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p.s. life, seriously:

UK physics council sees grim future

Second financial crisis in two years leaves researchers questioning the council's long-term viability.

Geoff Brumfiel

The Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC), which funds the United Kingdom's astronomy, particle- and nuclear-physics communities, is short by roughly £40 million (US$66 million) in its annual £450-million cash budget. High-energy-physics grants have already been affected, and in a bid to contain costs the council said last week that it would probably withdraw from the multinational Gemini telescope project in 2012.

It is the second such budgetary dilemma for the STFC. The council was formed from the merger of two other councils in April 2007, at the same time as the UK government was undergoing a triennial budget review. "It was a perfect storm" of financial pressures, says Paul Crowther, an astrophysicist at the University of Sheffield. Within months, the newborn STFC announced that it was facing an £80-million budget gap.

The latest problems have made physicists angry once more. "This second crisis makes clear that the STFC is incapable of being run in its current form," argues Brian Foster, a particle physicist at the University of Oxford.

Things are likely to worsen in the coming months. Throughout the autumn, physicists have met to prioritize projects in areas supported by the council. The prioritization will be used to determine how to spend money within the current budget levels, says Terry O'Connor, the STFC's director of communications.

High-energy physicists have already seen their latest grants funded for one year rather than for the standard three to five. That makes it difficult to support postdocs and hire technical staff, says Phil Allport, a particle physicist at the University of Liverpool. And the change comes as scientists are gearing up to study data from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva, Switzerland. "Just as collisions are starting in the LHC, the United Kingdom may not be able to adequately exploit it," Allport says.

Astronomers are also feeling the pinch. The proposed withdrawal from the Gemini Observatory, a pair of eight-metre telescopes in Hawaii and Chile, echoes a 2007 council announcement that it later cancelled. This time, a review panel of academics made the decision, says Andrew Fabian, an astronomer at the University of Cambridge and president of the Royal Astronomical Society. "We feel that the current package we have with Gemini does not give us a big enough benefit," he says.

Nuclear physicists' dreams for the future are also being affected by the cash problems. UK researchers had hoped that Britain would become a partner in the multinational Facility for Antiproton and Ion Research, now being planned at the GSI Helmholtz Centre for Heavy Ion Research in Darmstadt, Germany. But the budgetary shortfall has left those plans in question, says Bill Gelletly, a nuclear physicist at the University of Surrey in Guildford.

The origins of the shortfall are complex. In 2007, the STFC proposed deep cuts to deal with its financial problems. The UK government responded by allowing the council to borrow money from future years and by providing some support to compensate for currency fluctuations. "The outcry got the attention of people high up," says Crowther, but "it didn't make the problem go away."

Since then, the weakened pound has made it increasingly difficult for the STFC to pay its overseas subscription fees to international facilities such as CERN, the lab that houses the LHC. In addition, repayment of the money borrowed from future years is now due. A 2008 prioritization cut grant renewing by a quarter, but that was not enough to make up the shortfall.

Many who depend on the council for funding can barely contain their anger. "We've had scientific prioritization after scientific prioritization," says George Efstathiou, director of the Kavli Institute for Cosmology at the University of Cambridge. "Why has this organization still not got its programme sorted out?"

O'Connor says the council is doing the best it can at a time when the country's economic future stands at a crossroads. The uncertainty "is not confined to particle physics, nuclear and astronomy", he says, "it's right across the research base — it's right across the economy".

The council is now looking beyond its current three-year spending plan to establish a five-year programme and a ten-year strategy, he says.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

from http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091125/full/462396a.html for those of you with institutional access

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

really cool mandelbulb link, caek - am I alone in finding some of the pictures on it almost unsettling? something about the use of lighting and texture feels quite odd.

(just read that article too, grim stuff)

Bill A, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

:-/

The crisis won't last forever though. How can humanity justify not wanting to understand how shit works?

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

grim is a word.

the reason i bring that shit up on this thread is that although the situation is mostly uk science management's fault, it's made much worse by CERN, which is like 50% of the UK budget, and cannot be reduced because we have treaty obligations.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link

xp
I mean, sure, 99.999% of humanity won't ever understand and will only get to hear about The God Particle (imagine "3.5 spin muon with negative strangeness bumps into antimuon shocka!"), but even so, someone has to find out for the rest of us.

