink

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (six years ago) Permalink

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/01/murray-gold-returns.html

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (six years ago) Permalink

Ew, yes.

Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (six years ago) Permalink

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (six years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (six years ago) Permalink

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (six years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (six years ago) Permalink

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (six years ago) Permalink

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (six years ago) Permalink

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (six years ago) Permalink

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (six years ago) Permalink

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (six years ago) Permalink

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (six years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (six years ago) Permalink

Awesome choice of picture there.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:43 (six years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.

Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:44 (six years ago) Permalink

Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:46 (six years ago) Permalink

That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:56 (six years ago) Permalink

Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg

There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Simon Nye?? o_O

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:13 (six years ago) Permalink

dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger

this might be why i notice these kinds of things?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:18 (six years ago) Permalink

am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:23 (six years ago) Permalink

portmeirion :o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (six years ago) Permalink

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely

whole show is ruined otherwise

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (six years ago) Permalink

the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?

since when was queen victoria a writer?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:26 (six years ago) Permalink

chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh

Roz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:28 (six years ago) Permalink

whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.

MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:29 (six years ago) Permalink

blueski is correct.

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (six years ago) Permalink

Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (six years ago) Permalink

he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (six years ago) Permalink

No Paul Cornell :(

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should i grow a beard?

joe, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (six years ago) Permalink

Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:36 (six years ago) Permalink

word

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (six years ago) Permalink

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (six years ago) Permalink

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (six years ago) Permalink

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:45 (six years ago) Permalink

I second that post.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:46 (six years ago) Permalink

Wasn't Clara already shown teaching in the school in The Time of the Doctor?

Tuomas, Saturday, 1 March 2014 11:58 (two years ago) Permalink

no, Day Of, like I said

Charles, hatless (sic), Saturday, 1 March 2014 12:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Well anyway, what I meant is that it isn't a huge spoiler she's teaching there by series 8, is it, if we're already seen her there in a previous episode?

Tuomas, Saturday, 1 March 2014 15:01 (two years ago) Permalink

Burying the lede here, I think - a1 ew1ng doing a Matt Smith comic? That's pretty cool.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 1 March 2014 15:18 (two years ago) Permalink

she couldn't be returning if she hadn't already been there.

Charles, hatless (sic), Saturday, 1 March 2014 23:30 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

There's a new teaser trailer thing for series 8, someone start a nu thread with a witty title.

Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 17:08 (two years ago) Permalink

fingers crossed thread title incorporates 'Fuckity Bye'

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 17:09 (two years ago) Permalink

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY: nu-Who season 8

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 17:12 (two years ago) Permalink

Kissing u.

Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 17:13 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I've been rewatching Who lately, and I just finished season 5 (still the best nu-Who season overall, IMO), and I noticed a weird thing in "The Lodger". When Amy is trapped inside the TARDIS, there are a couple of times (most notably in the scene after the Doctor's football game) when she appears to be startled by something that's inside the TARDIS, offscreen to us viewers... But then she just shakes it off, and doesn't say anything about it to the Doctor. I checked the Doctor Who wiki to see if it had any info on this, and someone speculated that one of the Silents was inside the TARDIS, which would explain why Amy sees something, and then seemingly forgets the whole thing a moment later.

If this was indeed intentional on Moffat's part, then it's helluva piece of foreshadowing, because it's barely noticable and it's never mentioned again. I know there's a more obvious piece of foreshadowing in the episode, since the fake TARDIS the Doctor investigates is revealed to be built by the Silence in season 6, but this is way more subliminal. The timing would certainly be right: "The Lodger" takes place right before the season 5 finale, so presumably whatever it is the Silence did to make the TARDIS explode was done aroung this time.

Tuomas, Monday, 13 June 2016 08:40 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

JUst seeing headlines on Facebook about Capaldi definitely staying beyond season 10 which, is nice.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 20:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

:D

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 22:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

great, he should stay on indefinitely

akm, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 23:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Eh, indefinitely wears thin after a while - Matt Smith was great to start with, but then he (or I suspect Moffat) wore that into a nub of antics. On the plus side, the best two seasons so far have been a show-runner's first.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 23:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

On the minus side, neither of those showrunners have been Chris Chibnall.

chap, Thursday, 4 August 2016 09:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

On the plus side, the best two seasons so far have been a show-runner's first.

I'd argue pretty strongly that 4 > 1

Don't boo, vote (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2016 13:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I can see that argument, I prefer Donna over Rose, but I prefer Ecclestone a lot over Tennant (I should in fairness go back and rewatch them, I may have softened on Tennant, he'd just really really worn out his welcome, and that was before the never-ending goodbye).

A lot of the stories in Season 4 are just a bit meh (Partners in Crime, Planet of the Ood, The Doctor's Daughter, The Unicorn and the Wasp), though it does really build towards a storming end, which definitely affected me more than either The Parting of the Ways or Doomsday.

Whereas apart from the silly Aliens of London / World War III, the first series has Rose / The End of the World / Dalek / The Long Game / Father's Day / The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances / Boom Town / Bad Wolf / The Parting of the Ways - that's definitely enough to tip it over for me.

A lot of this is definitely affected by its context as the first new Doctor Who season, and the poses it sets out about what a new DW could be - The End of the World is a MASSIVE beneficiary of this, for example - but that's still the context I know it in.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 4 August 2016 14:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I like 9 over 10 as far as Doctors go but 4 was an incredible season (not to take away from 1 because that was also incredible)

Don't boo, vote (DJP), Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Season 1 is still my favourite, probably, if only because it gave me by far the most joy at the time.

apart from the silly Aliens of London / World War III

I even thought this was good back in the day!

chap, Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

A lot of the stories in Season 4 are just a bit meh (Partners in Crime, Planet of the Ood, The Doctor's Daughter, The Unicorn and the Wasp)

I think two of those are good! But would agree on the other two.

chap, Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The first half of S4 ranges from meh to complete shit (the Doctor's Daughter) but it turns a corner after that one and the second half is very strong.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 August 2016 15:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The first half of S4 ranges from meh to complete shit (the Doctor's Daughter) but it turns a corner after that one

You could say it turns left.

Pleeesiosaur (Leee), Thursday, 4 August 2016 17:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

JUst seeing headlines on Facebook about Capaldi definitely staying beyond season 10 which, is nice.

These are presumably responses to Moffat merely saying, in April this year, that Capaldi hadn't given notice that he would need to be written out in the 2017 Christmas special; he's on one-year contracts, and they haven't started filming S10 yet, let alone Moffat having to think about writing the episode which will shoot next year.

Possibly this information appeared behind the headlines; I don't know how Facebook works.

Shakey δσς (sic), Friday, 5 August 2016 04:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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