already ignored, don't worry
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
re: splitting logs.. why would one need to learn how to chop something in half... i mean, it's quite hard to not know what you need to do???
― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
that was meant to be with dan's post. anyway, i think learning news things, all the time, is useful as a human being, and it's also something you're supposed to do. hanging drywall could come in handy sometime, but if it's not for you no big deal right?
i just made my first pie crust from scratch--totally awesome experience, will do it again. has nothing to do with my masculinity/femininity, it has everything to do with trying to be a good huan being
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
human
Protip: if you ever need logs split, ken, please ask someone else to do it for you. If you like having 4 limbs, that is.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
we should be tearing down walls not building them fyi
― NEW YORK DESERVED MANGINI (brownie), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
definitely would take the protip and not cut my limb off.
― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
knowing how to hang drywall is one of those things that is awesome and will save you a ton of $ if you want to re-do a room in your house or something like that, however the learning part suuucccccks
splitting is rly fun/easy if you have one of these
http://www.gvfarmmachinery.com.au/images/saleitems/implements/log500g.jpg
― everyone stop (dan m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
here u go im teaching u how to be a man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR4wfHw7Meo
easy beginner knot
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
que i am with you 100% about skill acquisition but on the topic of the thread, these list books are presenting these as gendered skills without which, well, you're just not manifesting your true manhood
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
btw is hanging drywall really on one of those lists - seems more like something every builder should know
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Yessssss! This is basic to the whole discussion -- but lots of people of BOTH genders don't know how to do stuff that used to be basic to either. Not that it redeems the douchebag ads but if we take any message away, it should be: Try to become a useful human being because you never know -- there's a reason your grandparents knew how to do stuff (Depression, war, times of need), and it could happen to you. Be prepared.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Here is a complete list of the tools I am proficient with:
screwdriverhammeradjustable wrenchpaint roller
I am lost if you hand me a saw, a ratchet, a planer, a trawl, a propane torch, etc etc.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
xp Also because knowing stuff is super fun!
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
hanging drywall was just something i threw out there as an example of a difficult "masculine" skill tbh
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I can make a pie crust. My pie crusts have gotten rave reviews, actually. Granted, they were from my mother, but my mother would actually tell me if the pie crust sucked.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
ratchets are for clapping IMO
― eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Right?...
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
just sayin' you're reading a lot into these books, probably stuff the writers of the books haven't considered or thought about. i doubt the authors of the books would think you weren't a real man.
Also because knowing stuff is super fun!
100% could not agree more
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Yessssss! This is basic to the whole discussion -- but lots of people of BOTH genders don't know how to do stuff that used to be basic to either
different people have different ideas of "basic", and this is fine, and worse than not knowing how to do stuff is being the kind of asshole who judges people based on whatever skill sets they have/don't have
― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Jesus, busy thread.
Just stopped in to say that this
http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/images/BodyGlide.jpg
puts an end to chub rub issues (chafing, aka in parts of the South as "galding" (sp?), in spanish "rosar").
― he's a light-hearted snake (Jesse), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
because knowing stuff is super fun!
YES! Valuing knowing how to do stuff leads inevitably to knowing how to do stuff. If you care, if it matters to you, even if it's just because it's fun, you'll figure it out.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
btw que i also recently made my first pie crust from scratch, too. let's have a bake-off to see who is more manly!
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
let's have a bake off to see who is more ~~delicious~~
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
also high fives, pie crusts rule
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I bet there are a lot more men in the world right now who can replace an ethernet card, program a nanny-cam, or repair a mother board than men who can build a deck. I do not think this makes then especially vaginal.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
(At least, I hope not.)
worse than not knowing how to do stuff is being the kind of asshole who judges people based on whatever skill sets they have/don't have
I am 100% okay with being that asshole, not about gendered stuff nec but about the idea of practical utility in general. People who don't know how to do everyday things that need doing...eh my patience for that is v short. My roommate is one of them, this causes me some domestic distress pretty much weekly.
xp kenan probably otm
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
my pie crust uses vodka! -- though scotch would be manlier (and perhaps inedible)
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:30 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
was wondering if these nerd type things made any of the man lists - cause they really should
btw pretty sure i could build an ok deck just by reading instructions on the internet
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
It's funny that you picked that example; the only person I know who has hung drywall and is not a building contractor is my mother-in-law. She is the least manly person I know. (She also used to fix her washing machine and dishwasher when they had problems; apparently being a former engineering student turned stay-at-home mom makes one very handy around the house.)
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
okay you just won the manly pie crust contest--you're using like birdshot and hardtack and nails and vodka, i'm using butter and flour
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
we should be breaking through the crusts that divide us not baking them
― NEW YORK DESERVED MANGINI (brownie), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i made a pecan maple crumb crust, hollaaaaaa
― it's like 10,000 goons when all you need is a trife (m bison), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Que, you make elmo's pie crust sound like it's CPK-approved
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
im guessing to hang drywall you just screw it into the studs rite - pretty sure i could accomplish that
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I think you're the classic guy who does it really wrong.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
guys decks aren't that hard
― being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
que, the vodka replaces part of the water which allows you to work with fairly wet, pliable dough while preventing gluten formation -- cook's illustrated, dawg
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan, the inventor of the dishwasher was a rich lady whose servants never got her fragile china clean enough and/or broke it! I think her father was some kind of engineer, obv it ran in the fam.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i am the guy who GETS THE JOB DONE
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
...BADLY
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
For real, dishwashers are the result of taking the washing machine one step too far.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
There is no such thing as "too far" when it makes dirty dishes clean without human intervention.
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe if you have the Brady Bunch in your house they make sense, but in that case go ahead and get a Hobart.
― Cronenberg sleazy (kenan), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
gbx OTM; my dad designed and built a multi-tierd deck using his three sons as manual labor after taking a six-week "how to design and build a deck" class that is still standing 23 years later
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
See, a 6-week class, though, that's a perfect example of "I want this skill; I can go get this skill."
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe she looks down on you for stuff she can do and you can't? some people are just bad at practical shit. who gives a shit whether someone can hang drywall or make a pie crust?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
ftr I am not sure that "making a pie crust" is actually a practical skill
― wtf?!? just randomly started crying! (HI DERE), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― WHY DON'T YOU JUST LICK THE BUS DIRECTLY (Laurel), Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
o im sorry no one was just walking around giving me dune buggies when i was a kid
― Richard Snorkeling (ice cr?m), Thursday, 10 December 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link