Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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Sea Devils even, jaysus.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).

Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.

Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/01/murray-gold-returns.html

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ew, yes.

Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome choice of picture there.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.

Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg

There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Simon Nye?? o_O

unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Chibnall ;_;

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger

this might be why i notice these kinds of things?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

portmeirion :o

conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely

whole show is ruined otherwise

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?

since when was queen victoria a writer?

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh

Roz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.

MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

blueski is correct.

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

No Paul Cornell :(

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should i grow a beard?

joe, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

word

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I second that post.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, nice design and mood in this one, great interaction between Doc and Bill, let down by a distinctly average plot and very bland secondary characters.

chap, Sunday, 23 April 2017 22:07 (five days ago) Permalink

nice ark in space reference in this episode, too, i think?

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Sunday, 23 April 2017 22:18 (five days ago) Permalink

Yeah so the bit where everything is solved by the idea of paying rent to landlords ...

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, April 24, 2017 3:59 AM (five hours ago)

Alternatively, reparations.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, April 24, 2017 4:26 AM (four hours ago)

it's a Reverse Silurians

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Sunday, 23 April 2017 23:42 (five days ago) Permalink

Capaldi seriously channeling Tom Baker, both in voice and face, at times

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 24 April 2017 01:27 (four days ago) Permalink

I thought this was going to have the same ending as The Happiness Patrol and was initially happy it didn't, then have gotten progressively annoyed about the ending they actually went with.

Like, okay the robots gained sentience and were de facto enslaved as a result, I get that; they weren't sentient when the whole thing started and they decided to start mulching sad people afaict, and even if they were having the resolution be "suck up to the monsters that ate the cute kid's mom" is deeply unsatisfying. I also don't get why Bill would be so on board with this, given that she had just found out that this enclave of humans was one of the last bunches in existence. I also don't buy the Doctor cavalierly wiping the robots' memories, given that he'd just discovered they were sentient and that he just went through all of that angst with Bill over wiping her mind and how that tied to the lingering angst from the mind wipe that pulled Clara out of his memory.

That said, the Doctor/Bill interaction continues to be fantastic and Bill feels much more like a real person than Clara did. The first 3/4 of the episode were super creepy in all of the right ways. It would have been kind of funny to see Amy and Rory in that place; I assume Rory would have been vaporized instantly.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 24 April 2017 14:55 (four days ago) Permalink

Yeah I felt they probably had to cobble an ending together quickly, and tried to press a few different moral 'keys' but just made a noise, sort of thing

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:40 (four days ago) Permalink

The irritating thing is that they could have gone with the solution they used but shifted the reactions to it and the story would have been stronger for it; The Doctor muted and regretful about wiping the Vardi's memory, Bill asking the Doctor if erasing memories is his solution to everything, more focus on the colonists' attempts to reconcile the danger they placed themselves in with the second chance to have better communication lines to avoid its repeat, etc. It wasn't a happy ending and seemed like the writing was really forcing it to be; they should have leaned a little more into the ambiguous melancholy and let the adults spin some more, which also would have helped make the kid's reconciliation with the robots sound a much more forceful hopeful note than the random aside it actually got.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:02 (four days ago) Permalink

someone remind me; did the doctor's memory of clara get wiped?

akm, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:38 (four days ago) Permalink

Yes. It's something else they should have woven into the resolution of this, given that they just made reference to it in the previous episode.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:42 (four days ago) Permalink

Is that related to the oath he swore? Who did he swear it to, River?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:50 (four days ago) Permalink

AFAIK we don't know anything about the oath yet.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:51 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah there seems to have been some time passed between the Xmas specials and now. we don't know what's down there (although I gather it's related to the OG Cybermen who are coming back) or what the hell is going on.

akm, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:23 (four days ago) Permalink

He did say he was 2000+ years old now, so we've obviously got a big gap (even though that ignores the billion years he lived through in "Heaven Sent").

Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:36 (four days ago) Permalink

He said he was over 2000 in Capaldi's first episode

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:07 (three days ago) Permalink

(and the second and third Doctors were both thousands of years old)

(Moffatt has always said offscreen that the Doctor has no idea how old he is)

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:09 (three days ago) Permalink

Doctor regularly wiped everybody's memories in the human/zygon struggles, not sure he has that big a problem with it

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 04:31 (three days ago) Permalink

"Smile" began well, but thinking about it after a few days, that mad jumble of an ending is its most memorable part.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:32 (three days ago) Permalink

Lol @ trying to reconcile every last ad hoc flimsy plot device various hack writers have tossed off for a kids TV show over course of 50 years tbh

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 08:07 (three days ago) Permalink

Doctor regularly wiped everybody's memories in the human/zygon struggles, not sure he has that big a problem with it

This was before he got his own mind wiped and got super emo about it, as shown in the end of Hell Bent and in the interaction with Bill at the end of The Pilot.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 13:44 (three days ago) Permalink

so he's a billion years old but doesn't know it?

fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 13:51 (three days ago) Permalink

Not exactly--that billion years was experienced by billions of different bodies, and his current self only experienced the very last (what was it--an hour?) cycle of Heaven Sent.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 23:52 (three days ago) Permalink

ah okay

fucking pop records (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 23:53 (three days ago) Permalink

each "cycle" of Heaven Sent takes a couple of days or so for the participants, depending on how long each new Doctor takes to figure things out (and even if they were rigid, the later ones obv each take a few seconds longer than their predecessors, as he makes it further through the bird speech)

(±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 01:32 (two days ago) Permalink


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