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right, I'd rather go any of the other days of the year when there aren't any other people around, especially people less respectful of the place.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The guy who lived the floor below me in Chicago went and it seriously changed his whole demeanor.

Prior to him going, he'd come up to our place, constantly remind us that he was older than us and we'd learn how to make wise decisions when we were his age (28 I think), make sure that we weren't going to be amking any noise after 10pm on a weeknight, wander in and out of my roomate's studios making negative comments on thier works-in-progress, and complain about the string of visitors coming and going from our place.

After BM, he was still constantly dropping by unnanounced, but instead it was just to make sure we all "felt good vibes" and to just check in to make sure we knew that "everything is cool now." Dude got seriously evangelical about how BM changed his life.

So, while I've never been, (and I used to spend hours looking at people's pitcures of BM on-line while I was a College Freshman in 1998, hoping and praying for the day I too could go) I'd say it's a draw.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

no offense but your neighbor sounds like a bozo both before and after.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

my point exactly. its just that BM severly altered his method of bozo-ness.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

looking at pictures of BM - gross

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I did lots of gross things when I was 18.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

do you examine your own BM?

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Butt Dickass to thread.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It gets everyone obnoxious out of town for a few days. CLASSIC.

-- Tep (te...) (webmail), August 11th, 2003 11:15 AM.

otm, btw

gear (gear), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

As someone who both went to Burning Man and spun dance music during the event, I'd like to give a healthy "fuck you" to all the haters. I stopped going too (my last year was 2001), but I still meet first-timers who had a blast and/or had their perspective changed by Burning Man.

Every year I went there were at least 3-4 art pieces that were truly mind-blowing. Sure, this isn't a great ratio, but who cares?

And as far as the "I hate raving partygoers/weirdos/hippies" crap, when did you all turn into reactionaries (this is where one of the assholes pipes in with '2001! No! 1997!")?

And really, the trick to avoiding the more beer-guzzling obnoxious side of Burning Man is to leave on Friday. The weekend DOES turn into something a little ugly and scary. If I hadn't gone with a theme camp (and had to clean it up on Sunday), I would have left early, for sure.

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link


Shakey Mo (and other non-haters) OTM, I went for the first time this year and loved it. I'll definately be going again. It wasn't that hot, although it depends on what you're used to, I guess. The beer-guzzling Yahoo aspect of it is a small part of it, likewise for the unwashed hippie-ness. It's mostly a big party in the desert, and the city rising out of the featureless plain is one of the most fantastic things about it. (OK, there's too much techno.)

And the blogger linked on the revive eventually said this:

UPDATE #2: It’s rather apparent from the comments that many readers did not understand the satircal nature of this review. This review contains a large component of satire.

For what that's worth. Apparently he was writing from a "character's" perspective rather than his own, and exagerated much of what he experienced.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i, for one, amn't a hater. i love the desert.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

how do burners differ qualitatively from national forest off-road ATV'ers or Yellowstone snowmobilers? yes, it's BLM land, I know, but so is a lot of the best country in this country.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link


The terrain is left pretty much as it was when they leave, as I saw it on Monday. And they are really a lot friendlier than people partying in a park somewhere, in my experience. The clubs and bars are free.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

probably not by a lot, I'd wager, except that those Snowmobilers and off-road ATV types probably retire to cozy cabins with all the amenities when they're done for the day, whereas at BM you're REALLY roughing it (y'know, in a dust-covered tent staked down with rebar and your water in plastic cartons etc.)

In terms of how they treat the land, I'd venture that its true a lot of BMers seem to be rather careless about their commitment to "leaving no trace". The BM organization themselves, however, are uber-hardcore about it and tend to do a pretty phenomenal job of going over every inch of the playa and picking up cigarette butts, ashes, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

people are super-friendly its true - everything runs on a barter economy (with perhaps drugs excepted as gygax pointed out), and people are generally aware that being helpful to their fellow attendees is in everybody's best interest.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I do have to admit that I kinda regret not going during the late-90s when dot.commies were spending GDP-sized wads of cash on the most outrageous encampments. Hanging Garden Of Bablyon on the playa, etc.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

