Scottish bands

http://www.theskinny.co.uk/articles/scottish+albums+of+the+decade

Idlewild for the win? Aw naw!

what a pile of wank.

bag o' shite

no desalvo, no point.

I have to say that's a really dull list. And not just from a personal point of view. There are too many mediocre albums by big acts who've done better i.e. BoC's Campfire Headphase, Mogwai's Mr Beast, at the expense of superior albums by lesser known acts. I'm genuinely surprised at the absence of Life Without Buildings, Yorkston and, to a lesser extent, Ali Roberts.
It's not that these things have to be definitive - they're only a reflection of whoever voted for them - but it's a bit of a missed opportunity in that it doesn't give a broader picture of what's going on, or flag up lesser known, but deserving acts.
I never got the fuss over KC Rules OK. Has none of the charm - in terms of songwriting or playful DIY arrangements - of Rocket DIY. And there's that stupid repetitive song designed for festivals that does my 'ead in.

that is a dull list but that idlewild album is totally great imo

One thing I'll say is that you've no business complaining about this list if you didn't bother to cast a vote.

Stew, have a look at the full 50 in the new issue of the printed magazine, most of the records you mention are in there.

that's a fair point rab, although in fairness the first thing I heard of the poll was the results. I do read the skinny regularly, though, so I'm not sure how I missed it.

tbh, I think there's little point in complaining about polls and best-of lists generally, given that they're a representation of the tastes of a range of people. being annoyed that Band X (desalvo in my case) didn't top the poll is the complainer's problem rather than the poll's - it's tantamount to 'why isn't everyone more like meeeeeeeee?'

but on the other hand, they're a good way of stimulating debate and discussion. and if we can't complain about polls, ilx would surely implode under the weight of its own pointlessness.

"that's a fair point rab, although in fairness the first thing I heard of the poll was the results. I do read the skinny regularly, though, so I'm not sure how I missed it."

Ditto! Was it a web only poll? I just read the mag and don't tend to look on the website.

Didn't realise it was a public vote, but that makes more sense. The full 50 should be interesting - it's usually the case with these lists that the more intriguing stuff is outwith the top 10/20.

Is This Music? did a 100-odd best Scottish albums (in no order) a few years back, but it doesn't seem to be online.

just picked up the new issue - features on holy mountain , beak> and wounded knee! hurrah!

album of the year - animal collective. boo!

I share a few of your views there actually Stew. I don't think BOC, Mogwai, King Cresote and Arab Strap all needed two albums in the top twenty (when there's no Yorkston, LWB and so on), and it's strange that the highest placed 2009 album is De Rosa which the mag (IIRC) gave a 4-star review to and then said no more about (and three Scottish albums are in the Best Of 2009 list, none of which are De Rosa). And, I think that Idlewild album is really average, can't believe it won.

To an extent that's explained by the voting system. We invited readers to vote and loads did, on the comments thread and by email. And we got votes and write-ups from musicians & label people, too, which probably skewed things a little. I'm not sure exactly how things were weighted (if writers' votes counted for more than readers, for example), but the Ed assured me it was all done fairly.

Obviously something went wrong somewhere though because bloody Idlewild won! (OK I'll quit complaining now). Not actually seen the new issue / top fifty yet, I hope some of my votes which didn't make the 20 made the 50.

de rosa aren't talked enough about on this board. the tracks they did for the appendices 2008 project were consistently great, as is the 2009 album. such a waste they broke up.

I wouldn't have objected to two mogwai albums in the top 20 – if they were rock action and the hawk is howling. but I do find it odd that mogwai's two weakest albums (imo) are more highly feted.

imo the hawk is howling should have been called this album is howling.

Boom boom!

the full Top 50:

50. Lapsus Linguae - You Got Me Fraiche
49. Funk D'Void - Volume Freak
48. Dead Or American - Ends
47. We Were Promised Jetpacks - These Four Walls
46. De Rosa - Mend
45. James Yorkston - When The Haar Rolls In
44. Camera Obscura - My Maudlin Career
43. Found - This Mess We Keep Reshaping
42. Christ. - Metamorphic Reproduction Miracle
41. Laeto - Zwoa
40. Sons & Daughters - Love The Cup
39. The Delgados - Hate
38. James Yorkston - The Year Of The Leopard
37. Y'All Is Fantasy Island - Rescue Weekend
36. Foil - Never Got Hip
35. Half Cousin - The Function Room
34. Withered Hand - Good News
33. The Beta Band - Hot Shots II
32. Butcher Boy - React Or Die
31. Half Cousin - Iodine
30. Macrocosmica - Art of the Black Earth
29. Life Without Buildings - Any Other City
28. The Phantom Band - Checkmate Savage
27. The Twilight Sad - Forget The Night Ahead
26. Mogwai - Rock Action
25. Arab Strap - The Last Romance
24. Aerogramme - My Heart Has A Wish That You Would Not Go
23. Idlewild - The Remote Part
22. Biffy Clyro - Puzzle
21. Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastophe Waitress
20. Malcolm Middleton - Into The Woods
19. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
18. Uncle John & Whitelock - There Is Nothing Else
17. King Creosote - Rocket DIY
16. Meursault - Pissing On Bonfires/Kissing With Tongues
15. De Rosa - Prevention
14. Mogwai - Happy Songs For Happy People
13. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country
12. Arab Strap - The Red Thread
11. Aerogramme - Sleep And Release
10. Mogwai - Mr Beast
9. Boards of Canada - The Campfire Headphase
8. The Delgados - The Great Eastern
7. Arab Strap - Monday At The Hug & Pint
6. King Creosote - KC Rules OK
5. Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
4. Frightened Rabbit - The Midnight Organ Fight
3. Primal Scream - XTRMNTR
2. The Twilight Sad - Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters
1. Idlewild - 100 Broken Windows

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Well, the top twenty is rather predictable (as a decade-long list is inclined to be, if you've followed the music scene over the decade), but the rest of the list is much more interesting. There's a lot of bands and albums there I don't know, some artists I've never even heard of. Any ILMers want to add recommendations from the bottom half?

