Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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I brought the subject up because I think it's high time we discussed it at length. A lot of Americans on ILx are pretty vocal about their MST3K-love, but for obvious reasons, much of the UK posse have never even seen the show. Those who have only know the Sci-Fi era shows (and can't get Rhino tapes, either), so they're only getting part of the fun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Comedy-Central purist at all. The primary reason I got slowly peeved at the AOL NY MST3K contingent was because they were by and large vehemently Anti-Mike, going on and on about how the show was a bunch of boring crap now and how cute and sexy Joel was. I just couldn't see it. Admittedly, though, by the time MST3K left CC, the show's early, woozy charm had long faded away -- but it was replaced by something else that, while slick, was still awfully entertaining. (Charm isn't everything.) At the other end of the history spectrum, the KTMAs aren't bad at all, but all woozy charm and few laffs. Still, that won't matter if you're already a fan.

The worst movie they ever did was, easily, Monster A Go-Go. Scroungily overamped "What'd I Say"-rip at the beginning, but looooong stretches of black & white nothingness punctuated by perhaps the most infuriating cinematic anticlimax ever. Next in line is Manos: The Hands of Fate. It's my impression that MST3K almost single-handedly velcroed this flick onto the Canon of Bad Movies, and that's a good thing, because it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

Favorite Sci-Fi-era Episode: Jack Frost. Indeed, every episode involving a children's movie is sterling.

Best Acting in a MST3K Episode: Beverly Garland reads the riot act to The Celery From Outer Space in It Conquered The World. Bela Lugosi tells a fellow scientist off in Bride of the Monster.

Crow vs. Crow: Trace-Crow is more neurotic, Bill-Crow is more snide, yet once Bill got in the groove, I seriously think they were in equal in goodness.

Joel vs. Mike:

Extraneous thought: if in some alternative universe Catalina Caper was a good, no, GREAT movie, the Avalanches' album would be its soundtrack. Perhaps we could kindly suggest to Tim Burton a remake...

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

I was going to throw in a link to the article with all the info, but dammit, it's expired! Your vision of a new Catalina Caper thrills and disturbs my soul.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Although I should at least throw in a link to the more or less official fan site, the Satellite News.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Manos article is here.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's one of the reasons I could never get into any of the MST3K fan discussions/forums online, they all seem to suffer from this irrational hatred of Mike. It's so silly and pedantic. What's so wrong with liking Joel and Mike?

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why do you say the movie should not have been made, Mike?

Josh, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

For one, the movie didn't make any money, partly because Gramercy concentrated its promotional efforts on the Pamela Anderson vehicle Barb-Wire, which ended up belly-flopping anyway. Plus, I got this impression from some recent interview with a member of Best Brains (can't remember where I saw this) that they all ended up regretting ever making the thing in the first place. The whole process was too arduous and distracting and they had to deal with all the asshole suits who prided themselves on having a certain level of hepness, yet told BB to take out a joke about Bootsy Collins because they didn't know who was.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The other weird indulgence of the AOL MSTies was the tongue-lashing Sampo, a.k.a. Chris Cornell (the guy, not the Soundgarden guy), recieved on a regular basis. People seemed real irritated at the fact that he assumed the role of King of All MSTies rather quickly, and I attribute that to minor professional jealousy and peevishness over his pro-Mike stance, all caught in a spiral of ever-amplifying regicidal loathing that you often see online. (Sampo's sometime pomposity didn't help either.) Pettiness a go-go.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dude, fuck all that. after joel left the show totally went to shit. joel really wanted to create a feeling with story /characters and consistancy. mike was just a hired writer. i think i read someone saying in another thread "after a while if felt like the ones running the show just didnt get 'it' "

chaki, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

As so many of us are such pynchon junkies, here's a great mst3k & pynchon link.

i is brit and loving the mst3k. it can grate if you're not in the right mood, but fuck that for a game of toy soldiers. I also liked the film (riffing on This Island Earth -- fave bit is when the alien is explaining about the fate of his planet "a-huh, yeah, yup... got ya... a-huh"

