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WHO WILL BE ETHNIC FUNNY THIS TIME DR. JONES?

sexyDancer, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i am still excited about this

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

No Denholm Elliott tho. ;_;

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

oh man i know marcus is my favorite

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

at least that fat white-supremacist pavarotti lookin dude is still around

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Best description of him in years.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm burying my career so substantially in these interviews that it's painful. But I think that there are some questions that demand honest answers. I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged. And if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilization…. There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about…. By 2020, fifty percent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent." - US weekly magazine 'World', 20th December 2003.

'muslim descent'

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

A Very Special Nickelodeon Presentation: GIMLI THE BIGOTED DWARF

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well… By 2020, fifty percent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent… “And don’t forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers. Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The populations of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people. Recognizing the fundamental politically incorrect nature of his words, he concluded by saying, "I am for dead white male culture" — utilizing a derogatory catchphrase used on college campuses to describe Western Culture." - US weekly magazine 'World', 20th December 2003.

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/leigh200403051052.asp

No Sean Penn
John Rhys-Davies, without Oscar censors.

by Andrew Leigh

LOS ANGELES — Another Academy Awards ceremony has come and gone. If you're like me, you spent much of it on the edge of your seat, silently praying that none of the winning actors would launch into a noxious left-wing tirade, featuring such sagacious bromides as "War is Not the Answer" (to what?).




It's a common perception that Hollywood is a liberal town, and rightly so. There are a few bold souls, however, who are willing to swim against the tide.

One of these starred in the film that won the most Oscars last Sunday night. He's John Rhys-Davies, who played Gimli in The Lord of the Rings (as well as Sallah in the Indiana Jones movies, in addition to many other roles). His comments over the past month or so regarding world affairs have ignited a firestorm of controversy in his home country of Great Britain.

Rather than taking up the banner of global warming, AIDS, world peace, or some other trendy cause, as most of his colleagues are prone to do, the Welsh-born actor has chosen as his particular hobbyhorse the growing demographic crisis in Europe.

He also regularly heaps praise on President George W. Bush and his war on terror, including the invasion of Iraq. "There are at least four or five [officials in the Bush administration] who could hold their own against the Founding Fathers," he says. This is blasphemous speech in Europe and Hollywood alike.

In a recent interview at a European-style café near Hollywood's Universal Studios, Rhys-Davies jokes about his candor, saying with a laugh that betrays a little nervousness, "Every time I open my mouth, I may be committing career suicide."

But he does not hold back, flatly stating, "I think that radical Islam has declared war on the West."

"It's not a question of the decency of Muslims," he says, many of whom he admires and respects. But "radical Islamist groups are controlling, manipulating, and forming the attitudes of Muslims throughout Europe," he adds. And Rhys-Davies fears that, due to their demographic advantages, their culture may eventually swamp or supplant the indigenous cultures of Europe.

Europeans are having fewer and fewer children, while migrant populations, predominantly Muslim, are growing much faster. Most European fertility rates have dropped so much that they have declined below the break-even point, to the degree that populations are actually beginning to shrink.

If the current trend continues, Rhys-Davies says, "The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56 percent of what it is now. The population of France will decline to about 52 percent."

Meanwhile, Muslim immigrants are having babies at a much faster clip, so that in time, they may become the majority population throughout Europe.

"Last year, 56 percent of the babies born in Brussels were Muslim," Rhys-Davies notes. "In a matter of 20-50 years, we are going to see two to three countries become predominately Muslim — Holland, France, and possibly Germany."

This sort of talk, predictably enough, has provoked cries of "racism" from Muslim advocacy groups and left-wing critics back on his home turf. "We want an apology," demanded Mohammed Javed, chairman of the Muslim Society for Wales. "This could stir up racial hatred in society. It's ignorance, he should learn more about Islam...before he makes these comments."

At the same time, the far-right British National party, a fringe white-supremacist group, has tried to co-opt Rhys-Davies's message by reprinting some of his quotes on flyers they distributed at Lord of the Rings movie showings around the United Kingdom. Rhys-Davies strongly repudiated the BNP for their action; he belongs to the Conservative party, which has condemned the BNP as well.

"There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren't bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural [aspect] as well," Rhys-Davies has said.

It is the culture of fundamentalist Islam that concerns Rhys-Davies the most. "When I look at contemporary Islam, I see homophobia, forced conversion, genital mutilation, slavery, two million people being put to death in the Sudan because of their religion."

