"Lakini's Juice" C or D?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (251 of them)
shame they gave their finest track such a shit-ugly video

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic for sure. My favorite Live single and it sort of sounds like Helmet if they were dynamic and not boring. It's been a while but I remember liking the video's coldy executed depiction of a natatorium treated as a cheap motel by a mass of joyless, plain-looking couples.


herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud dud. Video's even worse.

Everyone knows that Live only had one great song ,and this really wasn't it.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

the appeal of this song TRULY escapes me ... the same way that 50 cent's appeal escapes dan perry or alex. the same goes for live, as well.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bill, if you say "Lightning Crashes", I will hunt you down and make you listen to Ed K's Tricky collab until your ears fall off.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"Lightning Crashes".

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that bit in "Lightning Crashes" where he's like "the angel opens her ahehyeeaheeeyehyaheyes"!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

dud

I was really into Live in middle school, then this song came out and I was like "fuck these dudes"

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

my girlfriend was going through my cd collection the other day and pointed out that i own not just throwing copper, not just secret samadhi, but also mental jewelry and even their debut EP, four songs.

she now has the trump card in any future arguments about our collections.

marc h., Monday, 14 March 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I completely forgot Ed had a cameo in Fight Club until I caught a bit of it on F/X the other day.

Anyway, Secret Samadhi might have been the first album I ever bought on release date, but it was definitely the first album I ever regretted purchasing. I wore out a dubbed cassette of Throwing Copper and I liked the guitar in "Lakini's Juice," but Secret Samadhi was so terrible on the whole that I felt personally wronged. I don't think I listened to it much after the first week.

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Will you call them freaks? Or will you call them gods?

marc h., Monday, 14 March 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Throwing Copper was produced by Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Will you call them freaks? Or will you call them gods?

LABOR LABOR LABOR

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Operation Spirit" is soooo much better, even if it is a bit misguided and slightly anthemic in a pompous way.

Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

This is the only Live song that doesn't make me vomit and/or laugh.
I'm a sucker for 'chunka chunka' guitar riffs. [yes, that's a technical term]

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought he was saying "Burly Burly Burly" there.

The milk-bar video was so bizarre.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

oh please... the duddest dud to ever dud

Seuss, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man...a couple weeks ago I caught the SNL rerun where they played this song. memories..I hated all the Throwing Copper singles but I thought this one was alright, although it was immediately clear that the followup album was going to tank. that main riff is so heavy.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

After suffering through their earlier shit I sought never to hear their crap again and I believe I succeeded! I have no memory of ever hearing this song at all!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved loved loved the first two albums and debut ep, but this song and its corresponding album were trash trash trash.

Of course, I like the single from the album after this one about the dolphins, so what the hell do I know?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha DOLPHINS CRY, I totally forgot about that one.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

the song starts out okayish and then it gets to the chorus and you're like 'Can I hear the dolphins WHAT?'

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"Lightning Crashes"

oh you have got to be shitting me

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been hearing that song on the radio a lot lately. Pure Pearl Jam lite with Ed making sounds that no human should be proud to have created.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry man, it works. The only time their self-importance was even close to merited.

I also like "White: Discussion" OK and the bridge to "I, Alone" is pretty awesome, but besides that "Lightning Crashes" towers miles above the rest of their catalogue.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm shocked at the amount of "classic"s in here.

It was Live who paved the way for Creed, who as everyone knows is the devil. So in essence, Live was the antichrist.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, but growing up in SE PA, these guys were so dudly they willed themselves classic. they wouldn't stop touring the area! and the mythology surrounding them was ridiculous. every roommate i had in college would tell me something about this band (they useta be skinheads/nazis, you know) - one d00d went so far as to hang a picture of them promoting whatever tour it was in '97 in our room!

VISIT ONE CHAMELEON CLUB.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't get it twisted, Bill - it was ROCK RADIO'S FASCINATION W/ GRUNGE'S MESSIAH COMPLEX IN TOTO that paved the way for Creed.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

What was the name of the single that preceded "Lightning Crashes" - I have vaguely fond memories of it (esp. in light of the turgid duddery of "LC").

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Lest we forget HER PLACENTA FALLS TO THE FLOOR.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i alone?

i couldn't escape this band between '94 and '97. even my dud first host brother in DENMARK like these fukkers.

ME: WHY DO YOU LIKE THEM, ANDERS?
ANDERS: FORDI DE ER SAA GODE?
ME: OH I GET IT. YOU LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SO GOOD.

/conversation. things didn't go well with that host family. (he also loved pearl jam.)

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost david - why am i reminded of that scene when mel gibson and homer rewrite mr. smith goes to washington? "it's a metaphor. he was angry!"