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

In point of fact, Mike wasn't merely a "hired writer": as early as the second season, he was the Head Writer. Since MST3K was always a group effort, I think it's difficult to pinpoint one person who was responsible for any particular characteristic of the show. (Two obvious exceptions, of course, are the whole Gizmonics Institute business and the idea for the Invention Exchange.) So he may share some responsibility with Joel H. for creating the rather paternal relationship between Joel R. & the 'bots -- a relationship which, for obvious reasons, would be altered once Mike replaced Joel R. the SOL.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The funniest episode of MST3K I've ever seen is a Gammora movie that we watched on KTMA backstage during a high school show choir competition. I can't remember the name of the movie, but the bad monster was a giant gumball machine and the episode contained one of my favorite riffs ever (7-YEAR-OLD GIRL: I love you, Gamora! CROW: Keep your shirt on, honey.). Most of the others I've seen have come from the Sci-Fi years, but "Manos" is definitely classic. I will also put in a vote for "Overdrawn At The Memory Bank" if only because it's fun to watch Raul Julia in something embarrassing, plus "Squirm" and "The Final Sacrifice".

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I loved Overdrawn At The Memory Bank as a child. I believe I still have a video on it somewhere doubling up with Max Headroom.

Pete, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ah, the AOL MSTie days. Got my first stalker out of that bunch.

Anyway, I adored the show. Was a staunch Mike defender in the Mike v. Joel days, now I'm not so sure. Favorite bit (of all time): "Are You Happy In Your Work?"

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

grr, watch it daddino.

ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Le huh?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is this ever shown in the UK?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is a thing of beauty, that particular short. And chilling horror. Yeah, there are two short comps that are on DVD, but neither contain that gem. It's possible this thing Rhino is promising is some sort of basement-clearing compilation of all the various video oddities that have surfaced from Best Brains -- the second Poopie tape (the first is a DVD bonus with Manos, the scrapbook, more shorts like that, etc. But we'll see, I guess! (My other irrational hope is a full-on special edition of the movie...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Keep in mind that the fidelity on these files is sometimes suprisingly good considering the size, and sometimes fairly bad, but even the worst files usually have more than enough detail for a person to get what's going on.

I'm hoping the DVD is a Santa Claus vs. The Martians/Santa Claus double fun pak. It is going to come out late 2003, after all.

Later I may want to say something about MST3K in light of Mark's venting on Zappa, but right now I want to go to Central Park and maybe the Malevich exhibit before it starts raining (again).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink



Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the tuba is like a fat jolly king! knew your father I did!

This show got me through middle school.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Live fast, die young, leave a fat, bloated, ugly corpse.

luna (luna.c), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"That squares my breasts!"

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen about four episodes of MST3K, but "Mr. B Natural" has got to be one of the funniest shorts ever! "We're white, we're white, we're really, really white..." I obv need to get a-downloadin on this show.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 25 May 2003 23:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is good to see the newer folks here who have the love. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've only seen a couple but I didn't get the point. Why not just rent the original B-movies and come up with your own sarcastic comments?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well...that is the point, kinda. The AOL MSTies used to monkey-pile together in a chat room, and riff like mad to cable TV movies or rented VHS tapes. I remember Congo and A Star Is Born being particularly good for that.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no TV. I have no VCR. But I do have about 40 tapes of MST3K, well over 100 episodes, mostly Seasons 2-7, with a few 1s and KTMAs.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

FWIW, this means that the final episode that has never circulated at all is the original riff on Star Force: Fugitive Alien II, which was the third KTMA episode overall. But presumably it's out there...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:14 (three months ago) Permalink

Meantime, word from MST3Kinfo that Tony Zarindast -- the man who gave us <I>Werewolf</I> -- has passed:

His IMDB page is worth boggling at thanks to the English language titles alone. A one-man mini-Cannon:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 December 2016 22:06 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Whoa, they're showing a Season 1 ep on "CometTV", a standard-def broadcast channel. I've never actually seen one of these.

And can see why, this shit is pretty ropey, even for these guys.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 2 January 2017 04:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've tried, and the best I can really say is that it's a BIT tighter than KTMA MST. What's remarkable is how quickly it gels in Season 2 - still some tough eps in there, and a little bit samey between the three grim, ugly CCI "rebel" pictures and the four flat sci-fi snoozers from Lippert... but Catalina Caper is one of the first classic eps, and Kevin and Frank don't need any warming up at all. Ring of Terror and Godzilla vs. Megalon, too...

mega pegasus for reindeer (Doctor Casino), Monday, 2 January 2017 05:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Season 1 is choppy but sometimes the 'what the' nature of the films then carry it all.