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not convinced people do want to know how shit works per se. astronomy and particle physics are basically culture. voters are willing to pay us for the same reason there is state funding for the arts. our jobs are to make people go "whoa, cool". 50 years ago you could do that by showing them how things work, but at the moment the theoretical framework of most of it is so ugly and crufty that that trick doesn't work any more. this may change, but not in the next couple of decades. so in the meantime the best way to get a "whoa cool" or a moon landing moment is Hubble images and solar system exploration. they're not cheap, but they're much better value for money from that POV than the LHC imo.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

voters are willing to pay us for the same reason there is state funding for the arts.

government have a slightly more sophisticated (but less correct) view of why we pay particle physicists and astronomers. they have convinced themselves that it's for the same reason we pay chemical engineers and people figuring out cell death: to directly benefit the economy and our health/tangible well-being. lolz.

the one possible way that is true is that there being jobs in fundamental physics encourages people to get very good PhD-level training in physics, which turn out to be extremely useful for the economy when they leave physics, which 2/3 of them do, because there aren't enough jobs. governments are quite rightly happy with this aspect of the situation, but it's kind of morally dubious imo.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, i'm ranting. cern is cool.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

The general population doesn't need to know about gluons & bosons & stuff, but if you can tell them that understanding gravity might help someone invent a flying car or a better rocket so we can go fight the aliens, then there's your "whoa, cool" opportunity!

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

but yeah, funding :-(

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, yeah. if/when they figure out particle physics, the world is going to get all dr. manhattan very quickly, which will be fun.

in the meantime, any uk dudes reading this who feel like writing a letter to their MP, literally every graduating astronomy PhD i know who is not stuck in the UK for personal reasons is leaving this year, all because of an accounting fuckup happening at the same time as the LHC. we only need £20-40m to make it right, which is not a big deal to keep some astronomy going in the UK, you know?

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

truth bomb: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=2539

not particularly related, but i don't know where else to put it so i'm putting it here.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

first LHC science paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.5430v2 (click PDF)

they sure do have a lot of co-authors in particle physics.

caek, Thursday, 3 December 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm making this the particle physics thread and therefore posting this: http://resonaances.blogspot.com/2009/12/dark-matter-discovered.html

caek, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Note: it is a running joke in astronomy at least that a prerequiste for a paper to get publishing in Nature is that it be interesting but also proved wrong within 1 year.

caek, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

But this is true: "If they are right, the Christmas holiday will be ruined."

caek, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Kick ass!

StanM, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 07:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Too bad it's rather unintelligible for mere mortals :(

StanM, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 09:02 (fourteen years ago) link

basically stuff is getting really real

caek, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link

That's more like it!

I somehow expected that a discovery of dark matter was going to be something overwhelming since it's supposed to be 80+ percent of all matter, not the detection of a tiny number of telltale events in between billions of others but yeah

StanM, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link

update to that blog post

I was alerted to your blog of yesterday (you certainly don't make contacting you easy). Your "fact" #1, that Nature is about to publish a
CDMS paper on dark matter, is completely false. This would be instantly
obvious to the most casual observer because the purported date of publication is a Friday, and Nature is published on Thursdays. Your "fact" therefore contains as much truth as the average Fox News story, and I would be grateful if you would correct it immediately.

Your comments about the embargo are therefore, within this context, ridiculous. Peer review is a process, the culmination of which is publication. We regard confidentiality of results during the process as a matter of professional ethics, though of course authors are free to post to arxiv at any point during the process (we will not interfere with professional communication of results to peers).

Dr Leslie Sage
Senior editor, physical sciences
Nature

lol at nature dude losing his rag, but ya burnt

caek, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Liveblogging and stream of possible announcement of DM detection here now:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/17/dark-matter-detected-or-not-live-blogging-the-seminar/
http://www-group.slac.stanford.edu/kipac/cdms_live.html

caek, Thursday, 17 December 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

ok looks like we have a winner

caek, Thursday, 17 December 2009 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

THE NUMBER IS TWO!!!

Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 December 2009 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

so should we commence worshipping our dark matter overlords or what

Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 December 2009 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, it's not as big a deal as first thought. the expected background (i.e. spurious detections that are not caused by putative dark matter particles) was 0.5, but the real background turned out to be 1, so seeing 2 counts is not as unlikely as it seemed. promising though.

meanwhile, i haven't read this yet, but i'm told it's a really good introduction: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/01/hadron-collider-201001

caek, Thursday, 17 December 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

(introduction to the LHC, that is)

caek, Thursday, 17 December 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Case of the Collider and the Great Black Hole

The physicists have had their say. Now a legal study asks how a court might handle a request to halt a multibillion-dollar particle-physics experiment. The analysis makes for startling reading.