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

No, not "I Alone" - the acousticy one that sounds a lot like REM. "To love a God, to fear the flame, to burn a cross that has a name" or something? And then he busts into some "EEEEEEEE" "Lion Sleeps Tonight" belting?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, wait, I just remembered part of the chorus - "we won't be raped / we won't be scarred like that". Acropalyptic self-castigating middle-class poo-poo. I revoke my vaguely fond memories.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

SELLING TEH DRAMA!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Ding ding ding GONG!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, but growing up in SE PA, these guys were so dudly they willed themselves classic. they wouldn't stop touring the area! and the mythology surrounding them was ridiculous. every roommate i had in college would tell me something about this band (they useta be skinheads/nazis, you know) - one d00d went so far as to hang a picture of them promoting whatever tour it was in '97 in our room!
VISIT ONE CHAMELEON CLUB.

-- blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.lif...), March 15th, 2005.

haha, yeah, everyone I know who's from a certain part of Pennsylvania seems to have a "we saw Live when they were just getting started" story.

I think the sequence of Throwing Copper singles/videos was:

Selling The Drama -> I Alone -> Lightning Crashes -> White, Discussion

with All Over You somewhere in there as a big radio hit with no video. White, Discussion was the one that I thought was tolerable, at least at first.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

careers like Live's (and Third Eye Blind's, and Hootie & The Blowfish) kind of mystify me, because they have like 4 or 5 big singles off one album, and then can't get a hit as big as any of those after that one album. so they're not really one-hit wonders, but it's like their fame lasts for exactly one album cycle.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah al - i agree, but strangely the marketing for secret samadhi presented them as though they were the new number one band in the world! i recall turning down invitations to see them - i simply didn't get it, even with the local connection (imaginary, you betcha): i thought they were like dave matthews band.

in fact, it's hard to imagine them having been that famous now. also: alanis morrissette to thread (re many hit singles, and then poof!)

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

it seems naive or short-sighted to imply that it was an especially mid-90's phenomenon, but it really seems like it was, doesn't it?

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's a 70s & 80s phenomenon, too (though probably more 80s than 70s) (and more new-wave than anything else I can recall) (though maybe some R&B acts fall into this ditch, too).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't get it twisted, Bill - it was ROCK RADIO'S FASCINATION W/ GRUNGE'S MESSIAH COMPLEX IN TOTO that paved the way for Creed.

SEE ONE RATTLE & HUM

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

WATCH THE OMEGA etc

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

RAISE ONE LED ZEPPELIN

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Led Zeppelin did arena, but they didn't do 'spirituality'

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd venture to say that the line between "arena" and "spirituality" is angel-hair thin.

CALL ONE WHO ROCK OPERA.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but Zep practically invented "middle eastern-tinged hard rock"

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

> 4 or 5 big singles off one album, and then can't get a hit as big as any of those after that one album


Bush to thread, better that the rest, green to red, Bush to thread.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"middle eastern-tinged hard rock"

oh I'm not pretending this song could exist in a "Kashmir"-free world

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Bush to thread, better that the rest, green to red, Bush to thread.

"Greedy Fly" and "Swallowed" off Razorblade Suitcase were both pretty big in my high school, tho. And I remember seeing a video for the "Mouth" remix on MTV.

marc h., Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to remember people saying that's why Ed shaved his head, but it always felt urban legend-y, like a twist on Marilyn Manson's ribs or whatever.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link

we already did this here btw: Defend the Indefensible: Live (the band)

StanM, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 22:54 (one year ago) link

so thoughts after reading this:

*Tynes talks a lot of shit for someone with a demon's resume
*How could you file bankruptcy 5 times in an 8 year span when a Chapter 11 takes 7 years to discharge
*The fucking Charlotte Hornets's owner's kid was their temporary lead singer for a few years...lol
*it's kinda not shocking that Ed just fired everyone and went on with hired guns. there's very little distinct about the bass, guitar playing, and drumming in this band, they sort of live or die by his vocals and songwriting (for better or worse). this isn't like Slayer changing drummers and having a different feel rhythmically, very plug and play.
*Taylor seems naive to a ridiculous degree and he was a dick for what he did to his other bandmates in taking a larger cut
*of course Gracey is a Trumper
*Ed seems to let Hynes way too far off of the hook because of his anger at Taylor

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 01:54 (one year ago) link

I wonder if Ed K. is mad about wasting his last good scalp years with a shaved head.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link

"Taylor tried producing movies, like the 2010 Ernest Borgnine-Cybill Shepherd film Another Harvest Moon"

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:10 (one year ago) link

"“They’d take money from one to pay for the other … and they were able to get meetings because they were the guys from Live. That’s what got them in the door. They used that all the time.”

who are these gullible people

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:14 (one year ago) link

Live fans.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:22 (one year ago) link

Back in the 1990s I went on a summer trip bringing together different high schools. One of the participants was Ed Kowalczyk’s sister. Some Live fans kept hovering around her, expecting her to give insights into Kowalczyk’s lyrics, even though she was years younger than her famous brother and probably wouldn’t know anything.