He also sees its hand in an ugly trend: "There is a rise in anti-Semitism in Europe unprecedented since the 1930s," he laments.

In his view, "Fundamental Islamism is a particularly brutish and unpleasant form of fascism." He fears that if it becomes the dominant culture in Europe, it will wipe out all that is good about Western culture.

"It's easy to lose a civilization," Rhys-Davies warns. "The values of Western civilization have brought so much good to the world: the notions of equality, democracy, tolerance, abolition of slavery."

Rhys-Davies sees these same themes espoused in The Lord of the Rings, observing, "[J.R.R.] Tolkien knew that civilization is worth fighting for. There are times when a generation is challenged and must fight to defend their civilization from annihilation."

Of course, others on the set didn't see it the same way. Viggo Mortensen, who played Aragorn in The Lord of the Rings, wore a "No Blood for Oil" T-shirt during a promotional interview for the movie on Charlie Rose's PBS show.

Ironically, Mortensen's character in the movies is a military leader. And many have drawn parallels between the conflict in The Lord of the Rings with the war on terror. With a twinkle in his eye, Rhys-Davies confides that a friend whispered to him while watching Mortensen in The Return of the King, "Does he realize he's George Bush?"

Conservatives indeed are scarce in Hollywood. "You introduce a Republican to another in Hollywood, it's like a meeting between two Christians in Caligula's Rome," he observes.

Rhys-Davies does not appreciate the images of President Bush and America broadcast by Western media. "When Hollywood constantly projects that the West is weak, the military is corrupt, that big business is corrupt, it has to have an influence on Muslims," he says.

Rhys-Davies used to be a radical leftist, as a university student in the '60s. He first started to come around when he went to the local hall to hear a young local member of parliament by the name of Margaret Thatcher. "I went to heckle her," Rhys-Davies says. "She shot down the first two hecklers in such brilliant fashion that I decided I ought for once to shut up and listen."

It was the beginning of his eventual transformation into a conservative. Rhys-Davies's father was a colonial officer, but from a poor "working-class socialist" background, which Rhys-Davies absorbed into his bloodstream. He spent a large portion of his childhood in Tanzania, where his father was posted.

He says, "As a child, my father showed me a dhow in the harbor at Dar es Salaam and said, 'You see that dhow? Twice a year it comes down from Aden filled with boxes of goods. On the way back up it's got two or three black boys on it. Those boys are slaves. And the U.N. won't let me do a thing about it.'"

Rhys-Davies says that his father predicted our current state of affairs, once telling his son, "The next world war will be between Islam and the West. And it will happen in your lifetime."

— Andrew Leigh is a screenwriter based in Los Angeles.

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

poor Holland. wait, Holland?

sexyDancer, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Conservatives indeed are scarce in Hollywood. "You introduce a Republican to another in Hollywood, it's like a meeting between two Christians in Caligula's Rome," he observes.

and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

the more like Temple of Doom, the better (ie, I'm worried).

Dr Morbius, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

He also regularly heaps praise on President George W. Bush and his war on terror, including the invasion of Iraq. "There are at least four or five [officials in the Bush administration] who could hold their own against the Founding Fathers," he says. This is blasphemous speech in Europe and Hollywood alike.


Does anyone in Europe know shit about American founding fathers?

JW, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"It's not a question of the decency of Muslims," he says, many of whom he admires and respects. "My best friend is a Muslim, really. He's a great guy, not at all like others."

milo z, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I wish I hadn't read that. Now I think Sallah's a dick. That's no good.

accentmonkey, Friday, 13 April 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

You don't think he's getting Muslims and Orcs confused, do you?

chap, Friday, 13 April 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

no way am I paying money to see this

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 13 April 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Ethan was right about 'the hip new younger character,' I'll bet:

Shia LaBeouf, one of the fastest-rising stars in the world of film, has now been set for the new Indiana Jones movie, it was announced today by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas.

He will join Harrison Ford who returns as the action hero, the man with the hat and the whip.

...

It will be the third film the charismatic Shia has done with a Spielberg connection, the first two being the DreamWorks Pictures productions Disturbia and Transformers.

"We are excited about bringing Shia into our Indy family," said Spielberg. "His talent has impressed not only his audiences throughout his young career but the directors, producers and fellow actors who have worked with him in his television career and now his film career."

"I was hoping the rumors were true, so I couldn't be more thrilled," said Shia. "To be cast in an Indiana Jones film is like grabbing the brass ring and holding on for the ride. I'll do my best to meet the high standards that Steven, George, and Harrison have set and I can't wait to take that giant step in front of the Indy cameras."


