old beefsteaks of yore = beef jerky
― eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 11 December 2009 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
"remember the days before all the women made us stop eating pemmican?"
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Friday, 11 December 2009 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
there's a logic going on in that paragraph that basically means that sex with a woman is kind of... gay.
― goole, Friday, 11 December 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
You mean eating with a woman.
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Friday, 11 December 2009 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
He certainly does.
― james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 11 December 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i read that excerpt as satirical. it satirizes both the crudity of manly men in days gone by, and also (in its tone) the nostalgia for a retrospectively exaggerated version of such. quote similar to the contemporary ads mentioned in this thread.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Friday, 11 December 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link
"quite similar..."
most cars come with instruction manuals that tell you how to change the tire― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i cannot keep up with this thread, but ^^^^^
i am picking tire-changing arbitrarily but not knowing how to do this is on some next-level "I just don't GET math" art of pretend helplessness shit. put the jack under the car, jack it, use the iron to loosen the nuts, pull the wheel off, put the spare on, tighten the nuts, lower the car. this is a skill that should be filed under ADULT CAR USER, not MAN. if you don't drive, or have never gotten a flat, fine. or if you have and the weather was shitty or something. but if you've gotten a flat tire, and had the requisite kit with you, and the weather was nice, and the nuts came off easily (sometimes they don't and that sucks), and you STILL called a tow truck, then you are just a lazy person. the end.
anyway, like elmo said way upthread, most of the skills i'm interested in acquiring these days are horrifyingly feminine, and i always, always wear an apron while cooking.
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I've changed more than my fair share of flats in my life, but I can 100% see how people could be intimidated by the process and just not want to bother. Sometimes the instructions are incredibly vague about where to properly place the jack and I can see someone not wanting to take the chance to try to jack it incorrectly and fuck something up or worse!
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
fukken dr. homo over here
― Lamp, Friday, 11 December 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I've changed more than my fair share of flats in my life, but I can 100% see how people could be intimidated by the process and just not want to bother. Sometimes the instructions are incredibly vague about where to properly place the jack and I can see someone not wanting to take the chance to try to jack it incorrectly and fuck something up or worse!― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, December 11, 2009 5:38 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, December 11, 2009 5:38 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i don't buy this, tbh. figure it out. if you can write a paper with yr eyes closed or w/e, then you can stare at some instructions and think rationally about how to do something in the actual, physical world. jacking something incorrectly can't really fuck things up THAT much. if it's a weenie jack that comes with the car, then the worst that'll happen is that the car will suddenly drop a few inches when the jack tips over. oh noes.
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
and hey lamp y dont U go somewhere and stfu
XXpost. You loosen the nuts before you jack it up by the way. Otherwise it might fall off the jack. Ditto for tightening.
― everything, Friday, 11 December 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, but remember that someone stranded on the side of a busy expressway with a flat tire while running late for something important is certainly not in the most appropriate frame of mind for clear thinking. I mean, I agree with you in that it is an important (and relatively easy) skill to learn, but at the same time I can completely see why people are intimidated by it!
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
i have made that mistake before!
xp
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
YEEESS, this is why you should maybe KNOW HOW before it happens to you! As I/we were saying. That's why it's good to know how to do things just because, sometimes.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i guess, and i am being an internet hardman about something pretty trivial, but still. sometimes this attitude ("willed helplessness" we'll say) pushes my dang buttons. i am in no way in favor of heavily gendered skillsets or w/e, but ffs ppl pounding a nail or painting your walls or installing a driver is NOT DIFFICULT. or, rather, learning how to do that thing is not difficult.
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
this is a skill that should be filed under ADULT CAR USER, not MAN.
Right, and more or less true across the board. Like for most skills apart from what you do with your own genitalia I don't really see much sense or use in filing them under masculine/feminine. Useful things=useful.
whoa buncha xposts, yea w/ya re: willful helplessness. Lotsa things aren't as scary as they seem.
― retrovaporized nebulizer (╓abies), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Just out of curiosity, how did you people who know how to change a tire learn?
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I learned by getting a flat out in the middle of nowhere at 11:30 PM in the days before a cell phone. It was a sloppy attempt, but I got it done. Since then its just been refining the process.
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
my friends dad taught us one time when he was driving us somewhere and blew a tire - it really is p simple
do u want 2 fite??????