The physicists have had their say. Now a legal study asks how a court might handle a request to halt a multibillion-dollar particle-physics experiment. The analysis makes for startling reading.
For particle physicists, the Large Hadron Collider is a long-awaited dream that has finally come true. The LHC should supply a steady stream of data for the community to number crunch and that should lead to some fundamental new insights into the nature of the universe. It also guarantees jobs and careers for a generation of physicists around the world.

But there is another group who say that CERN, the organisation that has built and runs the collider, has not done enough to reassure the world that the work is safe. The fear is that the collider can produce black holes that might gobble up the Earth. Various legal actions have failed to halt the work, not because of the scientific or safety issues involved, but because of problems of jurisdiction. CERN has an immunity from court action in its member states and a US court action in Hawaii found that it did not have the jurisdiction to proceed.

Today, we get a fascinating new perspective on the issue from Eric Johnson, an assistant professor of law at the University of North Dakota School of Law in Grand Forks. Johnson asks what a court should do with a preliminary-injunction request to halt a multibillion-dollar particle-physics experiment that plaintiffs claim could create a black hole that will devour the planet.

This is a problem, he says, that has all the hallmarks of a law-school classic. And to give him his due, it's certainly a gripping read.

Johnson begins with an account of the history of the debate behind the science and its safety. This is worth a read by itself because Johnson writes with flare, clarity and an excellent grasp of the issues that scientists grapple with. He is not a physicist but uses his journey of understanding as a way of benchmarking how a court might come to grips with the issues involved.

Having set the scene, he then introduces the unique legal problems that this case presents. "The enormity of the alleged harm and the extreme complexity of the scientific factual issues combine to create seemingly irreducible puzzles of jurisprudence," says Johnson.

For example, one problem that a court might have to deal with is the expert witness. The problem here is one of independence. There is a huge amount at stake for these witnesses. On the one hand, an injunction would threaten the career of almost any particle physicist who gave evidence. On the other hand, there is the threat to the Earth.

"The experts are either afraid for their livelihoods or afraid for their lives," writes Johnson.

One way round this is to carry out a cost-benefit analysis but this soon runs into problems too. How do you value the future of entire planet? You could argue that it is infinite in which case any risk that it will be destroyed, no matter how tiny, is too much. Another argument, well established in law, is that there can be no award to a dead person's estate. "Death is simply not a redressable injury under American tort law," says Johnson.

By this argument, the downside of a particle-accelerator disaster that destroys the planet--assuming it is quick--is nothing. The cost-benefit analysis simply blows up in our faces.

There is a way out of these legal conundrums, however. Johnson describes four categories of meta-analysis that could be used to address the black hole case.

One line of analysis focuses on the possibility that the scientific theory upon which the safety assurances are based may be defective. He points out that these safety assurances have not yet stood the test of time. In fact, the various safety assurances that CERN has given over the last ten years or so have changed several times as new ideas and challenges have arisen. That's worrying.

And in any case, there is a more general point. Many scientists, even particle physicists, would surely agree that a scientific theory that seems unassailable in one era may seem naïve in the next.

This raises the important question of whether state-of-the-art theoretical physics is up to the task of making a trustworthy prediction that the LHC is safe.

Then there is the possibility that the scientists at CERN who have given the safety assurances have simply made a mistake in their thinking. Is it really possible that a team of world class scientists could make such an error?

Well, yes. One fatal example is the 1954 Castle Bravo nuclear test which was supposed to yield 5 megatons but actually yielded 15 megatons because of flawed calculations. In this case, a Japanese trawler fishing outside the exclusion zone was engulfed by fallout killing one of the crew.

Then there were the calculations that physicists used to reassure the public that another accelerator called RHIC was safe. These too turned out to be seriously flawed.

But perhaps the most worrying problem is the possibility of groupthink, that particle physicists have simply convinced themselves that the LHC is not dangerous and will brook no alternative view. There are some other examples of this in science, perhaps the most high profile one being the Columbia space shuttle tragedy.

Johnson says this: "The report of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board ("CAIB") found that decision makers focused on information that tended to support their expected or desired result--that the foam strike that ultimately doomed Columbia did not represent a safety of flight issue."

