lol at cosmology at 1:00 in dark star video
― caek, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Just thinking about San Frandisco's question.
I suppose I see Yacht Rock as upper class because that was its image I guess, rock stars sailing out to international waters to have parties. And as poor as I am the Balearic islands might as well be on Mars. I've never been to Europe and unless the factory I work at suddenly gives me a 6 dollar an hour raise I very likely will never go there. Cheap dollar bin records (or very obscure psych ones) are a readily accessible commodity where yachts and international vacations are out of reach.
Rural america on the other hand is something I have a far too intimate a knowledge of to think of as escapist. A couple of years in the country gave me a great Southern rock collection, but it almost drove me out of my mind. I've got no desire to go back to living with ex Meth addicts so that I can round out my Americana collection.
Here's some Shawn Phillips.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/50154308677b8d28/
For a folkie, he sure brought the funk sometimes.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
the shawn phillips album Spaced is a bunch of his outtakes that are all jazz funked out. tons of rhodes and breaks. even has a dj shadow sample on it
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7859/o68602dl2.jpg
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Sounds tasty.
Someone needs to do a Venn diagram so I know how this all fits in with rare groove, acid jazz, etc.
For example, is the Azymuth album Balearic?
Is it Rare Groove? Is it Cosmic Disco?
I guess its definitely not hippie Beardo, but it fits in a lot of these categories.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Oops misspelled that, I meant the Azimuth album. Not the stuff that they did as Azymuth.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000KB1Y1S.01-A3HKN0V35GPHDY._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37305148_.jpg
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
― joe 40oz (deej), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Is Shuggie Otis a hippie? Balearic?
― psychgawsple, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 05:02 (fifteen years ago) link
he's from la so i guess so
― winston, Thursday, 23 October 2008 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Tusk, obv
― winston, Thursday, 23 October 2008 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm kinda interested in the Scandinavian/Kraut/European side of this spectrum
mebbe a couple of the less psych-y more rockin' Pekka Streng tracks.
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link
in that regard, what about that alf emil eik guy that's on lindstrom's late night tales?
― winston, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd also be interested in any Australian suggestions coz i got nothing.
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I had a great pizza and bottle of wine tonight and the restaurant played tusk and I thought of this thread. so tusk.
― caek, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Flash and the Pan have already been suggested, wilter.
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link
oh yeah!
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I actually downloaded the self-titled Dingoes album just to see if it fit in here, it doesn't really lol.
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link
brennan green played a mental as anything track on beats in space once
― Deep House, M.D. (haitch), Thursday, 23 October 2008 02:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Whatever the first track is on the Västkustska Ryggdunkarsällskapet mix for 'Cool in the Pool' is pretty fantastic for this thread.
I guess the whole mix is, actually. Pure Scandinavian beachy beardo bliss. Emphasis on the beardo
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 03:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, for some reason I had never heard this until someone mentioned it in a related post...
http://www.batini.com/sales/cd/canflowmotion.jpg
I didn't know Can got so Polynesian ha. It's so great because they fail at the Steely Dan thing but in their own amazing way
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe (ahem) jan akkerman's oil in the family?middle eastern guitars vs disco beat etc etc
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 07:22 (fifteen years ago) link
back home I listened again to it and, under the carelessly flat production and the cheesy sound, there's still beautifully summery in it - but maybe its just me.big in turkey, apparently.
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
dude, listen to some earlier akkerman. gets rid of all that shitty smooth production
― jaxon, Thursday, 23 October 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I have this one too: but in that case, shitty smooth production is okay for me! : )
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Really love that Pekka Streng and Tasavallan Presidentti album, looking forward to finding more from Streng-- thanks for the reccomendation.
From a completely different angle...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/618JMTSC8WL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
this is the kind of thread that my wallet can't stand!
― poortheatre, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
??http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/c/cherry_don~_brownrice_101b.jpg??
― poortheatre, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I would say yes, esp. the title track.And what about Gary Burton's "Vibrafinger"?
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Surely a bunch of ECM stuff (Metheny, Tibbets, Eberhard Weber)
― P'zone, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
<img src = http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5125K29V55L._SL500_AA240_.jpg>
^^^^ JJ Cale's "Naturally," (among other LPs by him)... it's perhaps a little obvious, but necessary
― Romeo Jones, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
oops
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5125K29V55L._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
...isn't most of this stuff in the dollar bins? I thought that was kind of the point, but I guess it's all relative to your region/local record stores
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link
also, where should I start with the ECM albums? Never was too big on Jarrett, but ECM has huuuuge and intimidatingly awesome-looking catalog.
I guess Azimuth was mentioned
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Pat Metheny - First Circle
― P'zone, Thursday, 23 October 2008 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HNMG7ER5L._SS500_.jpg
― Romeo Jones, Thursday, 23 October 2008 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Plus, the whole Laurel Canyon-beach vibe you're going for just doesn't make sense to me. Guess I just don't see how the 'beachy' side fits in, especially in "If I Could Only Remember My Name," which has always been about the mountains for me (who cares what the cover looks like).
