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also what wooster class is it where they tell you emulating forty year old (or older) musical tropes is 'progress'?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

also what wooster class is it where they tell you emulating forty year old (or older) musical tropes is 'progress'?

Is this some sort of joke?

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

ddrake could you provide specific examples of what it is in the music you find lacking? (ie. at least go thru the motions of making an argument 'relevant' to this thread)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

So argue with me about it rather than personally insulting a talking head on the internet.

http://www.persil.co.uk/images/in/images2/ironing.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

Cinniblount, reread the thread before you say another thing.
Take note of which side you are arguing with.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

it's not a joke ddrake - what class is it where they tell you emulating the past is progress?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/jlpiad.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

haha - which "side"???? so wait - is this an ACTUAL game of dodgeball?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

was it geology ddrake?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

Here were the two things that kicked off my involvement with this thread, cinniblount.

1. My contention that "Extended songs, with long organic instrumental sections" were not in fact progressive and were in fact REgressive.

2. My intentionally provacative comment that this was a "white" perspective.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.pcusa.org/today/images/cover/0902/wooster.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link

This was followed by the bully on the playground scene.

The flagpoll! 12:05 AM EST!

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

is 'intentionally provocative' (note spelling) supposed to be a good thing? shouldn't there be a general rule that people shouldn't pretend aesthetics older than themselves are 'progressive' or 'new'?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

ddrake does wooster have a college radio station?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/keithpiad.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

surreal

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

This thread has actually prompted me to listen to The Infamous. Aw, there, see ddrake, aren't you happy now? Oh tell me you are happy! I cannot live without your approval!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

well Alex I am pretty reactionary in that way, it is a personal failing of mine

I'll concede the poem to be "powerful," but I've always had a weakness for Baraka's style - this weakness is I suspect is in fact related to my tendency to say things like "oh, if he wrote that, then fuck 'im." It's here: http://www.amiribaraka.com/blew.html

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

I am beginning to doubt ddrake actually goes to wooster

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you for correcting my spelling.
You guys can be some real bitches.
Forget a "discussion," lets gang up on the kid who disagrees with us/challenges the hive mind.
What 40 year old aesthetic am I considering progressive?

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

"bitches" - how progressive!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

Ned Raggett here to pound my puny internerd-ego again! WOOOHOOO!

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

raggett smash

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

David, what does being a "liason to recyclers" actually involve?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/Sch5.gif

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

lets gang up on the kid who disagrees with us/challenges the hive mind

Oh, you're not Geir, you're Doompatrol! Makes sense now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Well, its been fun gentlemen.
I'm sorry I'm not conforming to yr opinions.

I should have just posted "Anticon" and run away.

damn.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't you have homework to do anyway? Please, pursue your education.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Would hip-hop being taken to new levels involve playing the cornet, David?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

fight the power ddrake! (the power = geology ta)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/owned-roadkill.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

Ned- he's not even decided his major yet!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

ok I gotta go to bed - everybody pls. hearken to Nihilist Pop Star as he is a total genius

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

YES! Nihilist rules herein. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:14 (twenty years ago) link

God, I seriously don't think i'll ever post here again. I get more useful responses out of users on average metal music boards- anbd that's saying a lot. Or maybe I'll just stick to more obscure shit in the future instead of bringing up some contentious topic that everyone has a pre-formulated opinion on. For those of you who posted, or are going to post actual answers, thanks. I'll check out the artists and associations you mentioned.

I'll leave the circus now. :-)

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:15 (twenty years ago) link

How long have you been playing the cornet David, anyway? Shouldn't you have chosen a blacker musical instrument to play, anyway?

(Oh, and, yes, God bless the Nihilist)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, this shit is all in good fun and everything, but looking up my personal information on the internet is pretty fucking low.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:17 (twenty years ago) link

You'd prefer mindreading? I mean, sure, you're so great at it and all...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:19 (twenty years ago) link

Hey ned.
And I'm serious here...

fuck you.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

I'm glad to see this thread has descended into cyberstalking.

Who wants to join my Friendster web?

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.cupidalaska.com/juror8/owned4.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

"I Can" by Nas presents a much-needed alternative to the wilfully ignorant bling bling culture prevalent in rap today, offering as it does an intelligent look into the failings of the American dream, an American dream ironically set up by the very same middle class white kids purchasing hip hop in the suburbs today.

― were you serious? (benwelsh), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:28 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is depressing, if only for the revelation that J0hn Darn13ll3 is the Republican governor of New Jersey.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:36 (twenty years ago) link

At least he's not Rick Santorum. ;0

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:39 (twenty years ago) link

just one state westward and he would be!

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:39 (twenty years ago) link

If James who started this is still around: the reason people have avoided actually answering your question is that this discussion has been had countless numbers of times on ILM. That's all. A lot of corny indie fuckitude has been committed in the name of "progress," nor that there's a lot of people here who are tired of the topic. None of which is your fault or has anything to do w/you.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:40 (twenty years ago) link

strike that "nor that there's" and change it to "and there's"

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:41 (twenty years ago) link

also, "taken to new levels" is really a hackle-raising kind of topic sentence, as it implies that the levels it's already at are subpar or need fixing.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:42 (twenty years ago) link

Stence OTM. Yeah this thread is totally depressing. Makes me wonder why I spend a lot of time on ILX.

Is Darnielle really saying that because of something Baraka said in 2001, we ought to discount his writings from the 60s?!

Is Blount really belittling someone for the school they attend? Is Ned really playing along with this?

Did Dom Passatino really go look up a poster's personal information on the internet, and then come back to the thread with it giggling like a little fucking schoolgirl?

Unbelievable.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:42 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but Matos the way this thread exploded was totally ridiculous (not saying that you might not feel the same way, just saying). The dude just wanted some suggestions, seemingly. I agree that the title's a little goofy, but that's par for the course.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:43 (twenty years ago) link

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