Indeed CAIB said: "In our view, the NASA organizational culture had as much to do with this accident as the foam."

It would be hard to rule out the possibility that a similar form of groupthink infects the particle physics community. On the contrary, there is evidence that physicists have little time for anyone who questions their safety assurances. Johnson quotes the British physicist Brian Cox who is reported to have said: "Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat."

That is not an encouraging sign.

But perhaps the most powerful argument that all is not well with CERN's safety assurances is the fact that the organisation has carried out the safety studies itself. Here is Johnson's take:

"It is remarkable to think for a moment how CERN's situation might be viewed if, instead of operating a particle accelerator, CERN was a developer of pharmaceuticals. If a pharmaceutical firm attempted to take a drug to market based on the safety assessment of a panel of five of its employees, who in turn relied on the scientific work of one employee and one other scientist with a pending visiting position with the firm--it would be a scandal of epic proportions."

Having presented the case, Johnson himself is remarkably relaxed about the issue. "My motivation in writing is certainly not to engender fear. I have no apprehension to share. Nor is it my intent or my desire to shut down the LHC. ... My argument is one of law," he says. He does not not predict how such a legal case might pan out. Instead, he says it would be a matter for a court decide (presuming one could be found with the necessary authority to hear it).

Nevertheless, it is hard to come away from Johnson's analysis with the impression that the global public interest has been well served in this matter.

Johnson says this:

"While it seems absurd, in the abstract, that a group of apparently normal people could risk the entire planet in the course of carrying out a science experiment, the prospect does seem distinctly plausible once one takes a look at the details. Such a disaster is not likely, to be sure, but it does appear plausible enough to give one pause."

Johnson is well aware that this case may never come to court (although he points out that one like it that raises the same issues may well come about in the future).

So the real test will be how the particle physics community responds, whether with spittle-flecked ire or reasoned argument.

There is another possibility of course; that they'll simply attempt to ignore it.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

lol at the idea of the particle physics community responding with spittle-flecked ire to this

caek, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Fermilab & the Haiti earthquake (1800 miles away) :

http://www.cernlove.org/blog/2010/01/billion-dollar-seismograph/

StanM, Friday, 15 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

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StanM, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

somebody finally made a banner ad intriguing enough that I actually want to click on it

I regret choosing this bland user name (peter in montreal), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

LHC to shut down for a year to address safety concerns

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Can someone explain this to me? At the beginning of the article it says...
The atom smasher will reach world record power later this month at 7 trillion electron volts (TeV).

And then later on it says...

Engineers believe the machine is now safe to run at 7TeV but are anxious to avoid another breakdown.

So they have taken the decision to run the machine for 18 to 24 months at half-maximum power before switching it off for a year to carry out improvements to the 27km tunnel.

So are they going to power this baby up to 7 or what? (Or am I just be reading it all wrong).

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, sorry, being a bit stupid. 7 is half the ultimate maximum power. I get it.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:09 (fourteen years ago) link

The atom smasher will reach world record power later this month at 7 trillion electron volts (TeV).

But the machine must close at the end of 2011 for up to a year for work to make the tunnel safe for proton collisions planned at twice that level.

bracken free ditch (Ste), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

bah xp

bracken free ditch (Ste), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

7TeV in each direction = collisions at 14TeV, no?

StanM, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link

One minute (okay, last november, but still) they were piddling about at 1 trillion and now they're up to 7. Seems incredible to me but I have no idea how these things work.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh FFS, get on with it or I'm going to build one in my shed.

StanM, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Hold on, I don't have a shed. Nevermind.

StanM, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:18 (fourteen years ago) link

So the world ending machine will finally get turned on in 2012? That's pretty convenient.

adamj, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 09:56 (fourteen years ago) link

lol^

Roz, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 11:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm sure i called that

bracken free ditch (Ste), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 11:52 (fourteen years ago) link

So the world ending machine will finally get turned on in 2012? That's pretty convenient.

Hah, apparently late 2012!

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

The LHC is my favorite celebrity.

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Hold on, I don't have a shed.

1) build shed
2) build LHC crusher
3) ???
4) profit

might seem normal but is actually (snoball), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Brilliant! Thank you, I will name the frozen planet that I create with my first explosion after you in tribute.

StanM, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

The LHC is my favorite celebrity.
word!

mind crystals over matter (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link


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