58 songs that appeared on at least two of the three lists
I've heard all but about 10 of these. I don't feel so completely out of it now.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
That MetaCritics list is just odd. It's a strange universe in which those particular artists would be measured as best of the decade. I guess their methodology is pretty transparent, but it doesn't seem to work. I think they end up making a list of critical darlings who slogged through the decade making lots of generally well-reviewed albums that never really broke through.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Here's the Metacritic Best Albums of the Decade, I don't think anyone's posted it yet:
1 SMiLE by Brian Wilson 2004 97 7.9 2 Van Lear Rose by Loretta Lynn 2004 97 9.0 3 Stankonia by OutKast 2000 95 8.4 4 Savane by Ali Farka Toure 2006 94 8.2 5 Madvillainy by Madvillainy 2004 93 8.7 6 Love And Theft by Bob Dylan 2001 93 8.8 7 Boy In Da Corner by Dizzee Rascal 2004 92 9.0 8 Elephant by The White Stripes 2003 92 8.2 9 A Grand Don’t Come For Free by The Streets 2004 91 7.7 10 Speakerboxxx/The Love Below by OutKast 2003 91 9.1 11 Canto by Los Super Seven 2001 91 8.0 12 From Here We Go Sublime by The Field 2007 90 6.5 13 Illinois by Sufjan Stevens 2005 90 8.8 14 Original Pirate Material by The Streets 2002 90 8.9 15 Alice by Tom Waits 2002 90 9.5 16 Is This It? by The Strokes 2001 90 8.6 17 Funeral by Arcade Fire 2004 90 9.4 18 London Zoo by The Bug 2008 90 6.0 19 Untrue by Burial 2007 90 7.4 20 XTRMNTR by Primal Scream 2000 90 8.7 21 Z by My Morning Jacket 2005 90 8.2 22 Since I Left You by The Avalanches 2001 89 9.3 23 Rounds by Four Tet 2003 89 8.9 24 Neon Golden by The Notwist 2003 89 9.0 25 Modern Times by Bob Dylan 2006 89 8.4 26 Miss E… So Addictive by Missy Elliott 2001 89 7.9 27 HoboSapiens by John Cale 2004 89 9.5 28 Bachelor No. 2 (or, the last remains of the dodo) by Aimee Mann 2000 89 9.4 29 Fed by Plush 2008 89 7.6 30 Last Exit by Junior Boys 2004 89 8.2 31 Merriweather Post Pavilion by Animal Collective 2009 89 8.5 32 Songs For The Deaf by Queens of the Stone Age 2002 89 9.2 33 Wearemonster by Isolée 2005 89 8.3 34 Hell Hath No Fury by Clipse 2006 89 8.0 35 Chutes Too Narrow by The Shins 2003 88 9.2 36 Yours, Mine & Ours by Pernice Brothers 2003 88 9.2 37 Hypermagic Mountain by Lightning Bolt 2005 88 6.2 38 Ta Det Lugnt by Dungen 2004 88 9.3 39 Dear Science, by TV on the Radio 2008 88 9.1 40 Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… Pt. II by Raekwon 2009 88 9.0
― o. nate, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
I guess their methodology is pretty transparent
It may be transparent, but it's convoluted. Sometimes a METASCORE will be, say, 83 on 10 reviews, but only one of the reviews scores the disc at 83 or higher. Put differently, METACRITIC's special formula includes some strange weighting of scores. I still find it an invaluable website.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp I got some publicity email saying Kirk from Metallica named some Dengue Fever song his #2 or 3 track of the decade, but I haven't seen the rest of that list.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
The other problem is that a lot of albums get such a high rating because only 3-4 publications (in Metacritic's active list) that rated it. Whereas albums that are more widely reviewed generally get a lower average because there's more chance of dissenting opinions. Still, it makes the list plenty different from all the others.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
As an aside, see how many of these you can recognise - http://www.flickr.com/photos/njsouthall/4190387283/
― exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm going to break my own rule and post my Best of 00s individual list: Top 200 Albums of the 00s. Also: Top 60 Artists | 00s Breakdown: Top 13 Genre Lists | Top 100 Movies | Top 60 Shows | Top 13 Books - Fiction; Music & Rock 'n' Roll Fiction; Graphic Novels & Comics
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 21 December 2009 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
There are 11 days left in the decade. This is not like you to jump the gun.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 21 December 2009 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't know how anyone ever really comes up with a "best of decade" list
even within this decade my tastes have swerved around so wildly that things that meant a huge amount to me 5 years ago mean nothing now. and the things i love now, how will i know if i'll feel the same way, looking back in another 10 years?
how do people actually make these decisions?
― Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 21 December 2009 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
well if you're gonna post yours...i finished mine that Beatrix referred to at the top of the thread:http://narrowcast.blogspot.com/2009/12/narrowcasts-top-100-albums-of-decade_04.html
xpost -- i made mine by going back and re-doing my best-of lists for each year of the decade, and then just kinda keeping and eliminating stuff from there based on gut instinct. it's not an exact science, but if you're committed to making a list then at the end you've got one.
