marketing of masculinity

we should be breaking through the crusts that divide us not baking them

i made a pecan maple crumb crust, hollaaaaaa

Que, you make elmo's pie crust sound like it's CPK-approved

im guessing to hang drywall you just screw it into the studs rite - pretty sure i could accomplish that

I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.

guys decks aren't that hard

que, the vodka replaces part of the water which allows you to work with fairly wet, pliable dough while preventing gluten formation -- cook's illustrated, dawg

Dan, the inventor of the dishwasher was a rich lady whose servants never got her fragile china clean enough and/or broke it! I think her father was some kind of engineer, obv it ran in the fam.

I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.

― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i am the guy who GETS THE JOB DONE

...BADLY

For real, dishwashers are the result of taking the washing machine one step too far.

There is no such thing as "too far" when it makes dirty dishes clean without human intervention.

Maybe if you have the Brady Bunch in your house they make sense, but in that case go ahead and get a Hobart.

gbx OTM; my dad designed and built a multi-tierd deck using his three sons as manual labor after taking a six-week "how to design and build a deck" class that is still standing 23 years later

See, a 6-week class, though, that's a perfect example of "I want this skill; I can go get this skill."

I am 100% okay with being that asshole, not about gendered stuff nec but about the idea of practical utility in general. People who don't know how to do everyday things that need doing...eh my patience for that is v short. My roommate is one of them, this causes me some domestic distress pretty much weekly.

maybe she looks down on you for stuff she can do and you can't? some people are just bad at practical shit. who gives a shit whether someone can hang drywall or make a pie crust?

ftr I am not sure that "making a pie crust" is actually a practical skill

I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.

― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i am the guy who GETS THE JOB DONE

― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...BADLY

― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

o im sorry no one was just walking around giving me dune buggies when i was a kid

who gives a shit whether someone can hang drywall or make a pie crust?

1. people who like to have walls
2. people who like to eat pie

The thing with building a deck, though, is that many people lack even the most basic skills needed to get that done. Like, using a level. Driving a nail at any odd angle. etc etc

using a level is pretty fucking easy--it involves a bubble

tbh I can't wait to have a house of my own so I can learn more practical stuff by doing it

I am totally of the opinion that if you can't figure out how to use a level within 5 minutes, you might as well go lie down in traffic.

i personally think those kind of "x things every man should learn to do" are appealing because they're just useful life skills really, a totally different animal than those "lol salads and lattes r 4 fagz" ads that this thread started out discussing. it's only problematic in the implication that women don't need to learn those skills, but the fact that they throw in eg. ironing, sewing up a hole in yr shirt, etc, shows that it's not necessarily out to be macho. And i think there's something to be said for knowing how to do "manly tasks"/take charge of a situation. I changed a flat tire on the side of the freeway for the first time last week and felt pretty proud of myself tbh. My girlfriend didn't know how to, not that she shouldn't but she didn't, and the fact that i took care of it was appealing in a trad masculine sense.

or the iphone accelerometer

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as far as drywall, there's just hanging and screwing in the drywall if you're lazy, but if you're really going for it then you have to do mudding and taping and that is a total bitch (sez the fag who used to work construction jobs)

mudding and taping and that is a total bitch

2x

internet being readily available (esp on portable devices) also makes the need of knowing how to do something in advance less important. provided you have learnt how to use google

if u can't build a wall u don't deserve shelter, sleep out in the cold under some dude's deck

I am totally of the opinion that if you can't figure out how to use a level within 5 minutes, you might as well go lie down in traffic.

But in which direction? I JUST DON'T KNOW!

if u can't build a wall u don't deserve shelter, sleep out in the cold under some dude'sreal man's deck

http://www.easy2diy.com/cm/easy/diy_ht_index.asp?page_id=35693854

beginner's tutorial for hanging drywall btw

Is there anywhere in NYC where you can learn how to do this kind of stuff in some sort of class format? I would love to take a class that was like "here is how to build a table, now go nuts with our circular saw"

whitey: understood, but there's also the implication that being able to iron your own shirts & do other domestic tasks is about self-reliance and "being a grown up" and not relying on a woman to mother you -- which does relate to the values espoused in the original ad posted itt

a friend of mine works as a carpenter for his uncles contracting company - they do really high end jobs for fussy rich clients - his uncle got his start by bidding on a getting a deck building job w/o out any experience building anything - so he want to the store and bought a book called like how to build a deck

changed a flat tire on the side of the freeway for the first time last week and felt pretty proud of myself tbh. My girlfriend didn't know how to, not that she shouldn't but she didn't, and the fact that i took care of it was appealing in a trad masculine sense.

This is rly cute, btw. It's okay to pat yrself on the back sometimes for living up to a role that you secretly like or aspire to, even if, were you being totally honest, you know it's BS. You're not living your WHOLE LIFE by it, but it's okay to think "Boy, ya done good!" once in a while.

xp That's self-reliance right there.

I wrote a novel one time. If you guys don't know how to write a sufficient novel that I would want to read, you should just go play in traffic and die

anyone who doesn't have the same skills as I do is worthless tbh

(satire)

(SB)

Really, if there are two skills that are of equivalent level, it's writing a novel and using a level.

Yeah, but lukevalentine, can you bind your own novel?

well I was thinking of the deck building thing

but yeah lol it's a BS comparison admittedly

but I know I would suck at building something if I tried

but the point I am trying to make is that not everybody is good with practical things

I mean, I can write papers in my sleep but if I tried to build something it would tons of effort & concentration

involve

lol

Changing a flat tire IS satisfying, really it is. You don't have to feel like you're dominating the other sex to feel like you're especially competent at something. Which was my point with the computer stuff, really -- I personally get my manly kicks by being able to fix broken computer things, to whatever extent. Or by being able to explain the economics and politics of the day better than cable news can. (Not an earth-shattering accomplishment, but still.) Or whatever it is that I feel good at. I won't deny that I get a testosterone-related charge off of those things, and I certainly won't apologize for competence.

instead of using levels to build decks we should be using them to even out our differences

yeah, but lukevalentine, can you bind your own novel?

Ha, never tried but I would hope so

I do agree withe general consensus that it is good to know how to do these things tho

I for one wish I didn't live "in my head" so much

xp

elmo do you think there's anything wrong with that? I don't think ppl SHOULD rely on anyone to mother them. Not on some "who needs bitches" tip, just like, being a grownup IS a good thing.

changing a flat is kinda tedious imo - and it makes yr hands dirty