But I still remember decades later that these fans raved around <i>Throwing Copper</i>, but whenever the conversation turned to <i>Secret Samadhi</i> (then the most recent release), they seemed confused and somehow disappointed by the album.

Melomane, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:30 (one year ago) link

whereas that was the one I did like, lol.

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:42 (one year ago) link

embarrassed that I purchased Mental Jewelry shortly after it came out, partly because of Jerry Harrison, partly because I actually liked a song on it

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:43 (one year ago) link

everyone in high school called this album Secret Sodomy
― miccio (miccio), Monday, March 14, 2005 2:32 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:49 (one year ago) link

addendum: I have it on good authority that the people at Pachyderm Studios found a "metric ton" of porno mags stashed all over the place after Live vacated the premises.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:10 (one year ago) link

A lotta Lakini's Juice spilled, no doubt.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:15 (one year ago) link

MORE SKIN

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:18 (one year ago) link

I've had "Selling the Drama" (I think that's what it's called) playing non-stop in my head the last couple of days since reading that rolling stone article. These songs are so annoyingly catchy and this is reminding me why I got rid of "Throwing Copper" about a year after buying it (one of a handful of CDs I ever sold)

silverfish, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link

all it took was the article quoting the lyrics "and for christ the cross / and for me the chair". My brain does some dumb shit sometimes.

silverfish, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link

" there's very little distinct about the bass, guitar playing, and drumming in this band"

What was that <i>Throwing Copper</i>-era video where Kowalczyk is singing and grooving with great rockstar chrisma, while the rest of the band look confused at the camera like doofuses?

Melomane, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link

Ah, it was "I Alone". Yeah, after I saw this a few years ago, I pretty much wrote off the rest of the band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo

Melomane, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link

Cosmic Egg Healing
11 months ago
can confirm: it’s 2022 and this song still goes hard af!

Valeen OI
2 years ago
This song is a masterpiece.

Matt Barringer
6 years ago
One of the best bands of the 90's hands down. Such intensity in Ed's voice.

tangobasso
2 years ago
Can confirm: It’s 2021 and this song still goes hard af.

Baron Von Sparklefarts
6 years ago
The intro of this song is utterly unmistakable. 10/10

Baby Polo
6 years ago
Listen closely to the bass in the verses.....so ominous and chilling....sounds like a living creature, its breath rising and falling. Amazing. Track gives me goosebumps. Earphones, loud!

SystemFailure
8 years ago
Live has always been a thinking persons type of band. The way the music and lyrics are laid out are very artistic and intelligently arranged. One of my favorite bands from the 90's

Jonas Butler
6 years ago
This is the one song that convinced to buy some good speakers. It was about twenty years ago. Live deserves the best. My Mom loves Live. They are easily underrated, but loved by all.

omar little, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link

i associate this band with a friend i had from about 13-15 yo named m!tch. his dad was a software guy who did office-y looking mini wood and wire sculptures on the side - lots of aquamarine speckled with yellow, that sort of thing - dilbert vibes. m!tch and his dad were alright, i went with them to my first concert (dave matthews band lol). i never quite had m!tch's enthusiasm for live though.

ꙮ (map), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

highly recommend anyone who hasn’t heard it check out their song about having sex on a couch in the middle of the club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScl9sX3Inw

JoeStork, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link

key lyrics

We hit a couch, the place was packed
With sweaty palms, sweaty thongs, and sweaty backs
My mouth was dry, my brain cold high, the groove was right, so I decided to ignite
Your eyes met mine, you skirt began to rise, and so did I
Now you know that i took that prize
In the middle of the club, in the middle of the club, in the middle of club
Now tell me!

omar little, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

I like how there’s a completely baffling reference to the death of Christ just so you know you’re still listening to Live.

JoeStork, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

i try to ruthlessly interrogate the opinions i had when i was a teenager but one that's remained unshakable is that the lyrics on secret samadhi are among the most embarrassing ever penned. and they just got worse from there

i love "lakini's juice" though i can't deny, potentially because it is one of the dumbest songs ever made

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link

I keep hearing MORE SKIN

in the voice of that one zombie from Return of the Living Dead

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link

no one:
ed kowalczyk: DRUNK ON YOUR JUICES

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link

Nothing was worse than "Heaven" imo

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link

i got the juice like lakini

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

rappers feel free to use that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

Lol

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link

still baffled that i would hear "heaven" occasionally on the adult alternative station that played all day long when i worked at carvel. a band that ran out of ideas several albums ago was now trying to become christian train

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:44 (one year ago) link

Nobody call me on the phone
Like Live, I alone

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:45 (one year ago) link

lakini pouring from the sky, let's get rich what

c u (crüt), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link

It was the type of Christian song for Protestants who smoked

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link

Xxxpost

waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link


lakini pouring from the sky, let's get rich what

― c u (crüt), Friday, February 24, 2023 12:46 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hahaha omg

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link

damn wish id thought of that one lol

four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

lmao

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Friday, 24 February 2023 22:10 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.