omg somebody's gotta imagebomb this dude and his ridiculous opinions

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send PEW after him

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Foo Fighters. Maybe if Dave Grohl reunited with Krist and Courtney Love sang. Foo Fighters are a second-rate band that wouldn’t even be on a bill like this twenty years ago.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

please hoos don't hurt 'em

― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah he is a total tool and i am on his list just for the sake of getting riled up and hitting the delete button, sometimes several times a day (dude seems to have a lot of time on his hands to bemoan the current state of music which was a thousand jillion times better in the early '70s, as we all know of course...)

― Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

He's like the mean spirited Jackie Harvey of the old music obsessives set.

― mrcs, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

you can't argue with his contention that the idea of seeing current incarnations of the 86 live aid lineup (sabbath, ultravox, neil young, judas priest, bryan ferry, hall & oates, others) is more attractive than whatever it is he's going on about.

― dan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree. Lafsetz is a genius. He speaks what all of us non-elitists, non-hipser wannabees are actually thinking.

― Tinky-Winky, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

please hoos don't hurt 'em

-- bernard snowy, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:38

http://www.carniola.org/theglory/images/McHammer.gif

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he's right more often than he's wrong. Which is more than most people on this board :-p

― byebyepride, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/12/Simpson_and_Delilah.gif/200px-Simpson_and_Delilah.gif

― I am not afraid of you and you can spank my ass, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 07:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, why is, like, 1971 pointed to as a banner year with these guys?

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Why? For one thing, a rant like the Lefsetz one that spawned this thread would have been unthinkable.

(/me channels Lefsetz)

It's like the difference between Woodstock and Live Earth -- both were/are crass commercial ventures, regardless of whatever good vibes or good intentions they're wrapped in. But in '69 or '71, it was something new, fresh, and unselfconsciously diverse, while in '07, it creaks with the weight of a tired 40-year-old paradigm, and the diversity is a desperate, forced diversity of demographic niches and marketroids and celebrity. It screams, "Something for everybody!"

'71 may be emblematic of a sweet spot before the suits came in and made it more and more about the machine and less and less about the music. Rock stars (or whatever you want to call them nowadays) are now a dime a dozen.

― mark 0, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Lefsetz - it's great to see a billious Boomer in full flight. He's funny, informed and opinionated, a very entertaining guy.

― moley, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

FUCKING DIE

― JW, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

That’s the essence of great art, conception. That’s why Jethro Tull is more meaningful than Mariah Carey. Oh, Mariah’s just a pretty voice singing a song, whereas Jethro Tull made one song into an entire album!

― Hec, Thursday, 19 April 2007 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Hip-hop will not come back. Hip-hop was of a time and place that no longer exists. Built on a foundation of truth about the inner city, it resonated with blacks and whites because of its truth. But it was blown up by nineties society. When we were all in it together, when the hip merged with the mainstream, when we had no choice. There's no longer one scene, but many. Furthermore, like the major labels, big time rap consolidated and became about only a few themes, bitches, hos and cash. With choice, people went elsewhere. They're not coming back. Hip-hop will survive, but as a shadow of its former self. Video has moved to the Web. You're better off breaking on YouTube than MTV, or anywhere else on television. Because clicks on YouTube have the imprimatur of the public's choice. People are sick of being dictated to by the man, they want to make their own choices. Singles are death. Unless you can convince the public to believe in the act, and want to purchase everything it ever does, you're fucked. There's just not enough money in singles. The cost of production has gone down, irrevocably. You don't want to be in the studio business. Sure, you can make a better record in a big room with state of the art equipment, but who is going to BUY that record? Economics dictate that production costs be lower. And with the new computer tools, they can be. The major labels will lose market share. What they do best is find bland talent and utilizing carpet bomb marketing, they try to sell it worldwide. There is a business here. It costs money, that indies don't have. If you want to be ubiquitous, you've got to be on a major label. But not only does this reach for the brass ring come with costs to your career, most types of music just can't be sold in quantity anymore. So we've got indie niches. Until the majors enter these indie niches, they will forever lose market share. The networks merged with the cable channels. Will the majors take over the indies? Only if they're smart. The credible acts of tomorrow will not sell out. And credibility will equate to "career". If you want people to believe in you, if you want to be able to play music for a decade, you cannot make a deal with Procter & Gamble, or even Jagermeister for that matter. The more you take the cash from anyone but your core constituency, your fans, the more these same fans can't believe in you. Go for the slow build, not the fast ascent. Artist development is not only in the hands of the label, but the act itself. If you're looking for shortcuts, you're negatively impacting your career. If you're good, people will find you, you'll develop. Then again, most acts aren't any good. Music is not cool. I just did two hours on this last night on KLSX. The only callers who said music was cool were those into heavy metal bands you've never heard of. Doesn't matter what you think of music, its image hasn't been tarnished, it's been TRASHED! The whole industry is in trouble. As a result of the RIAA suing its customers, hip-hop being a joke and the selling of vapid, no-talent singers who don't write their own material and sound like an imitation of Mariah Carey, if they can sing at all. People have tuned new music out. Yes, there is great new music out there. But the casual listener is not exposed to it, and therefore has tuned out, and is into other entertainment media. As for modern music like Justin Timberlake, that's seen as a vehicle to bump bodies in the club, it's not something you want to listen to on the stereo at home. And until that desirable listening experience comes back with new music, and people haven't changed, they still want it, kids still sit in front of their computer or fall asleep with their iPods to Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, we're fucked. Music should be paid for. Music shouldn't be free. But the major labels made it so. You can't pull people back into the past. You've got to monetize the way they presently acquire music. This is immutable. The more P2P is demonized, the less revenue comes in, the more the business of selling music goes into the toilet. People only want to see stars. Oh, you might want to see the Decemberists, but most people don't know who they are and don't care. And the Decemberists have got TRACTION! There is not a healthy live music scene. Live music is like blockbuster movies. Everybody wants to see a very few acts. Not that we should blame them, there aren't many good acts out there. And tickets are too expensive and a show is no longer about the music, but the production. A greedy industry is looking to get all the money and is not looking to the future, when there are no superstar new acts that anybody wants to see. Melody never goes out of style. Beats might be selling, but there is ALWAYS room for a well-sung song with a melody and hooky changes, which people can sing along with. Those who realize this will end up with all the money.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Hip-Hop will disappear (obviously not completely, only into the underground like most genres before it), but right now it is still very much present, only in the "contemporary R&B" form rather than the rap form.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

you will die before hip-hop.

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

This guy is very much wrong about enviromental issues, but he seems to be right about music.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

(Except hip-hop's death isn't quite here yet)

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

And I know that makes you sad

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometimes Lefsetz posts e-mails responding to his commentary, but I've noticed that he only posts comments disagreeing with him if they're from semi-famous musicians or music industry figures. Nothing from regular folk. He will however post e-mails agreeing with him that come from just anyone.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

please hoos don't hurt 'em

-- bernard snowy, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:38

i totally wanted to do hammer.gif w/my head on it when i saw this

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 31 March 2008 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/26/AR2008032602919.html

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 31 March 2008 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

so this thread is rage against the rage against the machine

― deej, Monday, 31 March 2008 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuck yeah I'll do what I tell me

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 March 2008 03:45 (sixteen years ago) link

"I was fighting for the artistic integrity" of a W.A.S.P. album,

― m coleman, Monday, 31 March 2008 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link

nah i like this lefsetz guy. not for the comments hoos has posted but he writes some good stuff on his blog.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 31 March 2008 10:22 (sixteen years ago) link

m coleman I know you are not talking trash about W.A.S.P.

― J0hn D., Monday, 31 March 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link

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