― Lamp, Friday, 11 December 2009 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link
use the iron to loosen the nuts,
See, I don't even know what either of these things are.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never had to change a tire but, for example when something would break or go haywire on my guitar, it's like okay lets get an allen wrench and just...you use your small semblance of wits and it gets done.
― retrovaporized nebulizer (╓abies), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, yeah. I'm OK with that sort of stuff, too. I change lightbulbs, hang picture frames, etc.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
my dad showed me how to change a flat a long time ago. but there has always been some weirdness when i've actually gotten flats, like the time (surprise!) it turned out my spare was flat too
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link
BREAKIN DOWN WALLS HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjbz5TrHJA
― retrovaporized nebulizer (╓abies), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
that was informative! i did not know
― LA CANCION MAS PRETENCIOSA DEL MUNDO... (The Reverend), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess I just wonder sometimes if the people who are all "suck it up" about practical stuff like this had parents who emphasized it. Because mine never really did, and it's not like I would've picked it up elsewhere (never even had to take shop class in junior high, since I was in band). I mean, I don't want to make excuses or anything, but I really do feel out of my element sometimes when it comes to certain fix-it skills, just because my experience is so minuscule.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I totally understand the fear of it, but I mean, I tried my damndest in shop class and got a C. I can hardly crack eggs without getting bits of shell in them. If I can do it anyone can.
― retrovaporized nebulizer (╓abies), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link
jaymc-- I learned because I got a flat. I made it home, pulled out the kit that came withu car read the manual and did it.
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Fair enough.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
putting the male gaze right there in the commercial, i think. MEN OF STATURE (figuratively but also literally in these ads) see you as an ineffectual boy, boy, in your stupid ryan howard hats. put down the xbox, put on a suit or something and get a cadillac like a grownup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prjjokASEqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQXao7Zjpg
― slugbuggy, Saturday, 12 December 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
welcome to the world of gentlemen gentlemen
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
dude doesn't know this but the other three are hyundai owners--not gentlemen in the slightest
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 12 December 2009 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
thats ok cause the old guys are driving a stolen cadillac and theyve just massacred everyone in the diner
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
during the world War II / Cold War era, the stakes were such that people just HAD to have a certain toughness that isn't necessary today
Haven't made my way through the whole thread yet to see if this is expanded upon, but this is something I've given a lot of thought to. The idea of being rough and rugged and manly made sense when there was utility to it, when it could be used in the service of some opposing force. But, c'mon. Most people (in the US, at least) lead pretty damn cush lives. Every time I see some bro striking a hardman pose walking through, say, Lincoln Park, I can't help but feel really sorry for the dude. Overt machismo strikes me as a generally outmoded and obsolete state of being unless you live in some crime-ridden neighborhood or you're in the military or something.
― Zoo Snickers (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 12 December 2009 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, and another thing while I'm on the subject, and which may go hand-in-hand with the rootless and senseless masochism of today: where once you may have had a patronizing style of misogyny that infantalized women, today you have a burgeoning sadistic misogyny which objectifies women (see: most porn, which seems to be having an increasingly and frighteningly huge effect on sexual mores across the board these days).
― Zoo Snickers (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 12 December 2009 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Link is NSFW, but they have full lad mags from the 40s - 70s here:
http://www.vintagegirliemags.com
It's amusing to see how many of them resemble the same thing found in comic books years later
― kingfish, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
never even had to take shop class in junior high, since I was in band
how did this even make sense
― Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
like that is the most perplexing school board decision I have ever seen
― Restless Genital Syndrome (HI DERE), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link
some schools exempt you from other requirements for doing band!
― harbl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link
not that weird imo. kids in accelerated science skipped shop and home ec in my school.
― harbl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess I just wonder sometimes if the people who are all "suck it up" about practical stuff like this had parents who emphasized it.
My dad never did, but when i had to do work around the house for him, it was done the right way or i would hear about it, and i think this helped a lot?
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link
my dad didn't emphasize it that much but he knows how to do a lot of stuff & is curious about things so it rubbed off. not on my brother though, he has no clue how to change a tire, i'm sure.
― harbl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i had to *beg* my dad to teach me how to change oil though ^_^
got my first f in metal shop
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah my dad is totally like that too--except he hates working with others so
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
I made a box wrong
i got a B probably in shop
i got a C in home ec, mostly because i fucked up this sewing project (a stuffed animal) pretty bad
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
i loved shop, i wish we had it every year. but i could NOT sew. my teacher made fun of me. who cares though, her class was useless and dumb
― harbl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link