Will be seeing Trace and Frank again at SF Sketchfest in a couple of weeks.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 January 2017 06:43 (one month ago) Permalink

my recollection, which i can't really verify, is that mike nelson came on board between seasons 1 and 2. i think people really underrate his influence as a writer on the show; there's this tendency to conflate mike nelson the person with mike nelson the character and treat him as someone who magically appeared on the show in the middle of season 5.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 2 January 2017 12:56 (one month ago) Permalink

My sister gave my son a set of MST3K dvds for xmas. He'd never seen them before. I haven't watched it in 20 years. There was definitely uneven quality, but we had a great time watching them together.

Anyway, this project is a few months along, but I'm just seeing it for the first time today:

how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

It must happen

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

how old is he? cuz damn, by now there are a bunch of refs on every show that a 30yo wouldn't get. (I understand they're still entertaining outside of that.)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

He's 12. And yeah, there were refs in there that I don't even get, but still enough laughs to make it worth watching for him I guess.

how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Shout Factory does the exhaustive job of explaining every single reference in the annotations of the full episodes they've put up on youtube. Probably meant to be viewed in the spirit of a commentary track.

Evan, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:04 (one month ago) Permalink

"Hmm, I don't understand this joke." (Checks footnotes) "Oh, I see. Crow thinks this person looks like a particular 1970s character actor." (Milk comes out of nose.)

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:10 (one month ago) Permalink


how's life, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:11 (one month ago) Permalink

i think the original appeal was partly that people born in the '60s and '70s shared the experience of watching dreadful movies on TV when "there was nothing else on," which is now extinct

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, the passage of time inevitably demonstrates how much of a snapshot it all was. But a possible comparison point -- Monty Python was just as explicitly steeped in its own time and place, and TV culture, and won a wider audience beyond that which (AFAICT) continues to the present. That said it's all so much legacy now.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:29 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Some more backers-only news from Joel -- take this bit as you choose:

And in the meantime, the great news is the new shows are turning out really fine. It’s so interesting seeing Jonah, Baron and Hampton’s riff styles emerge, and remember: like some of you, Jonah, Baron and Hampton grew up watching Mystery Science Theater, and as you’ll soon see, movie riffing is in their DNA! It's also just amazing how great Felicia and Patton did as the next Mads. I’m just knocked out. They’re obviously both such talented pros, but they totally bring it to these new episodes.

Now, from what I can tell – and based on showing the pilot to a few close friends – it’s a slightly different tempo than the movie riffers of yore. To me, that makes sense. It’s simply a function of new people (both writers and performers) coming in contact with these films and the show format. And you know, even though it’s an updated version of MST3K, I really feel like the original spirit of the show is still there. Hope you think so too.

So yeah: when the new episodes come out, I hope you'll give your ears time to adjust to the “now sound” of MST 2017. I think you'll like what you hear!

No formal release date still.

Plus, Funko are making Crow and Tom Servo figures:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2017 19:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh and having said this:

Will be seeing Trace and Frank again at SF Sketchfest in a couple of weeks.

This was in fact unsurprisingly a treat. (It was a week ago and the perfect antidote to a stupid day, obv.) The movie in question was a truly dire demi-film noir obscurity, Walk The Dark Street, starring pre-Rifleman Chuck Connors as a clenched-jaw Korean War vet psycho:

A perfect experience down to the horrible transfer. Written and directed by the guy who wrote Robot Monster, Wyott Ordung (no, really). Further MST3K connection out of nowhere: the guy who played the leering assistant in Racket Girls, "Joe," plays a store clerk at one point. If you have seventy minutes to kill, here's the film straight up:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2017 19:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Wow Joel sounds really uncomfortable with the result...