This wasn't the guy with the Strokes shirt, was it?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the second time I read about him today (Spielberg praising him in Disturbia was the first). What's with Steven's boy-crush?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2006/09/shia-labeouf-interview-magazine.jpg

"I...am...a sen-si-tive artist..."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope John Rhys Davies *is* in the film so he can make all kinds of 'wacky' jokes on set by calling him 'Sunni' or something. "Ha! I get them all confused!" "Yeah, thanks John..."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

he's really not that bad in Disturbia

latebloomer, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Harrison Ford, i mean. the cgi technology used to transform into a teenage girl is amazing

latebloomer, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

what the fuck am i trying to do there? yeesh

latebloomer, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched Raiders endlessly in 1985; it was the first videotape my parents owned, bought at the ridiculously low price of $49.95 at the local Specs Records & Tapes.

Funny -- Temple of Doom is way more thrills-a-second than Raiders, but these days I think it's the better film. The intimations of sexuality in the early film (Karen Allen's girlhood affair with Indie) are gone, and it's an improvement: unprepared to deal with Allen's brains and physicality, Raiders relegated her to a helpless yeller in the last two-thirds. At least Kate Capshaw never transcends cartoon status, and -- unlike a lot of people here -- I grew to like her.

Essentially, despite lacking a set piece as spectacular as the Ark blasting Sith lightning at Nazi forces, Temple of Doom honors its Saturday-afternoon-matinee source material to greater effect and more lasting enjoyment.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

At least Kate Capshaw never transcends cartoon status, and -- unlike a lot of people here -- I grew to like her.


Yeesh. You stand alone indeed!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Mola Ram's a great villain who isn't on the screen often enough, in fact I think he's almost too good for the famous heart-removing scene -- that famous pose of him holding the flaming heart which was in the movie poster is iconography let down by the surrounding scene.

A legitimate criticism, yeah. He disappears for like 40 minutes! Once again, his character has shadings -- is he a "true believer" in Kali or a con man? -- that Spielberg has no time to explore.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ alfred

s1ocki, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

As for Short Round...well, couldn't Spielberg have used the monkey from Raiders instead?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

unprepared to deal with Allen's brains and physicality, Raiders relegated her to a helpless yeller in the last two-thirds


Raiders scene that completely undercuts this argument: the sequence on the boat in the bedroom. "Where *doesn't* it hurt?" "HERE!" Etc.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

karen allen is a total badass in raiders

s1ocki, Sunday, 15 April 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Raiders scene that completely undercuts this argument: the sequence on the boat in the bedroom. "Where *doesn't* it hurt?" "HERE!" Etc

Not completely; it's a valedictory (although I like her "well, GODDAMN IT, Indy, where DOESN'T it hurt?")

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ alfred

-- s1ocki, Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:47 PM (45 minutes ago)

ghost rider, Sunday, 15 April 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I will always have massive love for Temple of Doom - first film I can remember seeing in the cinema (I would have been six), and as an immaculately crafted, unusually atmospheric live action cartoon it's just about perfect.

chap, Sunday, 15 April 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Temple of Doom is one of the few films in which the hoary conviction of bargaining with the villain utterly fails.

JONES: You want the stones? Let her go!

MOLO RAM: Drop them, Dr. Jones. They will be found. YOU won't! (evil cackle)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

mmm chilled monkey branez

latebloomer, Monday, 16 April 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Mola Ram... Prepare to meet Kali... IN HELL!

chap, Monday, 16 April 2007 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I also like Kate Capshaw, as Ned well knows. Karen Allen didn't sing no fuckin Cole Porter tune in Mandarin.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

opening credit sequence does not a film make.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, 16 April 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh once the opening sequence ends Capshaw becomes totally unbearable

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ alfred

-- s1ocki

-- ghost rider

rps, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Her screams are nuanced.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The female characters in Spielberg's films are often emotionally retarded imbeciles - see Catch Me If You Can for a film which has a very low opinion of women indeed.

chap, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The female characters in Spielberg's films are often emotionally retarded imbeciles

fixed

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

someday he will be as deep and loving a portrayer of da gals as Grindhouse Spazzantino

Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Uma Thurman vs. Kate Capshaw

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Lucas, who also is in pre-production on a "bare-bones, action-heavy" Star Wars live-action TV series

NO

nickalicious, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

He's just jealous he didn't think of Firefly first.

nickalicious, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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