I just finished book #10 of Robert Jordan's stupid series.

The set-up for the impending Mat + Thom + ???? mission actually shook me up! Robert Jordan in surprising "fans" shocker.`

Tim Finney, do you mean Aviendha?

Characters I would enjoy an entire book dedicated to, leaving out all the random baddies and randomer "impressively bosom"ed Aes Sedai: Mat, Loial, Lan, Nynaeve, and more Mat again. And then, at the very end, Rand could go all Lews Therin and kill everyone except his hippie girlfriend with the visions.

So awesome.

Galina's denouement was surprisingly quick (insofar as I expected she would do more damage to Faile and co.) but much better handled - her trundling off to the Aiel Waste with Therava, answering to "Little Lina", was perfect. I suspect the next book will be filled with little endings like this.

and The Golden Crane flies again - i actually really liked nynaeve's trick on Lan coz you can see in the future Lan's ride being stuff of legend but also answers the question of why would someone choose to do that kind of long distabce ride - answer - sneaky wife

Egwene was excellent here, The Mother

incidentally, Time also read New Spring and high lesbian quotient in that too, pillow friends abound in the Accepted, Siuan and Moiraine being the slight shocker

Given the number of women there would appear to be in the White Tower and that for some of their training period girls are in the hormone-rush years, I would argue that sheer frustration (combined with a need for some measure of affection and emotional support) would lead many along that path.

Presumably Egwene and Elayne didn't have enough time to investigate this aspect of their White Tower novicehood. But then Elayne/Aviendha kinda veers dangerously close. And what about the repressed erotic content vis a vis Egwene/Arangar?

http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.html

So, what did you folks think when you heard he died before finishing the last book?

I thought, "I'm glad I stopped reading those books years ago or I might be really upset, having invested so much time and energy into keeping track of all these annoying characters."

glad this thread has popped back up to the top of the new answers page, because i was just thinking the other day how sad it would be if george r r martin died before finishing HIS epic fantasy series. all said though, RIP RJ, you kept me entertained for most of middle school.

I first read that as "What did you fools..."

i started rereading these 4 a job and got pretty into them again tbh

could right so much about how rad they are but fukk the h8rs

for a JOB?

theyre making some video games based on them due to the movie cummin out

that is pretty intense.
i had no idea abt a movie.
what did the people on rec.arts.sf.written.rober-jordan think of all this? they had this epic FAQ i would read whenever i got confused about plot points, back in the day.

I gotta say I actually got chills at the end of book 9, something I thought this series couldn't do to me any longer.

It's also much easier to keep track of the bazillions of characters when you read them one right after the other.

if i had the first book i would start a re-read. think they're all in a box at my mom's house. library IS around the corner tho.

http://steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.6_asmo.html

i ended up buying some of the hardbacks i was missing for really cheap - like $6 at most. found a couple @ goodwill for $2

yah HI DERE otm book 9 is probably one of the best in the series and book 11 is pretty dope too. book 10 is a real travesty. and reading them all back to back changes your opinion for sure. i remember common wisdom is that series really fell off but i dont think thats true anymore it just that 3 years waiting kind of kills it

book 10 is a real travesty

this kind of can't be overstated; 10 is terrible water-treading where people get shuffled slowly into place in the most uninteresting ways possible and is only redeemed by the surging ball of awesome that is book 11

what about the mediocrity of books 7&8? Those kill the series for me usually. i've gotten to book 10 once or twice maybe but never finished it.

i liked book 8! seven is kind of a mess but at least its (relatively) short for me book 6 is the breaking point. in my one reread prior to this i stopped there just couldnt get through the fukken elyane and nynaeve zzzzz sections. actually all the sections get really tedious in the middle of that one

lol i now remember all the stupid fukken names of the 1.7 million characters

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I can get through 7 & 8, although IIRC those are the ones where Jordan revels just a little too much in having his female characters breathlessly declare their innermost thoughts to each other while sharing baths. (Maybe that's in 6? I don't remember now.)

I gotta say, I love love love the Egwene subplot. She's just a total badass.

i never really liked her character until basically book 11 which i wont spoil for ian but basically proves that shes the sickest chick in the series

I dunno, the entire thing where the rebels try to use her and she's like, "um, let me think about that... NO" is also pretty bad-ass.

ian do u have the wot ccg???? i would love to play it

hi dere - yeah but all the rebels are kind of such saps imo that it doesnt seem that cool. also shes continually getting sonned by that reincarnated forsaken so it kind of lessens her radness

i bought a few starters & packs of the wot ccg when it first came out, and they might still be around my mom's place somewhere... but i remember it being really convoluted and weird.

also dudes, feel free to spoil away.

* Padan Fain becomes a Darkfriend forty years ago. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Because he covers the Two Rivers area, Fain is chosen to be the Dark One's hound to search for the Dragon Reborn. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Padan Fain arrives in Emond's Field. (TEotW,Ch2)
* He enters Emond's Field and tells everyone about the news of the world. The Village Council asks him to step inside the Winespring Inn. (TEotW,Ch3)
* In the Trolloc attack, Fain's wagon is burned and he disappears. (TEotW,Ch7)
* The Fade forces Fain to accompany him and the Trollocs after the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Rand runs into Fain in Baerlon and tells him they are staying at the Stag and Lion. (TEotW,Ch15)
* Fain frees himself of the Fade but is still forced to follow the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain enters Shadar Logoth and encounters Mordeth. They merge, forming something more evil and powerful than either. (TGH,Ch49)
* Fain heads to Caemlyn after the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain sees Rand in Caemlyn and tries to chase him. (TEotW,Ch39)
* Fain follows the boys through the Ways. He encounters Machin Shin, but the Black Wind leaves him alone. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain is brought before Moiraine and Agelmar after being caught trying to sneak in to Fal Dara. (TEotW,Ch46)
* Fain tells most of his story to Moiraine. He is held in the dungeon. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain is still being held in the dungeon. (TEotW,Ch53)
* Rand and Egwene visit Fain. He says he can feel Rand and that Mordeth knows more than all of you. (TGH,Ch3)
* Fain waits in the dark when Mat and Egwene come to visit. Ingtar and a Fade release Fain and he takes the ruby dagger from Mat. He learns of Toman Head from the Fade and decides to go there via the Waygate at Cairhien. (TGH,Ch5, Tor Q&A)
* Fain fights for control with the Fade and finally kills it, nailing it to a door. (TGH,Ch11)
* Fain wakes to find the Horn and the ruby dagger gone and is furious. He cannot sense Rand. Later, he can sense Rand again. He still feels compelled to hunt him and hates him for it. (TGH,Ch19)
* Fain's Darkfriends steal the Horn and the ruby dagger and set the Defender of the Dragonwall on fire. (TGH,Ch30)
* Fain takes the Horn and his followers through the Waygate to Toman Head after leaving a message for Rand with Barthanes. (TGH,Ch33)
* Leaving the Darkfriends and Trollocs in a nearby camp, Fain takes the chest to High Lord Turak in Falme. Turak opens the chest and confiscates the Horn and the ruby dagger. (TGH,Ch34)
* Fain sets himself up in style in Falme with fine clothes and a servant. (TGH,Ch42)
* Fain kills Turak's aide, Huan, for striking him. (TGH,Ch45)
* Padan Fain now calls himself Ordeith, which means Wormwood. He makes his way to Amador and into the good graces of Pedron Niall where he convinces him that the Two Rivers is a nest of Darkfriends. (TDR,Prologue)
* Ordeith leads fifty Whitecloaks to the Two Rivers and meets Dain Bornhald there. He intends to scour the Two Rivers so Rand will come to him. (TSR,Ch1)
* When Perrin's parents laugh at him, Fain murders the entire family. (TSR,Ch31)
* Fain has his own camp with his close followers. He also has a Fade prisoner. He knows one of the boys is to the south and that it is not Rand. (TSR,Ch31)
* Fain orchestrates a Trolloc attack that wipes out Taren Ferry but allows many to escape across the river carrying word of what is going on in the Two Rivers. (TSR,Ch45)
* Fain watches the defense of Emond's Field. Angry at the result, he plans to take his motley crew to Caemlyn, then Tar Valon. (TSR,Ch56)
* Fain meets with Elaida and talks about Rand. He notices the tension between her and Alviarin and relishes it. He wants both the Horn of Valere and the ruby dagger. (TFoH,Prologue)
* Fain retrieves the ruby dagger. Alviarin confronts him, but he convinces her that he is a high level Darkfriend. He quickly leaves the White Tower. (TFoH,Ch19)
* In Caemlyn, Fain sends some of his Whitecloaks to attack Rand as a test of his defenses. (LoC,Ch26)
* Fain and his pet Fade are staying with a Darkfriend family in Caemlyn. The son, Perwyn Belman brings him news that Rand was attacked by a Gray Man. Fain is furious because he wants Rand for himself. (LoC,Ch28)
* Fain is advisor to Toram Riatin in the Cairhien rebel camp. He now calls himself Jeraal Mordeth. Rand spots him, but he disappears into the crowd. (ACoS,Ch35)
* Fain jumps out of the fog, slices Rand with the ruby dagger and runs off laughing. (ACoS,Ch36)
* Fain brings Toram Riatin with him to Far Madding. (WH,Ch33)
* Fain arrives in Far Madding. He kills Kisman with the ruby dagger because he wants Rand for himself. (WH,Ch22)
* Fain sends a note to Rand telling him that Gedwyn and Torval are staying in a house on Blue Carp Street. (WH,Ch32)
* Fain kills Gedwyn and Torval then attacks Rand. He uses new powers to create an Illusion, but Rand slashes him with his sword. Fain flees. (WH,Ch33)

yeah im looking at it online i guess its oop now. tbh all ccg seem retardedly elaborate tho

you have said this before i think but srsly MTG is the non-complicated ccg and a barrel of fun.

i totally believe u guyz it just doesnt look uncomplicated from the outside

can we get back to talking about who killed asmodean and is moridin the reinarnation of ishamael and has rand had a menage with all his girlies yet

who killed asmodean

graendal

is moridin the reinarnation of ishamael

yes

has rand had a menage with all his girlies

yes oh yes 1000 times yes - he also got elyane pregnant

1. Graendel
2. Yes
3. Not directly, but when he knocks boots with one the others can sense it.

xp: dammit too slow, and yes forgot about the lolpregnancy

I mean seriously, why is the wackest one pregnant?