Well, I think that record concerns both beach + mountain. Mt. Tamalpais, Big Sur, that whole vibe...and l.a. winding canyons
For that matter, where do nineties+ revivalists like these guys and their offshoots fit in?http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-876173-1168133506.jpeg
As far as ppl consciously making very explicitly "beach" vibe records, ya gotta take these guys into account, right?
― del (dell), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-876173-1168133506.jpeg
― del (dell), Thursday, 23 October 2008 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
oh goddamnit, i need to fix this balls image link. fucking internet
― del (dell), Thursday, 23 October 2008 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link
For that matter, where do nineties+ revivalists like these guys and their offshoots fit in?
As far as ppl consciously making very explicitly "beach" vibe records, ya gotta take these guys into account, right?http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2967347627_8427e6f398.jpg?v=0
― del (dell), Thursday, 23 October 2008 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Cool thread, though. The geography+music thing, which I'm assuming must have been discussed previously on ilm, is something that I think about often.
Quick thoughts along those lines:a. I always thought sixties l.a. scene (beach boys, byrds, love, etc.) blew away its bay area counterpart, but in recent years i've come to soak up and more fully appreciate northern ca goodness like sly stone, grateful dead, the jefferson airplanes...b. maybe much of l.a. music wow-dom is due to the ambition factor- ppl historically have gone there to "make it"...and/or some of them end up playing in highly "professionalized" environments as studio musicians-- hence you end up with yr "yacht rock" acts, etc...by contrast, nocal is more "laid-back" for real, and so stuff comes out of there that lacks the chart-making urgency that l.a. stuff has. this is a theory with millions of holes in it, but i'm throwing it out there nonethelessc. when i lived near the beach i paradoxically had less interest than usual in the kind of music that is the subject of this thread, but both before and after, being fairly landlocked back east i have found myself with a renewed appreciation for this kind of stuffd. i never delved properly into rickie lee jones' catalog until i moved back east, but now that i'm here, without exception every time that i listen to her, i am immediately transported back to california. that seems weird to mee. i have been reading lots lately about the history of seventies porn films in southern california/sf/nyc. i'm wondering if there are musical analogues to this phenomenon? i'm inclined to think "yes"-- the way ppl talk about the nyc films vs west coast reminds me of ppl talking about vu vs golden state "hippies"
― del (dell), Thursday, 23 October 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
omg i have hella listed to that album so many times on highway 1. the beach + mountains equation seems to be a large part of what this thread is going for
― psychgawsple, Friday, 24 October 2008 02:13 (fifteen years ago) link
That's awesome. Seriously.
Yeah, I've always been a passenger when I was on journeys along those lines, and it was always some situation where I was in a car in which the stereo was busted or the equivalent thereof.
That being said, as unlikely as it may sound, early Scott Walker served me well traversing the Marin headlands...and also, one of my best memories of hearing "Eight Miles High" was when driving south towards SFO airport territory and seeing a huge bank of fog eclipsing the water.
In short, I am deep green with envy as far as it concerns being able to soak in these musics in their proper contexts. Like, smoke up and drive across the Bixby bridge or go do it up on some beach thereabouts while listening to "Draft Morning" or some such. I think it's worthwhile to do, even if only in the spirit of experimentation as far as concerns these music/geography nexuses.
― del (dell), Friday, 24 October 2008 02:28 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd like to know more about what those crazy hippies were listening to in Ibiza or Goa before the whole balearic style emerged...
http://www.goagil.com/albums/Scrapbook/OLD_GOA_2.sized.jpg
― psychgawsple, Friday, 24 October 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Alt-F "Danny O'Keefe"
:(
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lp801ea9.jpg
I heard the great whales crying,saying, "Brother, brother, we are dying."
― nippevenette (unregistered), Friday, 24 October 2008 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5928/lp801ea9.jpg
Does this thing fit in here somewhere?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/493414410_5d1852d241.jpg
I can't really look at the thread title without the pictures of the freaks in the gatefold popping into my head to the tune of 'Pali Gap'. There's that whole globe-trotting jetting-off-to-a-hippie-beach-party vibe in the (terrible) film too.
― NickB, Friday, 24 October 2008 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe much of l.a. music wow-dom is due to the ambition factor- ppl historically have gone there to "make it"...and/or some of them end up playing in highly "professionalized" environments as studio musicians-- hence you end up with yr "yacht rock" acts, etc...by contrast, nocal is more "laid-back" for real, and so stuff comes out of there that lacks the chart-making urgency that l.a. stuff has. this is a theory with millions of holes in it, but i'm throwing it out there nonetheless
OTM I think - one of the things that links IICORMN and No Other (see poll thread), as well as Forever Changes (Beach Boys too, come to think of it) is the odd disjunctive MOR associations you get with each - The odd Anita Kerr harmonies on Tamalpais ....on the Crosby records, the no quite schmaltz of Strength of Strings, the Herb Alpert-ness of Clark and Hilldale....
― sonofstan, Friday, 24 October 2008 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe those associations only seem odd because we've been fed this myth about the 60s, about how them cool hippies and folkies were against pop and Hollywood schmaltz. But in reality, American folk and pop have always been inextricably linked.
That said, I don't think this applies to the Beach Boys. They grew up in the pop realm.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 24 October 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Good point.The individual Byrds pre- careers are exemplary in this respect
― sonofstan, Friday, 24 October 2008 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link