Also, I find it interesting that there's...I think seven albums from 2009 in there, and still no space for Dananananaykroyd or Hudson Mohawke! Usually these kind of lists discriminate against the most recent albums, because it takes time for a mass of opinion to settle on a record. Five from each year would be proportionate but most decade-lists I've seen are only including one or two from this year. Seven from this year seems a touch OTT, but it has been a brilliant year for Scottish music IMO.

Idlolwild

aye. I know.

Lapsus Linguae! I'd forgotten all about them. Fucking adored them. Laeto! I'd forgotten all about them too. Never quite got the love for them that my then-flatmate espoused.

I dunno. I've seen substantially worse lists than that in my life :)

needs more hussy's, and 'any other city' should be #1

inconceivable tht AOC wd be anything other than no.1 tbh

tho looking at tht list... wtf happened to scottish bands :(:(:(

1. Is Funk D'Void Scottish? I never knew. Heard something great in a record shop that was apparently him (them?) but either I never tracked down the right one or it didn't sound as good at home.
2. Oh hey, Laeto! I had an album of theirs - not that one - and liked it. Wonder where it is. No idea they'd done another one.
3. Any Other City was robbed, obv

travis! (only joking)

I'm not. Broke out The Man Who and The Invisible Band last night. Both brimming with gorgeous melodies, inventive arrangements, wistful vocals &c.

i don't really get into the third travis album.. but 'coming around' deserved a better fate than being a forgotten single-only track falling between those two albums. it's probably the best thing they did.

plus it has a great cover of "the weight" on the flip.

Keep hearing this thread title to the tune of Spanish Bombs.

I can't figure out what Noodle Vague finds so funny

Idlewild winning

hilarious

He's a jolly fellow

He was probably laughing because Idlewild beat a band a member of his family is in.

Tell you what: the Stark Palace LP (which is basically songs from their last three EPs, but fuck it) should be on that list too. Absolutely fucking superb. Should be a review floating about on Sunday.

Any love here for Dawson, Nyah Fearties or Shlebie?

if numbers 1 and 50 could be swapped in that list then it'd be a damn sight more otm

I started a Nyah Fearties thread years ago that is really too brief. Nyah Fearties
And there's a couple of other threads with stuff about Dawson. The "Bogshed - Kings of Swing" thread and another thread that's something like "Growing Up in Scotland".

LJ's definitive Mogwai ranking: Happy Songs >>> Rock Action >>>> Young Team >> Government Commissions > CODY > The Hawk Is Howling > EP +6 >>>>>>>> Mr Beast

Government Commissions gets ahead of CODY because its version of Like Herod is probably the most righteous (if not quite best) thing Mogwai have done

Young Team > Ten Rapid > Govt Commissions > EP+6 > Cody > Happy Songs > Rock Action > Mr Beast

Dunno where to put Zidane as I've barely listened to it.

Oh, missed Hawk is Howling, put that near the bottom somewhere.

Young Team > Ten Rapid > My Father, My King > Govt Commissions > EP+6 > Cody > Rock Action > Hawk is Howling >>>>>>>>>> Happy Songs > Mr Beast

though not an album, 'MFMK' surely has to be in there on the basis of its awesomeness. 'cody' would have been higher, but its version of 'xmas/christmas steps' is a poor cousin to the one on 'EP+6'/'no education'. there's very little space between 'cody', 'rock action' and 'hawk', but then a big drop-off to 'happy songs'/'beast'.

never heard zidane.

you sen this, mogwai people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DD5sy_EnvE

Haven't seen it and can't at work but I'll take a look later, cheers.

I still don't think Mogwai have produced an album that even touches how good they actually are as a band, or comes close to encapsulating their potential. I love everything they've released, but I don't feel any of it is particularly solid supporting evidence for my frothing-mouthed enthusiasm about them.

I like that Burning trailer a lot. High hopes for that.

I still don't think Mogwai have produced an album that even touches how good they actually are as a band

This is completely OTM and I realise it more the older I get. Their two most concise albums really did capture SOMETHING, though. They forced themselves to be more concentrated, and they played around with electronics in a joyful, non-mundane manner.

young team still the best tho

Young Team is excellent and primal and influential but it's also messy and unfocused in a way that doesn't suit their precise build-and-bust dynamic. They're a band that needs regimentation; being all over the place isn't where they're comfortable. (It's actually their biggest limitation, and the reason I don't love them as much as I used to.) There's just this sense that they threw everything together without organising the album; they're an albums band, and that album could have used a bit of fat-trimming. I'd get rid of half the tracks! The shorter half, obviously. Doesn't need that padding.

yes!
herod
tracy
rusi2i
satan

^^^bang

i know this isn't an album per se, but imho it was mogwai's finest moment if you treat it as one:

http://www.discogs.com/Mogwai-EP-6/master/205749