― some dude, Monday, 21 December 2009 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I did pretty much the same thing. I tried to only keep stuff that I still feel passionate about, but I also threw in a few albums I've since softened on, just out of recognition for how much they meant to me at the time. Like, if I ever considered an album my #1 of its year, then it deserved to be on the list, regardless of how much I play it now.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Monday, 21 December 2009 18:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Obviously, any method or criterion is debatable, though.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Monday, 21 December 2009 18:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
do you have these "best of each year" lists just sitting around, or do you compile them from scratch
― Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 21 December 2009 18:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
i've been freelancing for a few years and was making OCD end-of-year lists for a few years before that (sometimes just for singles, not albums), so i had lists for most years and did new ones more recently for years i didn't make a list at the time.
jaymc is your list posted anywhere yet?
― some dude, Monday, 21 December 2009 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
I had to finish earlier because I had to use time off now, as I gotta cover for someone else who will be gone from work between Xmas and NY's.
<q>i don't know how anyone ever really comes up with a "best of decade" list
how do people actually make these decisions?</q>
I certainly changed my mind on some albums as the decade progressed, but not that radically. I was in my 30s, and my tastes haven't changed that much. Nevertheless, making such lists does take time, and is not for the weak. If you're afraid to confront your true feelings about your favorite albums, perhaps some mushrooms or peyote will help. Or perhaps it's best you not attempt it.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 21 December 2009 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not ... yet.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Monday, 21 December 2009 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
I posted my lists from 2002 to 2007 online, so I was able to easily refer to them. 2000-01 involved some reconstructing (though I remembered what my favorite album of each year was), and I threw together lists for 2008-09 on the fly.
I'll be honest: I spent the majority of September listening to about 120 albums from this decade so I could narrow them down to a top 50.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Monday, 21 December 2009 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
best thing abt these lists is when they throw up some band u haven't thought about in years (e.g. cex, enon on SD's list)
― cozwn, Monday, 21 December 2009 19:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
doing 5 top 100s of tunes as youtube playlists now:
1. Instrumentals2. Remixes3. Non-Singles
between now and the 31st4. Top 40 Singles5. Non-Hit Singles (ie didn't make top 40)
― mdskltr (blueski), Monday, 21 December 2009 20:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm doing a thing at BSCReview.com in installments. My list is predictably weird.
― mojitos (a cocktail) (Cave17Matt), Monday, 21 December 2009 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've been watching it. I like your lists, even if I don't usually like a lot of stuff that appears on them. But you definitely come up with some of the most independent-looking and most international lists (the latter especially for a non- "world music" best of list). You should check out Bannakumbi's Un Nuevo Dia, I think you would like it. (Yes, I am really hyping it hard. I think it's great.)
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 21 December 2009 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Acclaimed Music's Top 100 Artists of the Decade:
1 The White Stripes 2 Radiohead 3 OutKast 4 LCD Soundsystem 5 Arcade Fire 6 Kanye West 7 The Strokes 8 Franz Ferdinand 9 Eminem 10 TV on the Radio 11 Jay-Z 12 M.I.A. 13 Coldplay 14 Missy Elliott 15 Wilco 16 The Streets 17 Queens of the Stone Age 18 The Libertines 19 Sufjan Stevens 20 Arctic Monkeys 21 Nick Cave 22 Gorillaz 23 Justin Timberlake 24 Gnarls Barkley 25 Modest Mouse 26 Interpol 27 Hot Chip 28 Dizzee Rascal 29 Johnny Cash 30 Bob Dylan 31 Spoon 32 PJ Harvey 33 Amy Winehouse 34 Yeah Yeah Yeahs 35 The Flaming Lips 36 Madonna 37 Ryan Adams 38 Cat Power 39 Antony and The Johnsons 40 The Avalanches 41 The Shins 42 Justice 43 Sigur Rós 44 Daft Punk 45 Animal Collective 46 The Rapture 47 The National 48 Björk 49 Tom Waits 50 Joanna Newsom 51 Ghostface Killah 52 50 Cent 53 U2 54 Portishead 55 Bright Eyes 56 Fleet Foxes 57 Beyoncé 58 The Killers 59 The Hold Steady 60 Battles 61 The Knife 62 System of a Down 63 Morrissey 64 Bloc Party 65 Blur 66 My Morning Jacket 67 Primal Scream 68 Feist 69 The Raconteurs 70 Burial 71 The New Pornographers 72 The Roots 73 Rufus Wainwright 74 Scissor Sisters 75 Yo La Tengo 76 Sleater-Kinney 77 Devendra Banhart 78 At the Drive-In 79 Broken Social Scene 80 Panda Bear 81 The Postal Service 82 Bon Iver 83 Bruce Springsteen 84 Vampire Weekend 85 Brian Wilson 86 Basement Jaxx 87 Junior Boys 88 Kylie Minogue 89 Elliott Smith 90 Peter Bjorn and John 91 The Hives 92 Common 93 Sonic Youth 94 Britney Spears 95 Clipse 96 Beck 97 Kings of Leon 98 N.E.R.D. 99 M83 100 Amerie
― nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 02:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Lists that don't have Underworld's Everything Everything and Daft Punk's Alive 2007 hate fun.