In my "looking at burning man photos online at age 18" phase I remember seeing someone who rented a freezer truck and hosted parties inside of it. Definatley would have hit that up were there.

researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 7 October 2006 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Premature combustion

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

What kind of hippies call in The Man?

milo z, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

This is his mug shot -

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4362/baburningmanburner104zh2.jpg

svend, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

HERO

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

They could just rename it this year and call it Burnt Man

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:39 (sixteen years ago) link

burning man is really the lamest thing i can think of

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Our grants manager is out this week because she's at burning man for the 5th year straight. She's a hoola hooper. Blech.

ENBB, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link

why?

xpost

chaki, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

naked self righteous hippies, aweful art, radical self expression, dust, etc

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.damer.com/pictures/events/burningman99/people/Image34.jpg
NIGHTMARE VACATION

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I can think of a few lamer things.

U R HATAH

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link

. "Everyone is looking at it this morning, this big black figure in the sky and that wasn't supposed to burn, saying 'Now what do we do?'"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

no really it sounds so terrible to me

the desperate search for meaning in some indulgent desert bullshit is really sort of icky

at least thats the impression ive gotten from every attendee ive ever spoken with

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Where does a hyper-jaded cynical person like you ever come into contact with all these wide-eyed naifs? I gave my real take on Burning Man WAAAY upthread, so I won't repeat myself, but I think that you are (probably deliberately) getting a weirdly skewed take on the whole deal.

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

it was good drunk fun in the desert the one time i went. i can't understand the vitriol of someone who has never been.

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Searching for meaning is like, so desperate.

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Where does a hyper-jaded cynical person like you ever come into contact with all these wide-eyed naifs?

ha perfect! funny how closely radical inclusion, immediacy, civic responsibility, whatever; resembles bitter accusatory escapism.

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

zing!...?

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

to answer yr question i can think of 5 people i know who are repeat attendees. and im sure ive talked to some others at parties or something.

the search for meaning isnt necessarily desperate, it's actually pretty much universally human. but in this case it does look pretty pitiful. sort of a christian rock concert vibe in it's aggressive abandonment of critical intelligence and intense devotion to concept.

as for the it's just a big party argument. im sure you could just go for the fun. but it seems most burning people do attach way more importance to the thing. most parties dont have manifestos.

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

also i just have a really hard time w/hot dusty environments and loud freeeaaky people

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link

fair

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking of The Man

Wall Street executives at Burning Man? You bet. Though there’s nothing farther from the cutthroat, moneymaking world of Wall Street than the anticapitalist, anticorporate festival of radical self-expression known as Burning Man, we found several New York business executives and Wall Street types who are heading out West this week and staying through Labor Day. In the dusty, storm-ridden desert flatlands north of Reno, Nevada, is a place dubbed Black Rock City, home of the biggest little countercultural festival in the world.

“I first went out there in 2003 because a classmate from the Stanford Business School had an art project on the playa,” says a senior executive for a major Wall Street company, who asked not to be named. One of the main draws for him and most of the other 50,000 participants expected this year are the massive collaborative art projects, like last year’s giant Belgian Waffle or the 50-foot stick figure that gets torched at the end of the week—the burning man that gives the festival its name.

“That’s the attraction. You create something from nothing, it’s remarkable for a short period of time, and then it’s gone,” says the executive, whose own participation includes cooking gourmet meals and distributing them for free to the masses. Other attendees contribute three-dimensional creative works, all of which result in a temporary psychedelic city of art and theme camps on “the playa,” the ancient lakebed where the event is held.

The Stanford classmate in 2003 created a multimedia installation that paid tribute to the sun, with trapeze artists performing at sunset, music synchronized with the sunrise, and, thanks to the creative tinkering of a couple of Silicon Valley engineers, a sound system with light projections. “You could actually watch the sound emanating through the light across the playa.”

But this is hardly the first time business people have attended the festival. Past attendees from the business world include Amazon C.E.O. Jeff Bezos, Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, and Google C.E.O. Eric Schmidt, among others.