Evan, Friday, 27 January 2017 20:22 (one month ago) Permalink

tried watching this, it's pretty weak. he doesn't seem to have a funny bone in his body.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 January 2017 23:38 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I have questions

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Though I see it's part of a broader effort:

The licensing program is helmed by Elie Dekel, of Dekel Brands. Strategic partners for licensing and merchandising on board thus far include:

· Dark Horse (serialized comics, graphic novels, coffee-table book and gift items)
· FUNKO (vinyl figures, and FUNKO-POP figures)
· Changes (t-shirts, tops, sweatshirts)
· Insight Editions (Ultimate Episode Guide, trivia books, journals)
· Great Eastern (buttons, patches, stickers, pins, gifts and novelties)
· Just Funky (gifts, beverage/barware, key chains, auto accessories, table-top gifts)
· Zen Monkey Studios (t-shirts, sweatshirts)

Most interested in an Ultimate Episode Guide -- I wonder if it's meant to be a collation of the original book plus the four seasons that followed (plus the forthcoming one, I guess).

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Okay, the word just came down via a mailout from Joel:

The new season of Mystery Science Theater 3000 will premiere on Netflix on April 14, 2017.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:53 (six days ago) Permalink


Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:51 (six days ago) Permalink


to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 08:59 (six days ago) Permalink

god i hope this doesn't suck

jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:22 (six days ago) Permalink

predicting that we'll hate episode 1, think they improved by episode 4

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:23 (six days ago) Permalink

This is all happening right before Kate and I go on our mid-April vacation so I'll watch the first episode, ponder at it, then come back after vacation and see what everyone's shouting about.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:25 (six days ago) Permalink

Oh and we have cast photo:

Should I be concerned the backdrop looks...flat?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:26 (six days ago) Permalink

Also, the neo-Mads in white? Huh.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:28 (six days ago) Permalink

xpost probably makes it easier to roll that pile of dough in the middle around

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:29 (six days ago) Permalink

And a commenter noted that Gypsy is now hanging from the rafters.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:30 (six days ago) Permalink

jonah ray is annoying

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:58 (six days ago) Permalink

I'm going into this suspicious. It's the only safe approach.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 16:51 (six days ago) Permalink

New mad look is cool IMO. Not into the fat-shaming above, sorry. Bracing myself for this to maybe suck horribly but hoping it's maybe kinda okay? Show has survived at least two initially-rough reboots and I guess it'd be good of me to give it at least a fair shake.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:04 (six days ago) Permalink

More than anything it's the lack of immediate continuity (all previous reboots as such only involved one major character change at a time, so I find claims equating them with this disengenuous) combined with the more...I can't say 'pro' feeling but as has been noted several times earlier in the thread, this isn't a homegrown off the radar effort bubbling up, but a whole bunch of well known quantities, not all of whom I'm fond of.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:13 (six days ago) Permalink

I agree with all that for sure, which is why I have my reservations and fears. In genral I think it's a bad idea to try to recapture old magic and get lightning to strike again, and in general there's just no way that MST can be *special* in 2017 the way it was twenty-five years ago. Buuuut it is at least possible that if the first ep really sucks that the fifth sucks a little less as the writers get comfortable with each other, see how stuff sounds/feels in the theater, maybe hit on the right voices/material for the cast... I dunno.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:16 (six days ago) Permalink

I mean, I'm all for trashing bad movies in whatever format, just make it entertaining and good.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:48 (six days ago) Permalink

i've seen some official Rifftrax feat. guest riffers and they were shockingly boring. like any comedy it's all about the delivery

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 23:09 (six days ago) Permalink

New fully public update from Joel, worth a read:

The big news is talking about the return of Gypsy, per the cast photo, and that she's actually played by a woman this time out, Rebecca Hanson, who sounds like she's also being increasingly involved in behind-the-scenes stuff as well. For a variety of reasons I approve of that, and Joel talking about how the character was originally planned/designed/approached/voiced is a pretty good owning up, I think.

The other chunk of news was talking about the backers-only screenings of the first new episode over the past couple of weeks, which apparently went down well. Here's the bit from Joel I was most interested in:

Actually, even some of the most hesitant backers who came to our screenings came up to all of us afterward, and told us that they think we got the tone of the show "just right," and that they're really pleased to see how well Jonah, Baron, Hampton, Felicia and Patton picked up the tradition and kept it going. If you're still worried about the new cast, I hope that will help you relax a bit and enjoy the last few weeks of waiting a little more.

It's nice to see him admit that there ARE hesitant backers, for whatever reasons we all have had. (I only chipped in a buck just so I could keep tabs on the news.) Not surprising he'd share positive news and all but this gives me a little more hope.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 February 2017 15:36 (yesterday) Permalink

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