― StanM, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 07:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
That list, the artists list, is the only way I can look back at the decade, because it became so difficult to establish yourself and burn-in as a recording artist after about 2004/5. I would love to see one that whittled away bands who were already established pre-Internet/media changeup. I think you'd have about 20 left.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 13:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost, to further that thought, these 22 also made the top 100 of the 90's:
Bob Dylan #43Radiohead #2U2 #17Johnny Cash #99Madonna #28Beck #5Sonic Youth #41Blur #7PJ Harvey #10Tom Waits #72Bjork #8Eminem #61Nick Cave #21Primal Scream #15Wilco #64Portishead #18The Flaming Lips #48Daft Punk #53Elliot Smith #52Sigur Ros #79Yo La Tengo #67Basement Jaxx #84
― nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
these 4 also made the top 100 of the 80s:
3 U29 Madonna13 Sonic Youth18 Tom Waits
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
― xhuxk, Thursday, 24 December 2009 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
interesting x'gau list - i wonder why he picked that GoB's, which is great, but not as great as Oceans Apart. and Wussy two times (!!!)
― pobrecito (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 24 December 2009 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Horrible list. Double Dylan. Moldy Peaches? DJ Shadow? I'm not into a lot of the more radio-friendly stuff either, but I'm more willing to write that off as my own limitations. (I don't like Kanye West or M.I.A. that much, but I can at least understand the enthusiasm more than for some of the other stuff.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 24 December 2009 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Kanye and Dylan two times in the top ten. And two Gogols and Youssous. And his least compelling singles list ever. And say children, what does it all mean?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 December 2009 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
that dj shadow album is awesome fwiw
― deej, Thursday, 24 December 2009 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha is xgau the only critic to not go back on oberst? god he sucks
― k3vin k., Thursday, 24 December 2009 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Serves Christgau right for not properly vetting his list here on ILM before he blithely sent it off to Rolling Stone.
― cheesy porn film background banjo music (KMS), Thursday, 24 December 2009 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
it made my list.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 December 2009 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
my eyes literally went O_O when i stopped to check what roman numeral was next to Tha Carter. the guy has his own taste, can't take that away from him, but fuck I didn't think anyone was crazy enough to put that album was up their on their end of decade list.
― forkslovecraftcthulhu (some dude), Thursday, 24 December 2009 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
his choice of Wayne albums isn't nearly as o_O as his choice of Wayne tracks
― sug knight (The Reverend), Thursday, 24 December 2009 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Everybody who makes lists fucking sucks and all music sucks too.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 25 December 2009 00:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't know if this counts as major media, but it's
True, it does happen to list my favorite album of the decade, but the youtube clips for four of the five other albums mentioned here also sound good to me. (I think they've all been mentioned on ILM before, too, but they were new to me.)
And here's another list of Thai albums, but all but one of the songs I clicked didn't sound so hot:
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 December 2009 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Both Xgau & Jody Rosen list that Brad Paisley song "Then" (Xgau for decade, Rosen for '09) which was pretty much the worst song on the album.
― President Keyes, Friday, 25 December 2009 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
I used to like to criticize Christgau back when he was still the "Poobah." But people, come on, the man lost his main gig and is 68 years old, give him a break! How many people do you know over 65 who listens to new music they can't find at Walmart, or even listens to anything from the past 30 years? Do any of you twentysomething fucks really think your tastes will be even remotely relevant in 2040??
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 25 December 2009 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wish I were twentysomething.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 25 December 2009 14:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Chill. I was just observing that two prominent critics who like Brad Paisley (this is more about Rosen, who spent much of a Slate podcast drooling over him) picked what I see as his lamest single for their lists.
― President Keyes, Friday, 25 December 2009 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was responding to those talking specifically about our ex-Dean. And yes, I know there's some geezers on here pushing 50.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 25 December 2009 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Or perhaps it's best you not attempt it.
very ducasse, this, also very silly.
― keythhtyek, Friday, 25 December 2009 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Do any of you twentysomething fucks really think your tastes will be are even remotely relevant in 2040 now??
I like the Brad Paisley album, too, btw. (Enough to give it P&J 5 points, 10th place.) Don't like "Then" much, though.
― xhuxk, Friday, 25 December 2009 17:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Actually, that's not fair -- there are a few twentysomethings whose writing about music is as interesting as Xgau's these days. I don't want to be ageist, just because I'm pushing 50 myself. Just don't see how his list is any more clueless than most other ones on this thread.
― xhuxk, Friday, 25 December 2009 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's christmas, so merry christmas
― k3vin k., Friday, 25 December 2009 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
<3 u all
― sugg knight (The Reverend), Friday, 25 December 2009 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
the only album on xgau's list that i would listen to now is the go-betweens one. cuz i love that one about the surfing magazines. i don't care how old he is its a pretty boring list. to me. obviously. i'm sure there are plenty of people who still jam out to stankonia or love and theft at the gym whilst doing their cardio workouts or during a power walk thru the park.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 December 2009 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink