Steven Spielberg - classic or dud

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the worst is futurizing stuff that doesn't make any sense, like in AI... in the future cars will only need THREE wheels!

Fritz Lang did a lot of stupid stuff too. Doesn't change the fact that he's among the three or five best directors ever.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

when will people realize that big lebowski really isn't all that

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

bamboozled was ignored?

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway complexity & contradiction are not inherently good traits! the mechanics of the holocaust were complex and contradctory!!

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

lebowski is still really, really funny

― 6, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

so is fargo!

― 6, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet this thread could go on for 2000 posts before ppl would discuss "Amistad" since it doesn't fit their idea of 'typical Spielberg' re milieu or themes.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

or maybe because nobody saw it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it was aight

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't see it. White man makes movie about slavery = me not being interested.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

you are an idiot

― 5, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(altho thankfully he didn't - to my knowledge - cast any white guys in lead roles as redeemers, saviors, etc. See "Mississippi Burning" and pretty much every other Hollywood film about black people and/or civil rights movement, slavery, etc.)

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― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I didn't say that Lebowski was all that, just that it was probably the Coens' best film.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

you think? i dunno, i think it's got too much totally weak shit in it to really qualify as best...

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Lebowski is funny, but honestly I have more trouble sitting through that than any of their previous films. I think their best is actually Hudsucker Proxy. Or Miller's Crossing. Gay gangster subtext pwnz.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

my favorite Coen film is O Brother Where Art Thou? but maybe i'm just nuts

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

honestly for me lebowski was their last gasp, everything after it i totally fucking hate

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I could only bring myself to see The Man Who Wasn't There and fuck all those film school kids who crowed about it, that was some dull, bad shit.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

so bad!! more like the MOVIE that wasn't there right right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

are "film school kids" supposed to be the corny indie fux of movie fandom or something??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"honestly for me lebowski was their last gasp, everything after it i totally fucking hate "

OTM. its been pretty much drivel ever since. tho O Brother has its moments (I enjoy Clooney's Clark Gable impression)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I have decided that when Aimless or Gear refer to "film school kids" they are talking about Shakey Mo and Morbius, since those are the people on this thread I would most like to see referred to derisively. Semantics in the eye of the reader.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I know this film school kid whose oft-recited top ten reads like the most predictable canon ever assembled. "Godfather, Taxi Driver, Searchers, Vertigo blah blah blah..."

the only good bit about TMWWT was Tony Shaloub.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

only thing I hate more than informed film snobs are uninformed ones, who shall never deviate from the AFI lists or Tarantino/Kevin Smith films!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i.e. most everyone I went to film school with (though admittedly they might be even worse, as I recall one time before class when everyone gushed about how awesome Clay Pigeons was)

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

can we turn this into a tony shaloub thread

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to admit when I walked into a coworker's friend's basement home theater room and he demonstrated his $4000 setup for us with Blade, referring to it unironically as the greatest film of all time, I probably overestimated his personality and strength of character.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I own the Blade DVD but it remains unopened, out of fear that I will diminish its trade-in value. I might keep Blade II though.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

blade is good! stop hating everything

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

to be fair Blade was the movie that taught me Stephen Dorffff was not the worst actor ever, it's just that he plays only one role ever.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah blade is awesome you maniacs

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

blade 2, did not care for.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Ron Perlman, you nut!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

it was lame, RP notwithstanding

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

to me, blade's thing of vampires-as-club-kids was totally more fun than blade 2's lame old vampires-as-goth/metal-losers

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I can understand that point.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The only discussions I ever see about Spielberg movies are whether or not they suck, quite frankly. If that's being thought provoking, well then hog tie me and call me ma'am, I'm fucking wrong about him not being thought provoking, but you people have a seriously warped idea of "thought provoking" if 8,000 internet discussions that boil down to "HE FUCKING SUCKS" "NO HE DOESN'T" "HELLO I AM CAPTAIN PICARD" etc are an actual qualification as to why a film could be considered "thought provoking."

A 200+ thread about how Minority Report's ending sucks /= the film explores deep, dramatic, adult issues in a refreshing and/or interesting manner.'

Blade is one of those movies I have seen all of, but not in the correct order or all at the same time, I am pretty sure.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody said Blade was bad!!! I was just saying that yeah the "film student" sheep parade made it seem so dope that somebody would call it the greatest film of all time and mean it! It was like I instantly assumed he would have another 24 films underneath it rounding out a selection of strangely brilliant but often disregarded/overlooked films and that he would be cool to talk to about movies, but he actually turned out to just be a Crutchfield gearhead with a modicum of interest in well-executed screen violence.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the reason why Steve Spielberg annoys me as much as he does isn't because most of his movies actively suck, most are passable, fine, whatever. It's that most of them have the potential to be great movies, brilliant movies, fantastic movies, best movie ever type movies if anyone, ANYONE AT ALL, else directed them! I mean, like, maybe even Pauly Shore could be more subtle. He's got the biggest hamfists in the industry and I can't get past the over-obvious, Hallmark-movie-of-the-week emotional jizz he wants to bukkake his stories with.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember the aforementioned film school douchebag laughed at me when I said Sergio Leone was a slightly better director than Stanley Kubrick and that Repo Man was better than Raging Bull ("Impossible! That's the Best Film Of The Eighties!").

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I still maintain that Sugarland Express is Stephen Steilverb's (sic) best film.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU LIE LIKE A KITE NO ONE SAID THAT THING ABOUT THE EIGHTIES!!!!! :O

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

A BOLD PROCLAMATION I REALIZE

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

THAT'S NOT EVEN SCORCESE'S BEST FILM FROM THE 80S!!! I WILL HURT THAT PERSON.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate this thread!!!!!!

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I also maintain that Matrin Scorsaysay (sic) is one of the most overrated directors ever. And that Bringing Out The Dead is his best film.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

oooh... you go you grate big contrarian you.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

you are very bold, congratulations

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― derrek j. ballwash, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Trust me, it's not for the sake of being contrary. I would love to see what the rest of the world sees in Raging Bull and Taxi Driver, but they don't really do much for me. Scorsese often seems a little too wrapped up in potential accolades to let himself go and make entertaining/involving films.

To bring the topic back 'round, though, Spielberg & Scorsese together might make an interesting movie.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Black man named Spike Lee makes Malcolm X = high-school filmstrip

Allyzay, you have hit it on idiot-male 'debates' on the internets! However, you're still all wet on equating Spielberg with run-of-the-mill schmaltz. (at least post-Color Purple, that was a mistake)

I'm glad you guys hate S.S. given the snarky twaddle you like tho. "Schindler's List" has more intentional laughs than several Coen films.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

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