Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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Sea Devils even, jaysus.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).

Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.

Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/01/murray-gold-returns.html

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ew, yes.

Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome choice of picture there.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.

Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg

There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Simon Nye?? o_O

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger

this might be why i notice these kinds of things?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

portmeirion :o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely

whole show is ruined otherwise

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?

since when was queen victoria a writer?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh

Roz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.

MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

blueski is correct.

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

No Paul Cornell :(

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should i grow a beard?

joe, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

word

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I second that post.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

I thought about that explanation, but since the Doctor was heavily involved in thwarting those earlier threats to Earth, if the Ghost was doing the same, you'd think they had met in the past? Yet it's heavily implied neither has seen each other since Grant was a kid. Also, wanna bet than when those earlier events are referred to in future episodes, no one will mention that a mysterious superhero was there fighting the Daleks/Cybermen/Sycorax/Sontarans?

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 December 2016 10:13 (two months ago) Permalink

He is restricted in scope because he's got an alarm that goes off every 15 minutes that reminds him to go wank on one of her dresses.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 29 December 2016 13:01 (two months ago) Permalink

You should probably not watch Torchwood. xp

nashwan, Thursday, 29 December 2016 13:09 (two months ago) Permalink

ITT someone gets mad about mutable continuity in a show about mutable continuity

¶ (DJP), Thursday, 29 December 2016 14:56 (two months ago) Permalink

nu-who spends an inordinate amount of time in america. i understand the commercial reasons, but as a viewer who's not in america it's increasingly jarring.

― Autumn Almanac

as a viewer who is in america i can't understand the reasons. doctor who you suck at america. go back to wales.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 December 2016 16:02 (two months ago) Permalink

in my first and only TV voice-over job i had to convince the (British) director that an American would never say, let alone understand, the word "rosette" in the context of receiving a prize. they would say "ribbon". it took an awfully long time to win the argument. less hard-headed ppl than me would have just been like, fuck it

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 December 2016 19:42 (two months ago) Permalink

<19>"What does "bb" mean?"

― Tuomas,</i>

it's something you masturbate in the same room as

akm, Thursday, 29 December 2016 21:32 (two months ago) Permalink

gah fuck those html tags

akm, Thursday, 29 December 2016 21:32 (two months ago) Permalink

"what's the deal with all this regressive male nanny talk. oh right women are the ones who make babies and that is their defining characteristic per moffat."

I think Moffat thought viewers would react this way to a male nanny and thus spent a lot of time pointing to the situation and going "no, you see, it's TOTALLY ALL RIGHT". Well intentioned but perhaps selling the general public of 2016 a bit short.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 30 December 2016 11:47 (two months ago) Permalink

The viewing pubic in the U.K. voted for Brexit and the viewing public in the US elected Trump. If anything, he was giving viewers too much credit.

¶ (DJP), Friday, 30 December 2016 16:11 (two months ago) Permalink

i live in progressive minded Berkeley and even here a male nanny is a rare exception; let's not pretend like there is complete gender parity in the nanny profession. pointing out the rarity of it isn't like saying "omg, a FEMALE doctor?"

akm, Friday, 30 December 2016 17:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Also this is for values of TOTALLY ALL RIGHT which include being a super-creeper.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 December 2016 19:21 (two months ago) Permalink

As someone who's been pretty consistently into the Moffat era of the show, this was really, really bad. Mostly due to every element of the superhero plot, which seems like it could've easily been excised from the episode without really affecting the colonization plot at all.

what is the lever disease? (Old Lunch), Friday, 30 December 2016 22:19 (two months ago) Permalink

let's not pretend like there is complete gender parity in the nanny profession. pointing out the rarity of it isn't like saying "omg, a FEMALE doctor?"

― akm, Saturday, 31 December 2016 04:54 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, but it's not remarkable enough to point out explicitly. this is a show that (since 2005 especially) has women and men doing all sorts of things that weren't common 50 years ago, and everyone gets on with it and nobody bats an eyelid.

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 30 December 2016 22:43 (two months ago) Permalink

As someone who's been pretty consistently into the Moffat era of the show, this was really, really bad. Mostly due to every element of the superhero plot, which seems like it could've easily been excised from the episode without really affecting the colonization plot at all.

Except of course for the final resolution.

¶ (DJP), Saturday, 31 December 2016 02:33 (two months ago) Permalink

DJP, I doubt there's a considerable overlap between Trump/Brexit voters and people who watch Doctor Who tho.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 31 December 2016 13:14 (two months ago) Permalink

The colonisation plot was pretty rote stuff in its own right, it was mainly there to give some conflict to the superhero plot. The whole thing felt super phoned in.

Matt DC, Saturday, 31 December 2016 13:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it was pretty disappointing, because Dr. Who + superheroes could've provided a fertile mixture, but now both part of the story were stuff we're super predictable, there were none of the sort of cool surprises this sort of genre play could provide in the best case. The superhero identity hijinks were stuff we've seen for decades with Spider-Man/Superman/etc, and the alien invasion plot was recycled from "Aliens of London".

Tuomas, Saturday, 31 December 2016 15:30 (two months ago) Permalink

When does BBC start the new season? Only seeing it listed as Spring still.
Glad there'll be no Carla. Not sure about presence of Nardole, could become wearing.
Hope Bill will be ok.

Stevolende, Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:01 (two months ago) Permalink

I thought I heard the guy say April during the end credits.

Frobisher, Saturday, 31 December 2016 20:05 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah april.

there is no character named 'carla'

akm, Saturday, 31 December 2016 21:38 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I enjoyed the special while it was on, but it was basically shit. I'd have resolved the romance subplot with her knocking him back for repeatedly neglecting her baby.

Like many people, enjoyed Lucas a lot more than I thought I would.

chap, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 15:17 (one month ago) Permalink

Next season trailer was exciting, but it always is.

chap, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 15:18 (one month ago) Permalink


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