marketing of masculinity

we should be tearing down walls not building them fyi

definitely would take the protip and not cut my limb off.

knowing how to hang drywall is one of those things that is awesome and will save you a ton of $ if you want to re-do a room in your house or something like that, however the learning part suuucccccks

splitting is rly fun/easy if you have one of these

http://www.gvfarmmachinery.com.au/images/saleitems/implements/log500g.jpg

here u go im teaching u how to be a man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR4wfHw7Meo

easy beginner knot

que i am with you 100% about skill acquisition but on the topic of the thread, these list books are presenting these as gendered skills without which, well, you're just not manifesting your true manhood

btw is hanging drywall really on one of those lists - seems more like something every builder should know

i just made my first pie crust from scratch--totally awesome experience, will do it again. has nothing to do with my masculinity/femininity, it has everything to do with trying to be a good huan being

Yessssss! This is basic to the whole discussion -- but lots of people of BOTH genders don't know how to do stuff that used to be basic to either. Not that it redeems the douchebag ads but if we take any message away, it should be: Try to become a useful human being because you never know -- there's a reason your grandparents knew how to do stuff (Depression, war, times of need), and it could happen to you. Be prepared.

Here is a complete list of the tools I am proficient with:

screwdriver
hammer
adjustable wrench
paint roller

I am lost if you hand me a saw, a ratchet, a planer, a trawl, a propane torch, etc etc.

xp Also because knowing stuff is super fun!

hanging drywall was just something i threw out there as an example of a difficult "masculine" skill tbh

I can make a pie crust. My pie crusts have gotten rave reviews, actually. Granted, they were from my mother, but my mother would actually tell me if the pie crust sucked.

ratchets are for clapping IMO

Right?...

que i am with you 100% about skill acquisition but on the topic of the thread, these list books are presenting these as gendered skills without which, well, you're just not manifesting your true manhood

just sayin' you're reading a lot into these books, probably stuff the writers of the books haven't considered or thought about. i doubt the authors of the books would think you weren't a real man.

Also because knowing stuff is super fun!

100% could not agree more

Yessssss! This is basic to the whole discussion -- but lots of people of BOTH genders don't know how to do stuff that used to be basic to either

different people have different ideas of "basic", and this is fine, and worse than not knowing how to do stuff is being the kind of asshole who judges people based on whatever skill sets they have/don't have

Jesus, busy thread.

Just stopped in to say that this

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/images/BodyGlide.jpg

puts an end to chub rub issues (chafing, aka in parts of the South as "galding" (sp?), in spanish "rosar").

because knowing stuff is super fun!

YES! Valuing knowing how to do stuff leads inevitably to knowing how to do stuff. If you care, if it matters to you, even if it's just because it's fun, you'll figure it out.

btw que i also recently made my first pie crust from scratch, too. let's have a bake-off to see who is more manly!

let's have a bake off to see who is more ~~delicious~~

also high fives, pie crusts rule

I bet there are a lot more men in the world right now who can replace an ethernet card, program a nanny-cam, or repair a mother board than men who can build a deck. I do not think this makes then especially vaginal.

(At least, I hope not.)

worse than not knowing how to do stuff is being the kind of asshole who judges people based on whatever skill sets they have/don't have

I am 100% okay with being that asshole, not about gendered stuff nec but about the idea of practical utility in general. People who don't know how to do everyday things that need doing...eh my patience for that is v short. My roommate is one of them, this causes me some domestic distress pretty much weekly.

xp kenan probably otm

my pie crust uses vodka! -- though scotch would be manlier (and perhaps inedible)

I bet there are a lot more men in the world right now who can replace an ethernet card, program a nanny-cam, or repair a mother board than men who can build a deck. I do not think this makes then especially vaginal.

― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:30 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

was wondering if these nerd type things made any of the man lists - cause they really should

btw pretty sure i could build an ok deck just by reading instructions on the internet

hanging drywall was just something i threw out there as an example of a difficult "masculine" skill tbh

It's funny that you picked that example; the only person I know who has hung drywall and is not a building contractor is my mother-in-law. She is the least manly person I know. (She also used to fix her washing machine and dishwasher when they had problems; apparently being a former engineering student turned stay-at-home mom makes one very handy around the house.)

okay you just won the manly pie crust contest--you're using like birdshot and hardtack and nails and vodka, i'm using butter and flour

we should be breaking through the crusts that divide us not baking them

i made a pecan maple crumb crust, hollaaaaaa

Que, you make elmo's pie crust sound like it's CPK-approved

im guessing to hang drywall you just screw it into the studs rite - pretty sure i could accomplish that

I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.

guys decks aren't that hard

que, the vodka replaces part of the water which allows you to work with fairly wet, pliable dough while preventing gluten formation -- cook's illustrated, dawg

Dan, the inventor of the dishwasher was a rich lady whose servants never got her fragile china clean enough and/or broke it! I think her father was some kind of engineer, obv it ran in the fam.

I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.

― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i am the guy who GETS THE JOB DONE

...BADLY

For real, dishwashers are the result of taking the washing machine one step too far.

There is no such thing as "too far" when it makes dirty dishes clean without human intervention.

Maybe if you have the Brady Bunch in your house they make sense, but in that case go ahead and get a Hobart.

gbx OTM; my dad designed and built a multi-tierd deck using his three sons as manual labor after taking a six-week "how to design and build a deck" class that is still standing 23 years later

See, a 6-week class, though, that's a perfect example of "I want this skill; I can go get this skill."

I am 100% okay with being that asshole, not about gendered stuff nec but about the idea of practical utility in general. People who don't know how to do everyday things that need doing...eh my patience for that is v short. My roommate is one of them, this causes me some domestic distress pretty much weekly.

maybe she looks down on you for stuff she can do and you can't? some people are just bad at practical shit. who gives a shit whether someone can hang drywall or make a pie crust?

ftr I am not sure that "making a pie crust" is actually a practical skill

I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.

― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i am the guy who GETS THE JOB DONE

― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...BADLY

― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

o im sorry no one was just walking around giving me dune buggies when i was a kid

who gives a shit whether someone can hang drywall or make a pie crust?

1. people who like to have walls
2. people who like to eat pie

The thing with building a deck, though, is that many people lack even the most basic skills needed to get that done. Like, using a level. Driving a nail at any odd angle. etc etc

using a level is pretty fucking easy--it involves a bubble

tbh I can't wait to have a house of my own so I can learn more practical stuff by doing it

I am totally of the opinion that if you can't figure out how to use a level within 5 minutes, you might as well go lie down in traffic.