Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Silurians and Sea Monsters are cousins anyway so np.

Sea Devils even, jaysus.

The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).

Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.

Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.

Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

Ew, yes.

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5952/eleventhdoctorpromojanu.jpg

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Awesome choice of picture there.

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.

Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/393564/doctor_who_new_series_writers_lineup.html

That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.

Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg

There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.

Simon Nye?? o_O

Chibnall ;_;

dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger

this might be why i notice these kinds of things?

am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?

portmeirion :o

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely

whole show is ruined otherwise

the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?

since when was queen victoria a writer?

chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh

whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.

MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

blueski is correct.

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?

he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.

No Paul Cornell :(

Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

should i grow a beard?

Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.

word

As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly

seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition

(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.

Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.

question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?

I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?

I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.

Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.

don't know if this was addressed on the last thread or not as i walked in just as it was ending but donna is probably my favourite of the companions so far in nu-who not least for being a bit smarter, older, less in thrall to the doctor than rose or martha

didn't expect that at all as i don't rate catherine tate as an actor or a comedian

Yeah, I’m not sure how many inches that pendulum can swing before it’s in “that was ridiculous, two old men running and jumping all over the place” territory

I liked it for a while but by the end I felt like Moffatt thinks we are sadder to see him go than we really are

nah this isn't abt Moffat or his ego, it's the opposite: End Of Time was the most popular story in all of nu-Who, so despite it suuuuucking, Moffat follows what was RTD's crowd-pleasing set-up both times.

remember that Moffat was exhausted and wrote his intended final episodes almost three (3!!!) years ago: Heaven Sent / Hell Bent / Husbands were produced as his finale, down to the golden The End being written onscreen. then he got begged back for another year until Chinballs was ready, had to take a year to recover, but gave us the amazing Capaldi / Bill pairing... and then had to come back AGAIN to bump the regeneration and add on a Christmas special he hadn't planned on. The ending was nine damp squibs fizzling in a row, but it's not because he thought that either the audience or himself wanted more of him.

obv I've said that before, new script editor needed in my production office

did you have moff round for tea or something

hahahaha

opinions in the short para, public facts in the other

grand moff larkin’

Thanks for the behind-the-scenes sic, I feel a lot more forgiving to Moffat now. I found this whole episode really disjointed; the armistice moment wasn't earned at all, if Ypres was the main setting of the episode it could have been excellent. Capaldi's farewell rounds/farewell speech was agonizing

Back to Gold for a second, did anyone else notice the truly weird soundtrack change two-thirds of the way through when Bill asks 'why are you not regenerating' of Capaldi, the soundtrack builds with an 'action is happening' theme, then when Capaldi replies 'there has to be an end Bill', the soundtrack yanks the handbrake and begins a wistful, ain't-we-full-of-regret theme. It's really jarring and I think somebody in the editing suite was trying to make a deadline and spaced out

Glad to hear the rumours that Gold is sodding off

God I hope they aren’t just rumors

I don't think there's a been soundtrack so bad or intrusive in any recent TV show has there? I mean a lot of dull soundtracks sure but Gold is just obnoxious, always trying to make you have a rosy golden warm feeling

*there's been a

I think he brought some welcome cinematic drama to more than a few of my favorite 10th and 11th Dr stories but his style has calcified and started to really grate.

Not unlike Giacchino’s scores for Lost which were minimal, fresh and bravely weird at first but eventually turned into self-parody over time (along with the rest of that show) - talented composer, stuck in self-inflicted rut, doomed by excessively long run.

And sound editors who keep sticking him too high in the mix

Gatiss's departure at the end of this undercut by his resemblance to Tim McInnerny as Captain Darling.

saw an interview with Moffat where he bemoaned that having to come back again meant the regeneration happened at Christmas, when he was pleased at breaking the pattern previously

gold star for u tiger

for u!

I enjoyed this. I wasn’t expecting multiple callbacks to Into the Dales, though.

This was great but I'm not sure Bill being a duplicate was a very satisfying way to end her arc (though I guess that was the point). i enjoyed the big speech and even Gatiss was good, an achievement in itself.

Bingo on many Moff tropes:
Timey-wimey / location-hopping
"It's a big not a feature" / No villain
Screwball dialog - great, then overstaying its welcome
Everything gets summed up with a big meta speech
Being 20% terrible and 80% very, very good indeed
Making my partner cry more than once an episode

I think Capaldi would've got the best regeneration episode BY FAR if they'd just kept it to the end of last season as planned. But I still think Matt Smith's was the best (and underrated, except possibly by sic).

Overall I still get excited to see Moffat's name in the writing credits - he might not have bettered Blink but he definitely equalled his other RTD episodes. And he's forgiven for the last episode of Sherlock (one of the worst things I've ever seen).

All the nu-Who, available now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p06870tz

Awesome. Time to blub at Human Nature again I guess.

Brain Of Morbius is a story that showed onscreen faces of the Doctor pre-Hartnell, that have never been referred to before or since

Yeah, this is a pretty contentious claim. Also, some of them are probably Morbius's faces.

It's only contentious because nerds; it's plainly what the production team intended at the time. (As well as in-joking by including themselves.)

Turns out that it was only the production staff / freelancers (plus one guy who worked down the hall) because an open call for volunteers from BBC staff got zero responses

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-UFtbiXkAAZbt3.jpg

Haha that’s some confusing self-and-others quoting, I thought you were disproving your own point for a minute.