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ddrake have you ever actually heard one of these 'hip-hop records' you're talking about?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link

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― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link

I'm curious why that Baraka poem would have John wanting dismiss EVERYTHING else Jones/Baraka wrote. I seem to remember the WTC being a pretty powerful piece (although that line about 4,000 Jews not going to work at WTC that day was very unfortunate--and his subsequent refusal to acknowledge that it was untrue was pretty pathetic). That made me pretty irritated (and I could see why it would make a lot folks downright angry) but it DIDN'T even make forget the point of the rest of the piece (let alone want to deny everything else the guy ever wrote had validity).

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 17 November 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link

wooster tell us more about how emulating forty, fifty, sixty,... year old tropes is 'progress'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link

You deny that possibility for the rest of us...

So argue with me about it rather than personally insulting a talking head on the internet.

ddrake has yet to respond to what anyone actually said (as opposed to what he'd like to pretend they said)

What?!

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link

wooster tell us more about how emulating forty, fifty, sixty,... year old tropes is 'progress'

Dude what the fuck are you talking about? Have you been paying attention to what I've said at all?

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link

they teach dodgeball at wooster ddrake?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link

wow, i wanna play mario 3 now

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

Did you guys actually read the original question? I don't recall only putting emphasis on "white" music. Only one of the four ideas had anything to do with "dead white guys". Seriously, read carefully before you comment. Instead of projecting your own weird assumptions into my post, try actually reading it.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

also what wooster class is it where they tell you emulating forty year old (or older) musical tropes is 'progress'?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

also what wooster class is it where they tell you emulating forty year old (or older) musical tropes is 'progress'?

Is this some sort of joke?

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

ddrake could you provide specific examples of what it is in the music you find lacking? (ie. at least go thru the motions of making an argument 'relevant' to this thread)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

So argue with me about it rather than personally insulting a talking head on the internet.

http://www.persil.co.uk/images/in/images2/ironing.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

Cinniblount, reread the thread before you say another thing.
Take note of which side you are arguing with.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

it's not a joke ddrake - what class is it where they tell you emulating the past is progress?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

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― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

haha - which "side"???? so wait - is this an ACTUAL game of dodgeball?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

was it geology ddrake?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

Here were the two things that kicked off my involvement with this thread, cinniblount.

1. My contention that "Extended songs, with long organic instrumental sections" were not in fact progressive and were in fact REgressive.

2. My intentionally provacative comment that this was a "white" perspective.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.pcusa.org/today/images/cover/0902/wooster.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link

This was followed by the bully on the playground scene.

The flagpoll! 12:05 AM EST!

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

is 'intentionally provocative' (note spelling) supposed to be a good thing? shouldn't there be a general rule that people shouldn't pretend aesthetics older than themselves are 'progressive' or 'new'?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

ddrake does wooster have a college radio station?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/keithpiad.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

surreal

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

This thread has actually prompted me to listen to The Infamous. Aw, there, see ddrake, aren't you happy now? Oh tell me you are happy! I cannot live without your approval!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

well Alex I am pretty reactionary in that way, it is a personal failing of mine

I'll concede the poem to be "powerful," but I've always had a weakness for Baraka's style - this weakness is I suspect is in fact related to my tendency to say things like "oh, if he wrote that, then fuck 'im." It's here: http://www.amiribaraka.com/blew.html

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

I am beginning to doubt ddrake actually goes to wooster

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you for correcting my spelling.
You guys can be some real bitches.
Forget a "discussion," lets gang up on the kid who disagrees with us/challenges the hive mind.
What 40 year old aesthetic am I considering progressive?

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

"bitches" - how progressive!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

Ned Raggett here to pound my puny internerd-ego again! WOOOHOOO!

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

raggett smash

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

David, what does being a "liason to recyclers" actually involve?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/Sch5.gif

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

lets gang up on the kid who disagrees with us/challenges the hive mind

Oh, you're not Geir, you're Doompatrol! Makes sense now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Well, its been fun gentlemen.
I'm sorry I'm not conforming to yr opinions.

I should have just posted "Anticon" and run away.

damn.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't you have homework to do anyway? Please, pursue your education.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Would hip-hop being taken to new levels involve playing the cornet, David?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

fight the power ddrake! (the power = geology ta)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/owned-roadkill.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:12 (twenty years ago) link

Ned- he's not even decided his major yet!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

ok I gotta go to bed - everybody pls. hearken to Nihilist Pop Star as he is a total genius

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

YES! Nihilist rules herein. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:14 (twenty years ago) link

God, I seriously don't think i'll ever post here again. I get more useful responses out of users on average metal music boards- anbd that's saying a lot. Or maybe I'll just stick to more obscure shit in the future instead of bringing up some contentious topic that everyone has a pre-formulated opinion on. For those of you who posted, or are going to post actual answers, thanks. I'll check out the artists and associations you mentioned.

I'll leave the circus now. :-)

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:15 (twenty years ago) link

How long have you been playing the cornet David, anyway? Shouldn't you have chosen a blacker musical instrument to play, anyway?

(Oh, and, yes, God bless the Nihilist)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, this shit is all in good fun and everything, but looking up my personal information on the internet is pretty fucking low.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:17 (twenty years ago) link

You'd prefer mindreading? I mean, sure, you're so great at it and all...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:19 (twenty years ago) link

Hey ned.
And I'm serious here...

fuck you.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

I'm glad to see this thread has descended into cyberstalking.

Who wants to join my Friendster web?

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

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― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

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