Of course, because the nature of Burning Man is to leave all commercial trappings behind, the organizers of the event are loath to tally the number and type of professionals in attendance, although a spokeswoman noted that “we do have a large group coming for their corporate retreat this year. They are building an art project.”

And the business folks who go (albeit anonymously, in the spirit of the event) say they get something out of this nonhierarchical, open-society environment. “When I return, I think I’m a far better executive, in terms of innovation and creativity,” says the senior executive. “And each year that I come back, I’m better for it. I think my team and my company are better for it. I stay creative and expose myself to new ideas.”

Leslie Bucksor, a partner in a New York financial-consulting firm, and his wife, Cory, will be camping out with his business partner this year; this will be his 10th year on the playa. And he may do business, if the necessity arises. In 2002, Bucksor left the camp three times to work on patent applications at Bruno’s Casino and Country Club, a nearby desert dive. “If it’s the only way I can be there, I will do it,” Bucksor says. “It’s such an important experience for me.”

Leaving the playa is the only way to conduct business in this commercial-free zone. Cell-phone coverage and internet access are very limited, and there’s no commerce whatsoever. The mini-countercultural civilization survives on gift giving; even bartering is not allowed.

But if no cash changes hands on the playa, it certainly does ahead of time. Going to Burning Man is not cheap, with presale tickets starting at $195 and going up to $350 at the gate. Plus, attendees have a massive preparation list: food, water, tents, sleeping bags, glow-in-the-dark anything, bikes, and goggles and dust masks for surviving the dust storms. And more and more participants are stepping up the experience with decked-out R.V.’s and luxury camps equipped with extensive high-tech elements and semipermanent buildings.

James Okura, who runs his own art-production company, sets up an air-conditioned fake-fur-lined tent and tunnel system he calls the Geisha House. “We provide chilled sake in an office watercooler and Japanese snacks. Our motto is ‘You are your own geisha.’ ”

“People have definitely stepped it up for luxury,” says a hedge fund trader in his thirties, who’s going this year with some heavy hitters in media and finance. “This will be my first year going in an R.V.: The Four Seasons version of Burning Man.”

Newbies are in for an exercise in surviving in a very noncompetitive, open atmosphere—attributes that are exactly the opposite of the Wall Street and hedge fund worlds. It’s not for everyone.

“The Wall Street crowd at Burning Man is very small,” says the hedge fund trader. “I would not encourage anyone I work with to go. I see how people are in this business, and I would not trust them to engage the experience as it should be engaged.” He went for the first time in 2001 with friends from San Francisco.

The trader is afraid the playa will be polluted with what he refers to as the “aggressive indulgence that is part and parcel of New York City, particularly of those in high-powered, high-paying jobs.”

Such people may have the wrong idea about the festival. “People think it’s a big drug-sex thing out there when it’s really, really not,” the trader says. “It couldn’t be farther from the truth.”

Celebrities such as Sting, Courtney Cox, and Robin Williams have been known to go in previous years, but there are no V.I.P.’s at Burning Man, and that’s part of its appeal. “The Burning Man spirit,” says the trader. “I’ve seen it overwhelm people out there. If everybody went once, the world would be a cooler place.”

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

it isn't nearly as dogmatic, in person, as you might imagine.

i should probably qualify all i say with "I went 10 years ago." i wonder how much it's changed.

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Finally something that the hippie and the hedge fund trader can agree upon - the hopes that "aggressive indulgence" won't spoil the playa

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:50 (sixteen years ago) link

more like Earning Man these days amirite

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

the hopes that "aggressive indulgence" won't spoil the playa

Don't hate the playa, hate the sunburn.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i should probably qualify all i say with "I went 10 years ago." i wonder how much it's changed.

Well apparently, the burning of the Burning Man takes place on Tuesdays now.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i like how he's being charged w/arson for burning the burning man

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.kqed.org/topics/local/gallery/images/sadstare345x549.jpg
whaaa the radical self-expression decommodification and immediacy was supposed to be on saturdaaay ;_;

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

call the police

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

burner dude i crown thee King 'That Guy'

tremendoid, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link

jhøshea u sound like a dik

chaki, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link


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