Taking Sides: Ireland V Scotland; which has the worst bands?

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(xpost) Sorry, to clarify: I like Camera Obscura more just cos they were like brilliant live when I saw them.

Gangsta Twee? The mind boggles...

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Ice Cub

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

*checks thread for mentions of Associates and Cocteau Twins, finds none so adds them duly*

I thought Marcello likes those bands.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I was thicko and didn't realise it was about crap Celtic bands per se (have Runrig made an appearance yet?).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Del Amitri vs Boomtown Rats, Scotland wins.
just making sure .... do people understand that 'winning' here means being the worst?

-- sonofstan (stanerraugh...), September 4th, 2006.

Of course I know!

zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep taking the piss out of Runrig, I'm hoping this thread'll draw some World Class Googlers.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye.
Capercaille hadn't. They can't beat Enya/Clannad though.
x-posts

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Glasgow is the epicentre of bland

I know I'm quoting myself, but can someone tell me why this should be so? For a city that prides itself on its faux celtic macho image, why is it a veritble production line of world-class blandosaurs. As soon as one fades another pops up, thus; (taking a random staring point) Deacon Blue begat Wet wet wet begat Texas begat Nutini etc etc. It's pure no fair by the way big man.

lexurian (lexurian), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Because of the bifurcation in the '80s of Scottish musicians' obsession with America, which can be divided into two camps:

(a) the bohemian dropout half who wanted to be Lou Reed - Orange Juice, Pastels, Mary Chain;
(b) the upwardly mobile urban half who wanted to be Sinatra, hey lookit those skyscrapers! - Wets, Hue & Cry, Deacon.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Some of us wanted to be Franz Kafka, but even Kafka dreamed of Amerika.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Kafka dreamt?

Jesus wept.

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I still haven't heard this Nutini guy. Am I lucky?

I was hoping the irish contingent were going to remind me of some classic irish music a la Brendan Shine and the like.
The Fureys played Hamilton actually about 10 years ago. My mate and I were tempted to go hehe. My parents saw them in Glasgow a few years later but there seemed to have been some falling out and a few members weren't there. The only one i can remember the name of was Finbar.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

No, Nutini is required listening for everyone who cares about music. Only when we comprehend the enormity of our foe do we know what we have to do, and how soon to do it.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Finbar Furey's yer only man. There's nothing wrong with the Furey's though. They're no plastic paddies or anything. They're tinkers from Ballyfermot.

What about Luke Kelly?
"Onnnnn Raahh GLAnn RO-UDD"

Afro Celt Sound System - Crusty Dance / Trad you can take drugs too

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Ireland can win for bands but I sense Scotland has the better clubs?

bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Hang on, if people are invoking granny-friendly cabaret like Brendan Shine and Foster & Allan, then Scotland has Fran & Anna. And the Alexander Brothers. Do we win yet?

The Dubliners vs The Chieftans
The Corries vs Hamish Imlach.

Are you slagging these people off?

I like, or at least don't dislike, far too many bands mentioned here.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do so many Irish bands go on and on about ... being Irish?

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(i know all their late 80s/early 90s stuff as my dad liked them for a spell)

Worst excuse ever! Or were you tethered to him for a number of years or something?

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

xposts but no ailsa. I wasn't slagging any of them you mentioned.

And as for runrig, it was not possible to avoid them as he played them in the car constantly.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Kafka dreamed so much he never finished Amerika

whatever (boglogger), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s72139.jpg

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s146402.jpg

dear god I couldn't even remember their name last night... ugh

bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Corries vs Hamish Imlach"

Neither are Irish. Both are good. What's your point?

everything (everything), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I never said they were irish.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Scotland has Silly Wizard, which counts for something I guess.

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Kerr, don't you understand that listing one act v another act on a thread about "one thing v another thing, which is most shite?" might lead people to think that you are listing examples from each side, and declaring them shite in the process?

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Ireland wins this hands down. Ireland has a music scene that thinks by its total disconnection from success and big record labels it's actually achieved something. This would be fine if all these acts were making experimental dub or something but most are actually bad commercial rock music.

Scotland is part of the British music scene at least, I don't mean that pejoratively either, just that there is some give/take between the two.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 September 2006 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ireland has a music scene that thinks by its total disconnection from success and big record labels it's actually achieved something. This would be fine if all these acts were making experimental dub or something but most are actually bad commercial rock music.

I agree with the first sentence, but feel that actually Ireland's music scene is characterised by underachieving experimentalists with no obvious hunger to connect to a record buying public.

At the risk of appearing like a shameless self-promoter, here is my amazing list of the GREATEST EVER IRISH MUSICAL TUNES: http://inuitbikini.blogspot.com/2006/08/cd-greatest-irish-music-tunes-ever.html

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

ireland

nakhchivan, Sunday, 21 August 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

simple minds could win it for scotland though

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

There are a couple of Irish bands I've liked, can only think of one Scottish (Mogwai).

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

Was going to bring up The Pogues as a plus point for Ireland, then remembered they're actually English.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

As much as it pains me to admit it, the answer is "Ireland"

Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, Ireland wins this one with ease

Number None, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

even with simple minds and deacon blue, the answer is still Ireland innit?

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

Ireland has some good metal bands currently though in it's favour.

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

Inverness is perhaps the most overlooked area of Scottish Hip Hop though acts such as Spit-Dis and T-E-C were prominent in the Highlands & Islands. Spit-Dis consists of Brude (Glass Cage), John-Boi (Focus on the Day), KD (Life is a Game) and Sherbit (Hip-Hop). The members of T-E-C, Mgoff and Paul Scotti are perhaps most recognised for their tracks "Don't Doubt The Flow", "These Parts" and "The Movement". In an area disproportionately dominated by traditional Highland music and Rock bands, these groups are particularly influential in the local and national scene in a way which was previously unassociated with artists from this area.

buzza, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:15 (twelve years ago) link

Can Scotland claim Gentle Giant? The Shulman brothers were born in Glasgow, didn't live there very long though. Anyway, I'm not sure if Gentle Giant would tip the scales either way for Scotland.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 22 August 2011 13:17 (twelve years ago) link

ac/dc means scotland cant win.

jethro tull does

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

didn't know where to put this, been listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSxrH8yYI_E

The stage banter at the end is hilariously cheesy after such a great and deep rendition

(i found it on a cheap vinyl record) another thread mentioned the Corries are remarkably unavailable on cd. (I certainly had never heard of them before, which must be very continental European of me)

Ludo, Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link

Oh god, Ireland easily.

2rrican (Turrican), Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:51 (eight years ago) link

The stage banter at the end is hilariously cheesy after such a great and deep rendition

That's folk musicians for you.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link

I'd have to go with Ireland too

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link

Roy Williamson was a helluva talent, Ronnie Browne, er, not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylj-O06Is_c

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link

maybe Roy sold his soul to the devil, and had to include Ronnie Browne in the package deal hehehe. Haircut Ronnie certainly looks like he should just be in a Asterix and Obelix in Scotland in 3D adaptation

thanks for that vid!

Ludo, Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link


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